FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Klopenhiemer]

Bobo

There is a peace offering.  I gave you your +k back.  That is my olive branch.  

BTW I am pretty hard to fire up, but I do like stiring the pot a little bit with unfounded ideas and erroroneous statements.  Its fun to watch reactions at times.  But all that is over for me on this board.  I will make positive contributions to the football talk.  

So in regards to my olive branch, take it lets have fun, do not and lets be enemies.  Either way works for me.  

[kubiack78]

Good God does it really matter who could have beaten who or who should have been been all all american  I don't think so.  5, 10, 20 years from now the only thing that anyone will remember will be that WW won the Nat. championship.  GIVE IT A F%^ING REST.... PLEASE

Good idea, Kubiak. Let's not talk football here on the D3 WIAC football message board site...

This forum isn't the place for UWEC fans - like myself, who were completely thrilled by the team's performance and proud of it -  to engage in a little friendly banter, to play the hypotheticals, what ifs, and shoulda beens games...

But by the same token, I guess then it's not a place for Warhawks fans, who felt slighted in the All-American polling, to rant, and whine, earlier, either... Or render opinions on who the all-time best conference players are, or what have you...

So let's just talk about ice fishing and Britney Spears instead...

Gee Bulk,  I guess you didn't get the memo.  Pat changed this to the Warhawk forum a couple of month ago.   I really dont mind arguing over who was the best or what team was the best but like I said before the all american teams are the opinion of a hand full of people  no one is ever completely happy.
The bitching just got quite old real fast. 

[wildcat11]

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[cawcdad]

Great job 11!!
That lick Beaver laid on the MUC DB was classic.

[Kira & Jaxon's Dad]

If it weren't so sad, it would almost be comical that in the wake of such a monumental and historic accomplishment with UWW beating the Goliath of D3 that there would be so much argument on this thread.  My guess is that the Warhawk players, that some on this thread feel were slighted by the AA selection comittee, are far more satisfied with winning the championship than they are upset with the fact that some comittee failed to name them as an All American.  Debating the hypothetical is an exercise in futility.

As a sidenote, has anyone else been on the OAC forum and seen the ongoing P and moan session going on about what many MU fans are calling an illegal push of Jones into the endzone by Beaver on their final score??  Interesting that they don't mention or acknowledge the fact that Kmic was aided on one of his TD runs( I believe it was the one halfway through the 3rd quarter) by a blatant hold that wasn't called.  Even the ESPN announcers remarked about it.  Bottom line is that UWW wins with or without the inconsistent calls by the refs.

Try stirring up the pot some more.  No one on the OAC board said that if that call was made, then MTU would win.   The main discussion is on if everyone likes or dislikes Vince Kehres, the coach complaining, and if that should have been called or not.  Get the facts straight before trying to get everyone up in a tizzy.

UWW won, we all agree that MTU was outplayed.  Enjoy the championship.

[janesvilleflash]

Hey! Let's get one thing clear. You can bitch all you want about getting slighted on the All America team, you can speculate as to "What If". Just be prepared to take some crap about it. Those who give that fecal blowback, should then be prepared to take the wrath of those who speculated, and whined in the first place, who then should expect more dung showers etc, etc, etc. That's the whole fun of being on here. In the end it all means very little, but we can still all have fun, and vent our own frustrations, give each other the bidness, and brag and needle. Them's the rules. Let's play.

+k for a week.

[Goal Line Stand]

If it weren't so sad, it would almost be comical that in the wake of such a monumental and historic accomplishment with UWW beating the Goliath of D3 that there would be so much argument on this thread.  My guess is that the Warhawk players, that some on this thread feel were slighted by the AA selection comittee, are far more satisfied with winning the championship than they are upset with the fact that some comittee failed to name them as an All American.  Debating the hypothetical is an exercise in futility.

As a sidenote, has anyone else been on the OAC forum and seen the ongoing P and moan session going on about what many MU fans are calling an illegal push of Jones into the endzone by Beaver on their final score??  Interesting that they don't mention or acknowledge the fact that Kmic was aided on one of his TD runs( I believe it was the one halfway through the 3rd quarter) by a blatant hold that wasn't called.  Even the ESPN announcers remarked about it.  Bottom line is that UWW wins with or without the inconsistent calls by the refs.

Try stirring up the pot some more.  No one on the OAC board said that if that call was made, then MTU would win.   The main discussion is on if everyone likes or dislikes Vince Kehres, the coach complaining, and if that should have been called or not.  Get the facts straight before trying to get everyone up in a tizzy.

UWW won, we all agree that MTU was outplayed.  Enjoy the championship.

Ya but, you got to admit, Oldhawk's got a great point.  Considered making it myself over there.  Both teams suffered the non calls and both teams benefited from at least one TD a piece because of it. 

[raiderfan1983]

If it weren't so sad, it would almost be comical that in the wake of such a monumental and historic accomplishment with UWW beating the Goliath of D3 that there would be so much argument on this thread.  My guess is that the Warhawk players, that some on this thread feel were slighted by the AA selection comittee, are far more satisfied with winning the championship than they are upset with the fact that some comittee failed to name them as an All American.  Debating the hypothetical is an exercise in futility.

As a sidenote, has anyone else been on the OAC forum and seen the ongoing P and moan session going on about what many MU fans are calling an illegal push of Jones into the endzone by Beaver on their final score??  Interesting that they don't mention or acknowledge the fact that Kmic was aided on one of his TD runs( I believe it was the one halfway through the 3rd quarter) by a blatant hold that wasn't called.  Even the ESPN announcers remarked about it.  Bottom line is that UWW wins with or without the inconsistent calls by the refs.

It seems that you either did not read the actual posts or are simply trying to fire up some fans by making it seem like MUC fans are saying they were cheated out of a championship.  If you look at the board, there hasn't been a post yet that claims Mount would've won the game had the illegal assist been called.  And yes, if you read the board, fans have recognized that there were numerous holding calls missed on both sides.  I believe one poster even asked if there was a single hold called all game.  The last part of this post is true and has been recognized over and over again on the OAC board.

UWW wins whether the penalty is called or not.  

Lastly, it's not MUC fans claiming that the push was illegal, it is the NCAA rule book that says the push is illegal.  A player cannot make contact with the ball carrier in an effort to advance his forward progress.  That is not the real issue on the OAC board, it was mainly brought up as part of the discussion about Vince Kehres losing it at the end of the game.

Just so I make myself very clear... UWW outplayed MUC on Saturday and UWW WINS THE GAME REGARDLESS OF THE PENALTY BEING CALLED OR NOT.

[CaptainKurt]

I watched the game several times, but I can't figure out why Vince Kehres is out on the field.  What argument was he making while he was out on the field?  Has he been a fixture in the MUC program for years or his he relatively new?

Can any of you MUC posters fill me in?

[raiderfan1983]

Vince came on the field because he saw what he thought was an illegal assist by one of the UWW backs.  From the stands, it looked like Justin Beaver, but I have not watched the replay of the game.  Vince thought that Davis was stopped and his forward progress was aided by a back.  He lost his cool and came onto the field.  From where I was sitting, it looked like an illegal assist, but that does not excuse his actions.

[raiderfan1983]

As far as his being a fixture at MUC, he is obviously the son of Larry Kehres and went to MUC.  I can't tell you how long he has been on staff, but he was made D-coordinator after the Monty left a couple years ago.

[CaptainKurt]

Thank you raiderfan1983. 

[footballfan413]

+karma, My Captain!      Hey, I won the overall pick em's.  If you had been in charge again this year, I'd have a nice bottle of Captain Morgan to share with you, Flash, and BDB and we could toast the 07 National Championship Warhawks together!   

[oldhawk]

If it weren't so sad, it would almost be comical that in the wake of such a monumental and historic accomplishment with UWW beating the Goliath of D3 that there would be so much argument on this thread.  My guess is that the Warhawk players, that some on this thread feel were slighted by the AA selection comittee, are far more satisfied with winning the championship than they are upset with the fact that some comittee failed to name them as an All American.  Debating the hypothetical is an exercise in futility.

As a sidenote, has anyone else been on the OAC forum and seen the ongoing P and moan session going on about what many MU fans are calling an illegal push of Jones into the endzone by Beaver on their final score??  Interesting that they don't mention or acknowledge the fact that Kmic was aided on one of his TD runs( I believe it was the one halfway through the 3rd quarter) by a blatant hold that wasn't called.  Even the ESPN announcers remarked about it.  Bottom line is that UWW wins with or without the inconsistent calls by the refs.

Try stirring up the pot some more.  No one on the OAC board said that if that call was made, then MTU would win.   The main discussion is on if everyone likes or dislikes Vince Kehres, the coach complaining, and if that should have been called or not.  Get the facts straight before trying to get everyone up in a tizzy.

UWW won, we all agree that MTU was outplayed.  Enjoy the championship.

Ya but, you got to admit, Oldhawk's got a great point.  Considered making it myself over there.  Both teams suffered the non calls and both teams benefited from at least one TD a piece because of it. 

Actually kirasdad and raiderfan1983 are 100% correct in their response to my original post from last night.  A bit of alcohol was talking there, hence, I have rightfully deleted my original post on this matter.

[badgerwarhawk]

Can anyone tell me the last time they saw an aiding and abetting the runner call made in a college game?  I can remember a few in high school but I honestly can not recall any in a college game. 

Interestingly that rule was created originally in response to the practice of a team picking up a runner and tossing him over the goal line twice in a game long ago.  I think the main reason it isn't called is that generally speaking it's the pile that is being pushed, not specifically the runner.   

Please note I said "generally" and am not referring to this incident specifically.