Atlantic Central Football Conference/Independents

[PA_wesleyfan]

wesleydad

  The Phils dropped the ball today more than Wesley 'Nough said!
I heard the opening drive today before we left. Sounded like the O line did some damage early. Pennewell has good speed and strength.

Wesley24

Got to have all the facts before you go on a rant!!!!

Hawk88
Other than the result, how was your trip to Dover? For some reason I can never get my car passed the raceway     

[Wesleyfan24]

I wasn't going off on a rant i just wanted some opinions about the absurd scores that are being thrown up by everyone.  Doesn't it seem that if you are beating teams by extravagant amounts that you would look for tougher competition.  Wisconsin Whitewater lost a game this year to a d2 school did they have to play them no but they did for the competition.  Why can't we have the Whitewater's play the Mary Hardin Baylors more.  And i did reference the Wesley factor and how we too have run the score up for all you salisbury fans out there.  Its not the fact of why they are running up the score but how.  Face a better team for heavens sake i understand that MUC kicked field goals on third down against AVERETT.  Who is a good d3 team but come on MUC could play all their freshmen football JV team and beat Averett.  I just want to spark up a contriversal topic.  Plus i am just rooting to get some of the younger kids some game time experience.  I mean with out redshirting most kids lose a year of eligibility before they even set foot on a game field.(exception JV football)  And they say that they took away red shirting for education.  I know plenty of kids that graduated in five years and had to help their teams from the stands.  I am not calling out the MUC coach or Coach Woods i rather am looking for some good debating conversation.  I mean no disrespect and i am sorry that some of you took it the wrong way.  I simply want some reaction to scores that are a little outragioius no matter the underlying circumstances.  Not saying their running up the score or anything like that only asking what you all think about it.  And yes i think that staring at your opponent after a sack or a tackle, throwing the ball at your opponent, and many other things are disrespectful.  I was just looking to get things stirred up and maybe have a little more excitement on this board looks like i got some responces and yes I actually got things a little more stirred up.  And yes go Wesley , go Apprentice, go Salisbury , go Brockport (for one more season) , and go Frostburg(except this week you need to lose sorry)  And go ACFC.  Good luck to all

[AF4]

Guys.... running up the score is wrong.... whether not mt union does it is unknown to me... i ain't got a dog in that fight

Hawks88... got your back if u need it... but..
i thought wesley just flat out manned us ( huntingdon)...and they got a passing offense..... but i just listened to it while 'bush hogging' my pasture....

Ralph (we met... and u r one of the Deans around here and have become my D-3 posts Hero...but.....) .. 3 of those mt union games (including the 75 pt averett game) were at home..so the 52 man travel squad or whatever..didn't apply... thier web site suggest they got >100 on thier varsity... and they delineate varsity roster from JV roster.... i am sure the program at mt union..as classy as it is (and we got to visit it last yr) does no wrong... but 75 - 7 is pretty harsh.... uh.... yea..... harsh....... i would have liked the 45 rule....but this ain't 6 0r 8 man football

again i niether agree nor disagree with wesley24 about mt union.... but i do not like to see coaches run up the score ...and yes i have seen it done..... some high scoring butt whoopings r no ones fault but the recipient.... but others r not....and when u r up by 21 within site of the end (< 5 min)...u don't need to be putting it up (except to keep a drive going... u need to run the clock...  (note the word run)

my 2 pennies.... and worth less than that

keep the faith

[PA_wesleyfan]

wesley24

1) Some of those game are conference contests, which of course have to be played

  2) There are teams ,Wesley is one of them, that have trouble scheduling games and play teams they can schedule that may not be as competative as others.

  3) The younger players have to wait their turn, This is not a level that coaches are obligated to play every player in a blow out. There is no way that some of them are ready to play as freshmen. And trying to play 100 kids in a game, not happening!!!! 

[Pat Coleman]

Good win for the Wolverines today.  Overall a solid day, next week Homecoming, Frostburg has always found a way to make it a tough game every year.  Looks like the Wolverine defense and the Running game is on track for Wesley.  I do have a question to pose to all of you.
When is too Much???   

There's never too much -- research, that is. Do your homework before you go calling someone out.

[Ralph Turner]

Yes, AF, I remember meeting you at HC.  We enjoyed our trip, despite the outcome.

I won't tell third stringer not to execute.

In the Averett game, MUC scored 45 points in the first quarter.  MUC All-American RB Nate Kmic touched the ball 7 times for 145 yds and 4 TDs, all in the first quarter.  He leaves the game.  Look at how many big mistakes that Averett makes.


Here are the stats versus Otterbein.  Look how many players touch the ball.

Against Muskingum, Kmic only touches the ball 7 times.

Against Heidelburg, it seems that it is just straight forward rushing football.

After 8 seasons on this board, I have become very sensitive to the cheap shots that media people take at MUC.  They run as fine an organization as there is in D3.  How do you get a team ready for the tough games that are at the top of the OAC when you have some weak team in the conference?

[AF4]

Ralph ...hero...obi wan

like i said ..i ain't got a dawg in the mount union fight.... i take what u say as gospel concerning D3 and all it's teams

i was just responding to a question..... and any way u shake it... between losing 75-7 or getting the 45 rule.... i would rather get the 45 rule ( but this ain't 6 or 8 man highschool football)...and then i am slow minded and live in alabama (possibly redundant)

1 of my 2 teams won (AU beat Fl)...and  the only horse owner i had to deal with today was my wife..... overall a good day... unless i pissed u off... wouldn't want to do that

be good and keep the faith

[Ralph Turner]

Yes it was good.

I am glad that the Auburn FG kicker nailed it...twice! 

[Pat Coleman]

In the Averett game, MUC scored 45 points in the first quarter.  MUC All-American RB Nate Kmic touched the ball 7 times for 145 yds and 4 TDs, all in the first quarter.  He leaves the game.  Look at how many big mistakes that Averett makes.

They scored 52 in the first quarter, even.

[wesleydad]

wesley24, good topic of conversation.  looking at it from 2 points of view, as a parent and a coach.  i agree with you that some of the scores have been ugly and from afar it is easy to wonder if the score was run up.  watching wesley for the last 3 years has been fun, winning does that and wesley has beaten some teams pretty soundly.  i wondered why more substituting wasnt done earlier in some of those games, but as others have stated, coaches are trying to get ready for tougher games and nothing does that better than reps.  i dont think coach drass or any other coach that i have seen tries to run up the score and it is unfortunate that it happens sometimes.  i agree with you that playing tougher competition helps more and i was glad to see wesley upgrade its schedule this year, 4 very competitive games and no real blowouts.  from a coaching standpoint i try to do everything possible not to run up the score, but sometimes it is out of your control even when you sub.  this week we are winning 20 - 0 at half and the other team is really disorganized.  i sub in for entire offensive backfield and half of line, what happens, we run the kickoff back for td, boom 27 - 0.  you always try to respect your opponent because they are trying just as much as you are, but sometimes you are just that much better.  wesley only has 4 conference games so they have to search out opponents, muc does not have that luxury and i am sure has trouble finding opponents to fill the non-conference games.  who wants to go get beat badly, i give averett credit for taking the game and i would have no complaints if wesley took that challenge.  if you want to be the best you have to play them, cliche, but true.  your question was a good one and i am surprized by how defensive some have gotten because you mentioned their team.  you did signal out your own squad, wesley as an example, and i for one was not offended.  anyone that loves football and checks the scoreboard for results has to wonder how a game got so out of hand, bad team or run up.  see you next week.

[pg04]

Yes, AF, I remember meeting you at HC.  We enjoyed our trip, despite the outcome.

I won't tell third stringer not to execute.

In the Averett game, MUC scored 45 points in the first quarter.  MUC All-American RB Nate Kmic touched the ball 7 times for 145 yds and 4 TDs, all in the first quarter.  He leaves the game.  Look at how many big mistakes that Averett makes.


Here are the stats versus Otterbein.  Look how many players touch the ball.

Against Muskingum, Kmic only touches the ball 7 times.

Against Heidelburg, it seems that it is just straight forward rushing football.

After 8 seasons on this board, I have become very sensitive to the cheap shots that media people take at MUC.  They run as fine an organization as there is in D3.  How do you get a team ready for the tough games that are at the top of the OAC when you have some weak team in the conference?

There seems to be even more of this on the boards this year than usual.  Even I brought it up.  Unfortunately, they haven't played any of the good teams in the conference yet.  As you said, are they really prepared to play those games?  Could they possibly lay an egg?  Well I guess if the past is any indication, then an emphatic NO.  They will be well prepared. 

[PA_wesleyfan]

I started a RUNNING up the score post in the general posts

[IchKriegIhnNichtHoch]

I agree that some of the scores throughout D3 are pretty outrageous.  But I have to defend Mount Union a little bit...I have seen them on fim when I played for Wesley.  When you are blowing a team off the feild in the first half and have a running game like they have...It is simply impossible to stop scoring.  I saw them against Averett two years ago.  Averett is a team that even gives Wesley problems and they were just destroying them late with long TD runs so the end score looked even worse.  I would have to aggree that they should think about moving up a division...But if they do...Dont expect things to change.  Mount Union will only attract more freak athletes if they have scholarship money to throw around.  It wouldnt be long before they dominated DII. 

I was the part of what people would call "running up the score" when I was at wesley both on the winning and losing end.  DIII is all about finding mismatches and exploiting them...Good teams do it week in and week out.  That was the case when I was at wesley and that is the case when any GOOD team plays an inferior one.  And just when is a game OVER...I have also been a part of a comeback win where we were down by 24 points at the half and scored 42 unanswered points in the second half.  Its a hard call to make for a head coach sometimes.  On top of that...When you have ample second stringers to put on the field to "run out the clock"...What are you supposed to tell them?  DONT SCORE?  DONT TRY SO HARD?  Its a touchy subject. 

[Hawks88]

wesleydad


Hawk88
Other than the result, how was your trip to Dover? For some reason I can never get my car passed the raceway     

Pretty good trip with beautiful weather, Wesleydad. Stopped on the eastern shore on the way back to Baltimore after the game. Ate some good crabs and saw a beautiful sunset on the Chesapeake. Made it to the motel in time to see the start of the Auburn-Florida game but gave out by halftime. Woke up early to get to the airport, turned on ESPN to find the score and they were replaying the game and it was in the 4th quarter so we got to see the end so that worked out well. All together a real good trip, except of course for the outcome of HC-WC.   
Also got to meet Pat and Keith after the game and spoke with them for a few minutes.

[AF4]

Hawks88

Lord willing we'll  b at samford stadium sat...

where u tailgate at ?  me and the misses will try to find u
we set up in front of cloverdale school annex....about 4 families

have a great week

Go Hawks