Atlantic Central Football Conference/Independents

Teamski · July 15, 2009, 09:50:11 AM

You have got to be kidding me!!!! Where did that come from?!?! I would love to know what spurned the move to Empire 8!! This really sux!! $:-\$

Wow, things changed just like that.....

I mean, come on!!! Now they get to enjoy traveling up to NY all of the time....... As mentioned, there has to be more to the story.

-Ski

K-Mack · July 15, 2009, 01:16:58 PM

I'm curious to hear how Wesley likes the Salisbury/Frostburg move ... just skimmed the comments so far. Sounds like it was a stunner.

I thought Frostburg would fit with the PAC to give it an even 10 and Wesley/Salisbury should go E8, but maybe they didn't want a superleague, or Wesley has other ideas.

The E8, I could see why it would not be amenable actually ... why would Salisbury want to travel all that way? Not that Wesley doesn't have to travel as an independent.

One indy looking for midseason games is a lot different than four trying to get games once conference play begins.

K-Mack · July 15, 2009, 01:35:53 PM

Quote from: Ralph Turner on July 13, 2009, 09:54:20 PM
Quote from: rams1102 on July 13, 2009, 09:39:36 PM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on July 13, 2009, 04:25:21 PM
Salisbury and Frostburg are leaving the ACFC. I guess Wesley becomes and true Independent again after next season.

Why not join the NJAC like I have been saying the past (2) years along with Salisbury and let a few Up-State teams join the Up-State Guys. The Private vs State stuff is all BS when it comes to Football. Salibbury is now gone and time for Wesley to join the NJAC and then see how it plays out.

Because I understand that the NJAC has roster limits and Wesley has squads that are larger than the NJAC roster limit.

That is a deal-breaker for Wesley.

Your sources must be well-placed!

I understand Wesley has 120+ on its football team ... and that's not even with me checking the Kickoff number last year. Could be much more, like 50, but lets say its 20 ... that's enrolled male 20 students brought in to balance out the female enrollment, times $17,700 per year.

So joining a league with a 100-player roster limit is going to cost $354,000 at a minimum, plus add the conundrum of how to deal with the players above 100 currently enrolled, who were recruited believing there were no cuts ... and so on.

Might have a competitive effect too.

I'll ask the true sources before I speculate more, but the cost of travel and the hassle of scheduling for an independent possibly pales in comparison to those costs and headaches.

PA_wesleyfan · July 15, 2009, 04:22:48 PM

K-Mack

I too am waiting to see what happens next!! I was as suprised that Salisbury went without Wesley as well. Wickfans comments on the E8 board have been thrown out there before and proved wrong. I think one only has to look at the Larry Beavers situation a few years ago to see that players that down get the grades don't play!

wesleydad · July 15, 2009, 06:49:21 PM

the writing was on the wall. wesley was going to have to find a place that they fit in or go independent, which sucks for scheduling purposes. i find it hard to believe that they cant find a conference that they fit with for football. salisbury is taking the easy (smart) way out, join a conference for football only to make scheduling easier and in the process a chance at an auto qualifier to boot. is wesley so much different then other D3 schools that they cant fit into a conference?

HSCTiger74 · July 15, 2009, 08:50:32 PM

Quote from: wesleydad on July 15, 2009, 06:49:21 PM
the writing was on the wall. wesley was going to have to find a place that they fit in or go independent, which sucks for scheduling purposes. i find it hard to believe that they cant find a conference that they fit with for football. salisbury is taking the easy (smart) way out, join a conference for football only to make scheduling easier and in the process a chance at an auto qualifier to boot. is wesley so much different then other D3 schools that they cant fit into a conference?

Yeah ... their football team seems to be a whole lot better.

Teamski · July 15, 2009, 11:22:12 PM

Quote from: wesleydad on July 15, 2009, 06:49:21 PM
the writing was on the wall. wesley was going to have to find a place that they fit in or go independent, which sucks for scheduling purposes. i find it hard to believe that they cant find a conference that they fit with for football. salisbury is taking the easy (smart) way out, join a conference for football only to make scheduling easier and in the process a chance at an auto qualifier to boot. is wesley so much different then other D3 schools that they cant fit into a conference?

That was what I thought was the idea with them joining the CAC..... Well, one thing is true, Wesley has essentially been independant for the last two years. This, of course, will not help whatsoever.

-Ski

PA_wesleyfan · July 17, 2009, 04:27:44 PM

I had posted this in the general board area

Here is an interesting NCAA vote that could impact Wesley as well as Delaware and Delaware st. come playoff time.

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20090716/NEWS02/907160365/1002/SPORTS&referrer=NEWSFRONTCAROUSEL

rams1102 · July 17, 2009, 08:50:16 PM

Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on July 17, 2009, 04:27:44 PM
I had posted this in the general board area

Here is an interesting NCAA vote that could impact Wesley as well as Delaware and Delaware st. come playoff time.

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20090716/NEWS02/907160365/1002/SPORTS&referrer=NEWSFRONTCAROUSEL

PA - When I followed Wesley in 2000 and 2001 they were Independent and it still has not changed in 2009. I guess they are destined to be an Independent. That being said, Drass has done a great job. Good Luck in 2009. Maybe we can sign a home and home between Montclair and Wesley.

Teamski · July 18, 2009, 08:46:38 AM

Quote from: rams1102 on July 17, 2009, 08:50:16 PM
Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on July 17, 2009, 04:27:44 PM
I had posted this in the general board area

Here is an interesting NCAA vote that could impact Wesley as well as Delaware and Delaware st. come playoff time.

http://www.delawareonline.com/article/20090716/NEWS02/907160365/1002/SPORTS&referrer=NEWSFRONTCAROUSEL

PA - When I followed Wesley in 2000 and 2001 they were Independent and it still has not changed in 2009. I guess they are destined to be an Independent. That being said, Drass has done a great job. Good Luck in 2009. Maybe we can sign a home and home between Montclair and Wesley.

I'd love to see that. Wesley has a loss to avenge.

-Ski

Ralph Turner · July 18, 2009, 01:59:04 PM

Just a thought...

The SUNY-Morrisville is scheduled to become a full D3 member this season and may join the NEAC. Its affiliation with the NJAC may come under review at that time.

A better conference for its young football program may be the new ECFC. If Morrisville moves to the ECFC, that will give an open date in a 9-team NJAC conference schedule that Wesley might fill. How many in-region games that might provide would be up for consideration. As currently constituted, only the "New York" NJAC games would not be "in-region".

For that matter, Stevenson might do better in the ECFC in its first 3-4 years until the Capital AC could grow some more.

PA_wesleyfan · July 18, 2009, 02:55:50 PM

Ralph

That would be an awful lot of long bus trips for Stevenson.. I am sure that there will be D three teams locally salivating to play them !!! Plus it may depend on who gets the head coaching position! I know a few who went after the Frostburg job. But I don't know if they would be interested in starting a new program.

Ralph Turner · July 18, 2009, 03:22:33 PM

Quote from: PA_wesleyfan on July 18, 2009, 02:55:50 PM
Ralph

That would be an awful lot of long bus trips for Stevenson.. I am sure that there will be D three teams locally salivating to play them !!! Plus it may depend on who gets the head coaching position! I know a few who went after the Frostburg job. But I don't know if they would be interested in starting a new program.

I know that there will be a few teams wanting to play them, but a team must have an open date from conference play on the weekend that Stevenson is available.

The problem that an independent has, as you well know, is that playing dates fall into line for conference teams beginning about the fourth week, (as early as the third weekend in the OAC and the ASC). After that weekend, the only open dates are the schools from odd-numbered conferences.

Shenandoah almost has a ready-made ODAC schedule by just filling in the open dates in conference play.

luvapontiac · July 19, 2009, 02:00:58 AM

I loved going to Salisbury football games against the likes of Apprentice, Frostburg, CNU and Wesley. I know this is a rant, but there is no way I am driving or flying up to upstate NY to see them and I doubt many of the Salisbury and FSU faithful are going to go up there either. I hope the AD there knows what he is doing with this Evil Empire 8 (sorry....just had to make a slight against the NY Yankees

) I have heard some scuttlebutt that the reason was for the AQ for the conference...but is this the right way to go about it? Joining a conference that you have NOTHING in common with in terms of any natural rival other than one other school that also left a defunct conference? Why coulnd't SU and FSU get the new Villa Julie/Stevens football team into the AFCA and some other DIII schools from VA? SU and FSU are mid-atlantic/southeastern teams. Also.. what becomes of Wesley and Apprentice now and the rivalry with Salisbury?

Ralph Turner · July 19, 2009, 02:37:01 PM

Quote from: luvapontiac on July 19, 2009, 02:00:58 AM
I loved going to Salisbury football games against the likes of Apprentice, Frostburg, CNU and Wesley. I know this is a rant, but there is no way I am driving or flying up to upstate NY to see them and I doubt many of the Salisbury and FSU faithful are going to go up there either. I hope the AD there knows what he is doing with this Evil Empire 8 (sorry....just had to make a slight against the NY Yankees ) I have heard some scuttlebutt that the reason was for the AQ for the conference...but is this the right way to go about it? Joining a conference that you have NOTHING in common with in terms of any natural rival other than one other school that also left a defunct conference? Why coulnd't SU and FSU get the new Villa Julie/Stevens football team into the AFCA and some other DIII schools from VA? SU and FSU are mid-atlantic/southeastern teams. Also.. what becomes of Wesley and Apprentice now and the rivalry with Salisbury?

Why? Because there aren't teams available to do that.

Besides, all of the other teams in the area are happy with where they are now.

Salisbury has a ready made schedule. The Regents Cup game in Annapolis is intact, but as a conference game now. There are 6 other E8 games to fill those October and early November dates. The Salisbury schedule will include Capital members Stevenson and Wesley in the early part of the season, and now the team just needs to fill the last date with NNA.

No more D-II Pace or Lake Erie or the Liberty League's Union NY, as in 2008. You played Brockport and Buffalo State in the ACFC in this decade; they are New York schools. You played Becker from Leicester MA (a tough 79-20 win) and Morrisville NY in 2007. St Peter's NJ has given up football. Chowan has gone to D-2. There are no other schools. I am sympathetic to the plight of Wesley, but until someone else disrupts the alignment, e.g., CNU joining the Capital, then this is where it is heading.

I know that this was a rant, but Coach Wood's life just got easier.