FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[badgerwarhawk]

I wonder if they let guys go straight to the pro's from HS what this kid would do in the league. 

Maybe I'm completely misunderstanding what your point is but are you suggesting that MZ is capable of playing in the NFL straight out of high school because he's put up such impressive numbers at RF?  No offense intended but if you are that is simply absurd.  At his size he would never get off the line of scrimmage and risk death or serious injury if he did manage to get downfield.  I seriously doubt he has NFL speed either.  Regardless of how impressive he has been at RF.

I thought that at first too, but then I decided he had to be talking about the D-I kid.

Was totally refering to the texas tech kid!  No chance on MZ getting that chance, but after 4 years of some stats like that and another 25 pounds and a fast 40 time, who knows.

With Pete Schmidt and Stanley and the boys from stout getting looks to the NFL last year, I really think that helps AJ's chance.   He's a stud and will put up some really good combine numbers so best of luck to him.  I hope LL and the UWW staff are doing everything they can to get his name to these NFL teams.   

My bad, Jimmy.  I obviously misunderstood what you meant.  MZ is a great kid and I wish nothing but the best of luck in his future and if that future happened to include professional football it would be way, way cool.   8)  8)

[Barber Greene]

OK, I know the Warhawks are a smash-mouth offense but do they have any trick or misdirection plays in their arsenal....a reverse, flea flicker, half-back pass, or something to keep the defense a little less focused on Beaver...how about just handing the ball off to the receiver a couple of times a game when the receiver comes around through the backfield on that play when they hand the ball to Beaver up the middle?

What is up with Matt Gifford? He seems to have disappeared from the play book...After his performance at La Crosse I thought he would be getting the ball more (yes, I know he was hurt for a couple of games after La Crosse)

Let me add an edit....I thought the planned runs by Jones against Capital were a great new wrinkle to the offense that the opposing defense has to worry about

[jimmyl7]

I wonder if they let guys go straight to the pro's from HS what this kid would do in the league. 

Maybe I'm completely misunderstanding what your point is but are you suggesting that MZ is capable of playing in the NFL straight out of high school because he's put up such impressive numbers at RF?  No offense intended but if you are that is simply absurd.  At his size he would never get off the line of scrimmage and risk death or serious injury if he did manage to get downfield.  I seriously doubt he has NFL speed either.  Regardless of how impressive he has been at RF.

I thought that at first too, but then I decided he had to be talking about the D-I kid.

Was totally refering to the texas tech kid!  No chance on MZ getting that chance, but after 4 years of some stats like that and another 25 pounds and a fast 40 time, who knows.

With Pete Schmidt and Stanley and the boys from stout getting looks to the NFL last year, I really think that helps AJ's chance.   He's a stud and will put up some really good combine numbers so best of luck to him.  I hope LL and the UWW staff are doing everything they can to get his name to these NFL teams.   

My bad, Jimmy.  I obviously misunderstood what you meant.  MZ is a great kid and I wish nothing but the best of luck in his future and if that future happened to include professional football it would be way, way cool.   8)  8)

No problem, I probably should of expanded my thought but I'm polish so I get away with one or two dumb things. 

[OzJohnnie]

Ok, I'm stumped. Enlighten us. Oh maybe you mean the ass whippin that the Hawks would bestow upon your Johnnies if the stars get aligned.

Many of them have tasted the bitter pill of defeat in the big game and do not want thier legacy to be "Been there 3 times and nothing to show for it"

Of course, there are two ways to avoid this.  One, as you intimated, is to win the big game.  The other?  I'll let you think about it and see if it comes to you.

Really?  You're stumped?  OK.  First way to avoid being the Buffalo Bills of the Stagg is to win the game.  Second is to fail to make it in the first place.  I think UWW has option two written all over this season.

[02 Warhawk]

OK, I know the Warhawks are a smash-mouth offense but do they have any trick or misdirection plays in their arsenal....a reverse, flea flicker, half-back pass, or something to keep the defense a little less focused on Beaver...how about just handing the ball off to the receiver a couple of times a game when the receiver comes around through the backfield on that play when they hand the ball to Beaver up the middle?

What is up with Matt Gifford? He seems to have disappeared from the play book...After his performance at La Crosse I thought he would be getting the ball more (yes, I know he was hurt for a couple of games after La Crosse)

Let me add an edit....I thought the planned runs by Jones against Capital were a great new wrinkle to the offense that the opposing defense has to worry about

From what i've seen, Whitewater doesn't run too much trick plays. Maybe an option everyone once in awhile, but that's it. Their offense is preaty much straight forward. With the offense line they have, they don't need to outsmart the opposition, they win the battle in the trenches, hence Beaver's rushing numbers.

they basically keep things simple and it seems to be working. play-action works well, drawing the defense in, opening up passing lanes down field.  

so i'm not sure if there's a need to go Boise State out there, but I see your point though.

[Sakman 1111]

Have to agree with 02 on trick plays. Over the last 6 years I have been at almost every game(missed a couple away games this year)but I don't remember a trick play but 07 would know better. I know they used to have them in the offense but never used them. The trickiest we got was the tight end screen or that horrible reverse on kickoffs that got somewhat overdone. I have taken too many blows to the head so I could have forgotten one or two.....

[dawarhawksrock]

Sakman is right UWW doesn't run many trick plays. Everyonce in a while coach Zwould put a reverse pass in the scouting report. In 2004 against UWEC good old # 7 threw a reverse pass because of roughing the passer. Thats the only trick play I remember them ever running. Besides the way over done fake reverse/reverse kickoff return.
But trick plays at UWW are not a thing they do. Like it has been said "Trick plays don't win football games. Good sound fundamentals do. I guess UW-Whitewater relies on the second of the two whic results in winning more games,and that will hopefully include the bog one in Virginia this year.
Pound the rock GO Warhawks.

[stealth]

OddJohnnie,
Ok I'm not stumped anymore. Thanks for the drive by the enlightened one.

Ok, I'm stumped. Enlighten us. Oh maybe you mean the ass whippin that the Hawks would bestow upon your Johnnies if the stars get aligned.

Many of them have tasted the bitter pill of defeat in the big game and do not want thier legacy to be "Been there 3 times and nothing to show for it"

Of course, there are two ways to avoid this.  One, as you intimated, is to win the big game.  The other?  I'll let you think about it and see if it comes to you.

Really?  You're stumped?  OK.  First way to avoid being the Buffalo Bills of the Stagg is to win the game.  Second is to fail to make it in the first place.  I think UWW has option two written all over this season.

[Old School G]

When is the Griz play gonna be on youtube?  Somebody's got to do it. 

[stealth]

I don't have the stats at hand but I would think that at any level of football that trick/gadget plays have a success rate of less than 30%. Maybe a couple of different screens every once in a while would be a good idea. Safe play and getting Beaver in open space should result in positive yardage.

Sakman is right UWW doesn't run many trick plays. Everyonce in a while coach Zwould put a reverse pass in the scouting report. In 2004 against UWEC good old # 7 threw a reverse pass because of roughing the passer. Thats the only trick play I remember them ever running. Besides the way over done fake reverse/reverse kickoff return.
But trick plays at UWW are not a thing they do. Like it has been said "Trick plays don't win football games. Good sound fundamentals do. I guess UW-Whitewater relies on the second of the two whic results in winning more games,and that will hopefully include the bog one in Virginia this year.
Pound the rock GO Warhawks.

[footballfan413]

Nice to see the Capital coach give credit for turnovers to the defense and not attibuting it to his O's bad day."
   Hawks D was awesome again! 
           From warhawkfootball.com:
11/18/2007  Defense shines on a gloomy day at Perkins Stadium 
     UW-Whitewater's offense has gotten plenty of headlines, and deserving so, over the Warhawks' amazing three year run.  In a couple of high-focus games this season, UW-W's opponent's defenses have arrived at Perkins Stadium boasting tremendous statistics that ranked at the very top of NCAA Division III. In both cases, against Mary Hardin-Baylor and Capital University, it has been the Warhawk defense that has played the dominating, ball-hawking defense that led to impressive wins.  In Saturday's 34-14 Warhawk win, Borland's defense limited the Crusaders to just 227 yards of offense including only 32 yards rushing on 27 attempts.  Senior linebacker AJ Raebel paced the Warhawk defense by recording 12 tackles, including 8 solo stops, to move into first place in the school record book. Raebel added a forced fumble and a sack in the first round playoff win.  (In the adjacent photo, AJ Raebel (#33) records one of his 12 tackles against Capital on the way to establishing a new career record for tackles passing Jim Walters 320 career tackles (1970-73)- photo courtesy of Jeff Seisser, Daily Jefferson County Union)  The Warhawks' defense also forced five turnovers in the game including three interception (two by Ben Farley and one by Tristan Borzick). Ryan Ogrizovich and Nic Romeo also came up with fumble recoveries in the game. Ogrizovich turned his fumble recovery into a key touchdown on the first play of the fourth quarter to give Whitewater a 27-14 lead.

"Turnovers were killers," commented Capital head coach Jim Collins following last Saturday's game. "They (Whitewater) are a defense that we knew could force turnovers, and they did."

[retagent]

OK, I'll use your logic then. St John's has a very good record against the WIAC, Bethel beat St John's. You can see where I'm heading. The same brick wall you will hit first. In the end, each team is to be judged individually, not as part of a whole.

[dawarhawksrock]

Stealth, that sounds about right also very rarely do you see good teams run trick plays. In the four times UWW has played Mount Union I have not seen the Purple Raiders run a trick play.
Whitewater did try a reverse pass last year in the stagg bowl butt just like the rest of their offense that day it didn't work. I am not sure who threw it Douglas or Stanley but it was incomplete.
Normally the teams who run trick plays are the ones who can not line up,and beat the teams they are playing. I do not consider a screen or a reverse a trick play. However a reverse pass, or flea flicker or something to that extent is totally a trick play.

[BoBo]

How 'bout faking a punt on a a 4th and inches and on a short field.  With Schebler not being able to kick FG's, it might not be such a bad play to keep a drive alive.  On the other hand, Croak is very good at the short punts landing inside the 10, having them hit and go sideways out of bounds.  Winning the field position battles seem to be a forte of the warhawks this year, especially recently.

[janesvilleflash]

Is Shebler going to be out the rest of the year? He is a BIG reason why I picked WW to go all the way.