FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Old Indian]

Let me interupt this discussion to rip into "Stealth."

For the past several days "Stealth" has been suggesting that I would correct the typos of other posters.

I am not that petty.  But you opened the door to the criticism.

In post #10076 you criticized "retaqent" for making a grammatical error in an earlier post (Post #10012).  

But in making this criticism you made a spelling error.  Not just any spelling error.  You actually spelled the word "grammar" wrong!

That's the ultimate in hypocrisy and why I called you a moron. You moron!

Sorry for wasting everybody else's time.  

But Stealth, seriously, you're a moron.  

[02 Warhawk]

not to change the subject, but i was just thinking of a big "What If....."

(sorry if this was previously discussed, I'm new to D3message board)

What if Stan Zweifel didn't get turned down the UWW head coaching job when Berezowitz retired. Would that mean that his son Michael would of came to UWW instead of RF, and played for his dad? It makes since. Can you image that three-headed monster: Jones, Beaver and Zweifel??? dang....

[Warhawk 96]

well usually oshkosh's defense is ranked like #2 or #3 after whitewater, so lets see how beaver has done against a defense that is close to being as good as whitewater's (but actually, not really near as good...).  in 2005, stanley averaged 5.7 yards per carry and had 24 tds on the year.  against oshkosh that year he had an average of 4.7 yards per carry and didnt score.  but then again, he didnt need to - whitewater had jim leszczynski and derrick stanley.  in 2006, stanley averaged 5.1 yards per carry.  against oshkosh he averaged 5.0 yards per carry, 218 yards on 43 attempts.  however, if you take away his only big play (97 yard touchdown run) the average comes out to 2.9 yards per carry.  didnt really matter though, whitewater still had derrick stanley!  so far in 2007, 5.4 yards per carry.  against uwo, 5.1.  take away the 2 big rushes for a total of 50 yards hes back down around 3.9.  what im trying to get at is that moriarty does poor against great defenses like beaver does poor against decent defenses (i think if we looked at his numbers against mt union we'd all share a laugh).  the only difference between beaver is the caliber of the team.  if beaver has a poor game on the ground, throw it to leszczynski or stanley.  if moriarty has a poor game, throw it to - oh ya, uwo doesnt have anyone to throw to.  as far as an offensive line, i think beaver wins there too - not to mention that one out of every 4 of moriarty's carries is called back because of holding...    they are both great backs and are comparable, but moriarty has had to work with a lot less than beaver, hands down.

We really are comparing apples to oranges here.

Moriarity is the type of back who falls forward and consistently gets 3 yards per carry. A Bruiser guy so to speak who can run through arm tackles. He does not however have the break away speed to outrun a defense to hit the "home run" but he will give you good yardage from down to down. He may struggle a bit when facing competition that is bigger and stronger than him.

Beaver is a speed back. Has very good quickness and vision and will make several different people miss to gain his yardage. He can stop and go on a dime like no one I've seen at this level. He has the break away speed to hit the occasional homerun, however may struggle at times against faster defenses.

With that being said, it's not at all fair to take away a "90 yard run" because that's part of the reason why he's good, he can go for 90 yards and outrun the defense. That would be like if we sat here and said, "well Mo averaged 4 yards per carry but his longest run was only 8 yards."

Who you would prefer is all dependent on what type of runner you like. I like speed. Speed is more rare than size is. You can put size on a speedy guy fairly easily but it is HARD to put speed in someone unless you find a way to transplant the fast twitch muscle fibers. With that being said, I guess you guys love a bigger back who will break tackles and rumble for 3.5 yards every time and we like our fast back who makes explosive plays and makes people miss tackles by juking them.

[Just Bill]

Wake me up when this discussion is over.  Thanks.

[02 Warhawk]

i agree Just Bill

[UWOTITAN]

I COMPLETELY AGREE WITH YOU UWOTITAN!! 

Of course you would

Winning a rushing title for a 3-3 team might be a feather in his cap, but it doesn't win MVP awards in my book.

On second thought, maybe RF should give Oshkosh a huge, insurmountable early lead, so Oshkosh coaches have no choice but to take him out before he has a chance to roll up record breaking rushing attempts and yards.  Oops!! These are the kind of games he gets the majority of his yards...oh, forget that thought. 

You better check your facts on this one bro.  The top five rushing games Moriarty has amounted have come against conference opponents. I think you should look into the last time Oshkosh had an "insurmountable lead" against anyone.  This is a team that must scratch and claw to win every game. They do not have the talent of a Whitewater team.  This team lives and dies by Moriarty.  When he gets the rock, they win.  When the run game is not working, game over. Case in point, Whitewater the past two years. If you need proof look at UWO's passing stats the past four games. Another note, Beaver should feel fortunate he has not had to go against the UWW D the past 4 years. For if he had, he would have gotten nowhere.  Bottom line, The Whitewater D over the past 4 years has been the best the WIAC has ever seen.

He did have 150 yards against Huntingdon which I think is his fourth most this season.......so top three were Point, Eau Claire, and Platteville. You are right that the Whitewater D is good and Beaver didn't have to go against that in a game. St. Cloud State and Mary Hardin Baylor also had good defenses that he did go against. Oshkosh's defense is better than you Oshkosh supporters are making them out to be. They are a tenth of a yard average away from being number 2 in the conference so I think your point is kind of moot.

Don't take the joke out of the yardage and blow up into something that it's not. I thought we were adults and can understand that just because someone says something, that it doesn't mean that it's going to happen.

If you look back at that Huntingdon game, he only played in one half.  In fact, it was his freshman backup  Jeremy Roach that won player of the week that week. I never said that Mo was better than Beaver.  Beaver's numbers speak for themselves. But to say that Moriarty gained all of his yards in mop up duty is simply ignorant.

[OzJohnnie]

Wow, you're drawing a comparison between a game in 2000 and games in 2005-2006?  That Stout team was tough.  The Johnnies that year were quite a bit better than the 2005 and 2006 Johnnies, in my opinion, at least.

Not that you had anything to do with it

[warhawkexpress28]

well usually oshkosh's defense is ranked like #2 or #3 after whitewater, so lets see how beaver has done against a defense that is close to being as good as whitewater's (but actually, not really near as good...).  in 2005, stanley averaged 5.7 yards per carry and had 24 tds on the year.  against oshkosh that year he had an average of 4.7 yards per carry and didnt score.  but then again, he didnt need to - whitewater had jim leszczynski and derrick stanley.  in 2006, stanley averaged 5.1 yards per carry.  against oshkosh he averaged 5.0 yards per carry, 218 yards on 43 attempts.  however, if you take away his only big play (97 yard touchdown run) the average comes out to 2.9 yards per carry.  didnt really matter though, whitewater still had derrick stanley!  so far in 2007, 5.4 yards per carry.  against uwo, 5.1.  take away the 2 big rushes for a total of 50 yards hes back down around 3.9.  what im trying to get at is that moriarty does poor against great defenses like beaver does poor against decent defenses (i think if we looked at his numbers against mt union we'd all share a laugh).  the only difference between beaver is the caliber of the team.  if beaver has a poor game on the ground, throw it to leszczynski or stanley.  if moriarty has a poor game, throw it to - oh ya, uwo doesnt have anyone to throw to.  as far as an offensive line, i think beaver wins there too - not to mention that one out of every 4 of moriarty's carries is called back because of holding...    they are both great backs and are comparable, but moriarty has had to work with a lot less than beaver, hands down.

We really are comparing apples to oranges here.

Moriarity is the type of back who falls forward and consistently gets 3 yards per carry. A Bruiser guy so to speak who can run through arm tackles. He does not however have the break away speed to outrun a defense to hit the "home run" but he will give you good yardage from down to down. He may struggle a bit when facing competition that is bigger and stronger than him.

Beaver is a speed back. Has very good quickness and vision and will make several different people miss to gain his yardage. He can stop and go on a dime like no one I've seen at this level. He has the break away speed to hit the occasional homerun, however may struggle at times against faster defenses.

With that being said, it's not at all fair to take away a "90 yard run" because that's part of the reason why he's good, he can go for 90 yards and outrun the defense. That would be like if we sat here and said, "well Mo averaged 4 yards per carry but his longest run was only 8 yards."

Who you would prefer is all dependent on what type of runner you like. I like speed. Speed is more rare than size is. You can put size on a speedy guy fairly easily but it is HARD to put speed in someone unless you find a way to transplant the fast twitch muscle fibers. With that being said, I guess you guys love a bigger back who will break tackles and rumble for 3.5 yards every time and we like our fast back who makes explosive plays and makes people miss tackles by juking them.

Can we please stop talking about this, there are so many good things about both backs, if you put either one on the other team I dont think they would be as productive as they are now.. Mo wouldnt put up Beaver numbers in WW and Beaver wouldnt put up Mo numbers in Osh, different running styles and different offensive styles

[stealth]

Looks like you got all of the punctuation and grammar right so I'll move on. It is much more fun watching the who's the better RB string than partaking in such nonsence with you any longer. Your no fun to play with.
Two things for sure are there are some serious football knowledgeable and passionate folks in the WIAC and you are the grumpy old man they have made you out to be. I apologize for getting you "off your porch"
I do a have another question for the gang. Who would be considered the best blocking back/full back. There are some damn good ones in the WIAC but they don't get allot of attention. Sorry to shift a little but really am interested in your thoughts. Thx

Let me interupt this discussion to rip into "Stealth."

For the past several days "Stealth" has been suggesting that I would correct the typos of other posters.

I am not that petty.  But you opened the door to the criticism.

In post #10076 you criticized "retaqent" for making a grammatical error in an earlier post (Post #10012).  

But in making this criticism you made a spelling error.  Not just any spelling error.  You actually spelled the word "grammar" wrong!

That's the ultimate in hypocrisy and why I called you a moron. You moron!

Sorry for wasting everybody else's time.  

But Stealth, seriously, you're a moron.  

[DuffMan]

Wow, you're drawing a comparison between a game in 2000 and games in 2005-2006?  That Stout team was tough.  The Johnnies that year were quite a bit better than the 2005 and 2006 Johnnies, in my opinion, at least.

Not that you had anything to do with it

I was a "sideliner" that year

[Sakman 1111]

Duffman...What is your predicted score on Bethel vs. Johniies?.......

[Sakman 1111]

Sorry......Before I am chastised....Johnnies.....

[OzJohnnie]

Can we please stop talking about this, there are so many good things about both backs, if you put either one on the other team I dont think they would be as productive as they are now.. Mo wouldnt put up Beaver numbers in WW and Beaver wouldnt put up Mo numbers in Osh, different running styles and different offensive styles

No, this is really interesting.  Keep it up.  I wonder if the players are thinking about post-season honors as much as the fan base.

[retagent]

Just for grins............ If you don't know it, you can click "modify" on your post after you post it. Read it over and edit. I don't think I ever make a post without some typographical  or spelling error. On second thought, it gives someone a petty way to criticize another's post. How do I know this, you might ask? I've been petty so often, I can't remember them all.

[KitchenSink]

Sak, I kind of like Johniies.

It looks like you should say it JOHN - AYE - EEEEZ.

Gives it a little more pizzazz.