Atlantic Central Football Conference/Independents

[wesleydad]

BoBo, i will answer the culture shock question since i posted it.  what i meant was that the atmospshere will be greatly different than at uwww since wesley's facilities are so much smaller than what uwww is used.  our home and away stands would fit into your away stands and there would still be room left over.  wesley has a modest locker room compared to uwww's.  it will be a totally different feel to the game for them.  i think many of the facilities in the wiac are similar to their's, if not then there will not be as much of a culture shock as i thought.  my comment had nothing to do with culture as in how we live in this area compared to wisconsin.  Having attended the o6 game, the facility at uwww is impressive and certainly has an effect on the visiting team.  familiarity certainly comes into play as teams travel as schedules change and all the other stuff that goes with it.  i will answer your other questions later today, at work now and only had short time to post this.

[Teamski]

You are too funny ski!  UW-W has scored 117 points in the playoffs to Wesley's 116.  UW-W just scored 20 against the 3rd ranked defense in the country and Wesley scored 19 against the 100th ranked defense in the country.  If UW-W's offense is lackluster, how would you describe Wesley's?    This is going to be a fun week filled with lots of laughs reading your posts!  

Well,  you just proved my point:  All things being equal.  Wesley hung 44 points on the nation's #9 defense of Montclair State, while UWW put about the same amount of points against with Trine's 53rd ranked defense coming into this week.  We have as much right to be confident in our team as you do yours.  I don't think that UWW will be waltzing into Dover and walking over the Wolverines.  You might think so, but the nation's #1 ranked defense will be ready to play on its home turf.

-Ski

[bleedpurple]

Congratulations to Wesley College on tying Delaware Valley in leading the nation with 101 penalties. That's hard to do!

Their ranking of 214th with 30 turnovers is impressive, too.  

While this week will be fun, it is also highly predictable.  A couple of you will yap and talk big all week about how Wesley is such a great team, UW-W will come in and pound the rock for four quarters, the game will be close for about 3 quarters, Wesley will turn the ball over as they tire, and UW-W will dominate the fourth quarter like they always do. Then, the posters who were talking big all week will be crying about the "ifs" and "buts" and the turnovers and how Wesley would have won if they played a clean game.  I will give Wesley credit, they have cleaned up their penalties in the playoffs. Not surprising given they are the National Committee's shining #1 overall seed.  But they have still fumbled 4 times over the past 3 games, way too many. When athletes are tired, they revert to bad habits. They begin grabbing instead of exploding and their concentration is affected, which causes mistakes.  Discipline is crucial for a team to function late in close games.  Practice habits, character, and attention to detail become paramount late in close games.  Say what you want about UW-W, but they have played 3 close playoff games and outscored their opponents 48-0 in the fourth quarter of those games.  

Wesley isn't a team with sufficient discipline built into them to beat a team like UW-W.  No matter how badly you want it to happen, it won't. For five years, UW-W has pretty much done the same thing.  You'll see it again on Saturday. And you will be left shaking your head, falsely thinking Wesley just made their critical mistakes by happenstance.  It wasn't happenstance. It was UW-W.  Again.  

[02 Warhawk]

Congratulations to Wesley College on tying Delaware Valley in leading the nation with 101 penalties. That's hard to do!

Their ranking of 214th with 30 turnovers is impressive, too.  

While this week will be fun, it is also highly predictable.  A couple of you will yap and talk big all week about how Wesley is such a great team, UW-W will come in and pound the rock for four quarters, the game will be close for about 3 quarters, Wesley will turn the ball over as they tire, and UW-W will dominate the fourth quarter like they always do. Then, the posters who were talking big all week will be crying about the "ifs" and "buts" and the turnovers and how Wesley would have won if they played a clean game.  I will give Wesley credit, they have cleaned up their penalties in the playoffs. Not surprising given they are the National Committee's shining #1 overall seed.  But they have still fumbled 4 times over the past 3 games, way too many. When athletes are tired, they revert to bad habits. They begin grabbing instead of exploding and their concentration is affected, which causes mistakes.  Discipline is crucial for a team to function late in close games.  Practice habits, character, and attention to detail become paramount late in close games.  Say what you want about UW-W, but they have played 3 close playoff games and outscored their opponents 48-0 in the fourth quarter of those games.  

Wesley isn't a team with sufficient discipline built into them to beat a team like UW-W.  No matter how badly you want it to happen, it won't. For five years, UW-W has pretty much done the same thing.  You'll see it again on Saturday. And you will be left shaking your head, falsely thinking Wesley just made their critical mistakes by happenstance.  It wasn't happenstance. It was UW-W.  Again.  

BP....i think you just lost your chance at becoming facebook friends with Wesley fans   .

Between Wesley and UWW, this could be an ugly penalized game....UWW has been known for stupid penalties too.

[MasterJedi]

I hope Wesley has the same attitude as you guys do, it'll show in their practices and how they play the game. 

[Barber Greene]

BoBo, i will answer the culture shock question since i posted it.  what i meant was that the atmospshere will be greatly different than at uwww since wesley's facilities are so much smaller than what uwww is used.  our home and away stands would fit into your away stands and there would still be room left over.  wesley has a modest locker room compared to uwww's.  it will be a totally different feel to the game for them.  i think many of the facilities in the wiac are similar to their's, if not then there will not be as much of a culture shock as i thought.  my comment had nothing to do with culture as in how we live in this area compared to wisconsin.  Having attended the o6 game, the facility at uwww is impressive and certainly has an effect on the visiting team.  familiarity certainly comes into play as teams travel as schedules change and all the other stuff that goes with it.  i will answer your other questions later today, at work now and only had short time to post this.

I'm sorry, you must be unaware that Whitewater has to play at UW-River Falls 

http://www2.uwrf.edu/photo_archive/02010/101023football/index.html

[footballfan413]

I love being outnumbered by UWW fans and getting smitted repeatedly.  That is class.   I could smite everybody for airing their opinions, but I don't.

I haven't said anything about Wesley stomping UWW if that is what you guys are getting out of my postings.  I am saying that Wesley will play hard and should match whatever UWW has to offer.  Overall, Wesley has really cleaned up its game, and it shows.   

-Ski

I never smite and only applaud.  But glad to know you didn't smite me, cuz you aren't the only one losing karma around here. 

[Teamski]

Congratulations to Wesley College on tying Delaware Valley in leading the nation with 101 penalties. That's hard to do!

Their ranking of 214th with 30 turnovers is impressive, too.  

While this week will be fun, it is also highly predictable.  A couple of you will yap and talk big all week about how Wesley is such a great team, UW-W will come in and pound the rock for four quarters, the game will be close for about 3 quarters, Wesley will turn the ball over as they tire, and UW-W will dominate the fourth quarter like they always do. Then, the posters who were talking big all week will be crying about the "ifs" and "buts" and the turnovers and how Wesley would have won if they played a clean game.  I will give Wesley credit, they have cleaned up their penalties in the playoffs. Not surprising given they are the National Committee's shining #1 overall seed.  But they have still fumbled 4 times over the past 3 games, way too many. When athletes are tired, they revert to bad habits. They begin grabbing instead of exploding and their concentration is affected, which causes mistakes.  Discipline is crucial for a team to function late in close games.  Practice habits, character, and attention to detail become paramount late in close games.  Say what you want about UW-W, but they have played 3 close playoff games and outscored their opponents 48-0 in the fourth quarter of those games.  

Wesley isn't a team with sufficient discipline built into them to beat a team like UW-W.  No matter how badly you want it to happen, it won't. For five years, UW-W has pretty much done the same thing.  You'll see it again on Saturday. And you will be left shaking your head, falsely thinking Wesley just made their critical mistakes by happenstance.  It wasn't happenstance. It was UW-W.  Again.  

Your discipline argument doesn't hold water.  Wesley only committed 10 penalties in the last 3 games while UWW committed 19.  I think Wesley is more disciplined than you might think.  Only 1 penalty against UMHB.

-Ski

[badgerwarhawk]

If the pattern holds true Wesley will not be penalized on Saturday.  Trine was penalized 14 times in the game prior to their matchup with WHITEWATER and only committed 1 five yard penalty in the game.  North Central was penalized 6 times in their previous game but only 3 times against the WARHAWKS.  So far only Franklin committed more penalties in their match up with WHITEWATER than the previous week though the previous game was a regular season one.  Increasing from 4 to 6 however 3 of the 6 occured on their last possession.    Wesley shouldn't have a problem. 

KABOOM 

[WarhawkDad]

Enough with the rethoric!   I just want to know who is towing the cannon to Delaware!   

[Teamski]

Enough with the rethoric!   I just want to know who is towing the cannon to Delaware!   

I can see it now, being offloaded off of the equipment rental truck, hehehe....

-Ski

[wesleydad]

barber, thanks for the pictures.  i dont think we are as small as that, but i am sure there will be more people in the stands.  as i said, i was not sure how all the facilities were in the wiac but i would be surprised if many are like wesley is.  if i am wrong it wont be the first time, but i know i am right when i say that the atmosphere will not be as elaborate as uwww home games.

it would be nice to have someone come here and make points as to why uwww is so superior instead of the usual lame references to the shoes and cannon.  bring something to the discussion that has substance.  ski and i will gladly debate relevant points, but the usual uwww arrogance continues to show in your posts.  i am well aware as to how good you have been in the past, i have seen you in the last 4 stagg bowls and the 06 game with wesley.  actually cheered for your team in each game as i wanted to see someone other than mount win.  bobo asked some good questions which i will be glad to respond to later.  insults are easy, i can throw them out as good as anyone.  i will have opinions about the game and gladly share them with you, some will be stat based others will be feelings i have about this team this year.  ready and willing to debate them.  i will not run after the game, if you monkey stomp us as you like to say then i will congratulate you as i have done in the past.  looking forward to the rest of the week, maybe someone will want to actually discuss the game.

[02 Warhawk]

to tell you the truth, I don't have any STRONG points on why UWW will win this weekend.

At least last week, I was able to say (with confidence) that I didn't see how NCC was going to put up points against UWW.

Looking at the statistics, Wesley has a better offense, with a slightly stronger D (than NCC)....so, I don't think either team has a HUGE edge over the other. I guess that's the way it's suppose to be in the semi's (unless you're mount union  ).

[footballfan413]

For the most part, I think you will find that we are a pretty good group overall with a few exceptions.  Can talk stats, X's and O's without too much bravado but this post season has taken on a different twist with the committee deciding that the defending national champs who, again, ran the table in one of the toughest conferences in the country did not warrant a spot in the top 4? We have had to defend winning with a back-up QB every week because it was not by enough points.  On paper, does the Wolverines, as well as any opponent especially this time of the year, have a chance to beat us?  Absolutely and it very well could happen! But our offense is pretty good having scored 545 points this season and our defense is pretty good having given up only 149 and our history, (I know, a four letter word,) does show that our staff is pretty good and does have experience playing Wesley.  Whose defense ranks #1 or #5 at this time of the year doesn't mean squat in my opinion when only 4 teams remain.  You played apples, we played oranges, so stats only go so far when comparing two teams.  It comes down more to the intangibles at this point in the tourny, IMHO.
And sorry for the shoe crack, I just couldn't help myself.  

[rscl70]

barber, thanks for the pictures.  i dont think we are as small as that, but i am sure there will be more people in the stands.  as i said, i was not sure how all the facilities were in the wiac but i would be surprised if many are like wesley is.  if i am wrong it wont be the first time, but i know i am right when i say that the atmosphere will not be as elaborate as uwww home games.

it would be nice to have someone come here and make points as to why uwww is so superior instead of the usual lame references to the shoes and cannon.  bring something to the discussion that has substance.  ski and i will gladly debate relevant points, but the usual uwww arrogance continues to show in your posts.  i am well aware as to how good you have been in the past, i have seen you in the last 4 stagg bowls and the 06 game with wesley.  actually cheered for your team in each game as i wanted to see someone other than mount win.  bobo asked some good questions which i will be glad to respond to later.  insults are easy, i can throw them out as good as anyone.  i will have opinions about the game and gladly share them with you, some will be stat based others will be feelings i have about this team this year.  ready and willing to debate them.  i will not run after the game, if you monkey stomp us as you like to say then i will congratulate you as i have done in the past.  looking forward to the rest of the week, maybe someone will want to actually discuss the game.

Darn wesleydad, I was hoping your team would win 'til I saw this!  Now I have to cheer for the Wa....hack, choke, gag....rhawks