FB: Wisconsin Intercollegiate Athletic Conference

[Pat Coleman]

Yeah, man. CCIW's a joke. So is the OAC. And the MIAC. And the ASC.

Really, the number of conferences that limit rosters the way the WIAC does is very small.

That Carthage team you're referring to from 2005 wasn't exactly world-beaters. They were only 4-3 in conference. I mean, congrats on being better than them! Sheesh.

[Barber Greene]

Why would Whitewater want to schedule games against teams from a "joke" (according to some posters) conference (except maybe as a tuneup for conference play)?....as a fan I would rather see some elite programs come to Perkins during the regular season....teams like Mary Hardin Baylor, St. Johns, etc.  Perkins Stadium is the "big house" of DIII...let's bring in the big boys...

[footballfan413]

I only read one conference referred to as a joke on here and I agree, that is not the case. But in all fairness, Whitewater fans are much more familiar with opponents from the upper tier of the MIAC, OAC and ASC conferences.  And that would be the point.  As long as the upper tier WIAC programs continue to have open dates and have to travel South and to the West coast just to fill their non-conference schedule, a conference with teams as close as the CCIW, who will not schedule games with the WIAC will continue to hear this complaint.  They are far from a joke conference.  D-3football.com has ranked them very high, as a matter of fact, somewhere around 4th or 5th overall, I believe.  It was going on long before the Hawks dominance the last 3 years.  St. Noberts and Lakeland, programs from what is recognized as weaker conferences, have taken their turn at the plate and while they may have sustained a beat down, have earned respect from me for being willing to take on the challenge.  But having said that, I understand the motivation to duck the WIAC when a team must protect their loss record to have a shot at making the play-offs.  St. Norberts, for example, has dominated their conference for years and have enjoyed being the AQ so they had less at stake when they played Whitewater.  I understand why they duck, just gives me a chuckle when some of their supporters deny it.  The question was asked, "why not more WIAC/CCIW games," and my answer is still the same.  Because they won't pick up the phone. 

[BoBo]

Why would Whitewater want to schedule games against teams from a "joke" (according to some posters) conference (except maybe as a tuneup for conference play)?....as a fan I would rather see some elite programs come to Perkins during the regular season....teams like Mary Hardin Baylor, St. Johns, etc.  Perkins Stadium is the "big house" of DIII...let's bring in the big boys...

Barber Greene - I think it might be related to the proximity of the schools.  It will permit many more fans to travel to an away game then might be able to go on longer roadtrips to Texas or for example, to Washington State (Puget Sound) this year.

To me the "joke" reference is only because the CCIW schools in general and Carthage specifically, refuse to talk to WIAC schools about scheduling football games during the regular season.  Whitewater did have a nice, yet, one-sided series with Lakeland, but I haven't read anybody on here talking about Lakeland's conference in the same way as the CCIW, and it's probably a lot weaker top to bottom.  In a way, it's just sour grapes.  Complaining about it isn't really a worthy subject to be worrying about, IMO.

BTW, I always thought non-conference games were used as a tune-up for conference play.

[Barber Greene]

I certainly understand it is more difficult in DIII to schedule non-conference opponents because of the playoff implications ...in DI the BCS schools can give a school a half a million dollars or more to come to town for a beat down (e.g., Badgers and Cal Poly)

[footballfan413]

You'll have to try to get a Carthage guy if you want more info - I've already told you as much as I know!  I believe the president thinks that publics have an unfair advantage in recruiting (tuition), but check with more knowledgable folks.
Carthage DID originally exist in west-central Illinois, but since the move was over 40 years ago, I can't really explain their preference for Chicagoland players rather than Wisky.

This one never flies with me.  Having been through the recruiting process years ago, there was plenty of, "academic money, wink-wink," thrown around by the private schools cutting their list price, (as much as half in some instances.)  Public schools don't have that luxury or that kind of bank roll. 

[Barber Greene]

One of the benefits of the Warhawks being moved to the  North during the playoffs last year was the opportunity to see some different teams...I have to think preparing for and playing against the North Central offense (it appeared to be some version of the spread or at the least was pass happy) helped the Warhawks against Mt Union

[janesvilleflash]

I think the WIAC teams should play eachother for one of their preseason games. I would suggest having it happen all on one day, at the same location. Each year the location could change. For example, next year all the teams could play at Platteville, Stevens Point the next, etc. Games could start at 9am and play till they were done. Would make a fun day for the fans. Obviously the schedule would rotate every year on who plays who, and could be scheduled out several years.

[Pat Coleman]

You'll have to try to get a Carthage guy if you want more info - I've already told you as much as I know!  I believe the president thinks that publics have an unfair advantage in recruiting (tuition), but check with more knowledgable folks.
Carthage DID originally exist in west-central Illinois, but since the move was over 40 years ago, I can't really explain their preference for Chicagoland players rather than Wisky.

This one never flies with me.  Having been through the recruiting process years ago, there was plenty of, "academic money, wink-wink," thrown around by the private schools cutting their list price, (as much as half in some instances.)  Public schools don't have that luxury or that kind of bank roll. 

I'm still paying my wife's student loans, going on 15 years later. There's no joke about the cost of a private school education.

[BoBo]

Sounds a little high schoolish to me - sort of like a state tournament-type format.  I'm one fan who wouldn't appreciate it the way you would. 

EDIT:  In reference to WIAC teams playing each other for one of their preseason games.

[footballfan413]

You'll have to try to get a Carthage guy if you want more info - I've already told you as much as I know!  I believe the president thinks that publics have an unfair advantage in recruiting (tuition), but check with more knowledgable folks.
Carthage DID originally exist in west-central Illinois, but since the move was over 40 years ago, I can't really explain their preference for Chicagoland players rather than Wisky.

This one never flies with me.  Having been through the recruiting process years ago, there was plenty of, "academic money, wink-wink," thrown around by the private schools cutting their list price, (as much as half in some instances.)  Public schools don't have that luxury or that kind of bank roll. 

I'm still paying my wife's student loans, going on 15 years later. There's no joke about the cost of a private school education.

Of course not, Pat.  There is no joke about the price of a year of college tuition at any school these days.  No offense meant but the point of my post is that while the yearly price of a public college tuition is less than the price of a private college tuition, it is not as much as many would like you to believe in many cases.  Not when the $29 thousand plus yearly tag  becomes $15 to $18 thousand in reality on a regular basis.  I have watched it happen many times. 

Clarification:  I am referring to the listed price of a year of tuition AND room and board for an incoming freshman.

[Barber Greene]

I believe that the Eric Brewster trying out for the Warhawks is the son of Tim Brewster, U of Minnesota coach. Local Madison TV station interviewed Eric and he had a shirt on that said "Tim Brewster, Minnesota"....so my great powers of deduction led me to believe he was Tim's son...apparently he is a transfer from Northern Arizona U

[voice]

I believe that the Eric Brewster trying out for the Warhawks is the son of Tim Brewster, U of Minnesota coach. Local Madison TV station interviewed Eric and he had a shirt on that said "Tim Brewster, Minnesota"....so my great powers of deduction led me to believe he was Tim's son...apparently he is a transfer from Northern Arizona U

Barber G.  your deduction is correct

[BoBo]

Seems to be a lot of transfers this year on the Whitewater preseason roster - voice, how many are there? How many transfer in a typical year?

Barber Green - nice bit of dectective work!! Do you know if that video in online anywhere?

[Barber Greene]

Seems to be a lot of transfers this year on the Whitewater preseason roster - voice, how many are there? How many transfer in a typical year?

Barber Green - nice bit of dectective work!! Do you know if that video in online anywhere?

There were a couple of DII transfers at QB (the Danny Jones effect?)....Mike Long (6'3, 205, Jr - Pontiac, IL -Transfer from Truman State and Tyler Roebke (6'0, 215, Soph - Menasha)- Transfer from Minnesota State-Mankato (this info came from warhawkfootball.com)...

Neither appeared to have any playing time so it is not like Danny Jones, an all-conference player, transferring in