Atlantic Central Football Conference/Independents

[yessir]

Today went just like the whole season did.  UMHB looked like they had stickum on their hands while wesley had vasaline.  Turnovers were wesleys kryptonite.  Schatz did not lose the game for wesley.  The passing game was there it just wasn't working out.  Great season for the wolverines, sorry to say but this years UMHB team does not look like the same team that they have had for the past two years.  If you get 5 turnovers you should be putting up 40+.  Whitewater is going to drown the Cru next week.  Sorry the team i saw out there could not beat UWW if you think you can go ahead and try.  I predict UWW 42 UMHB 17.  Looks like a UWW vs MUC final again, kinda getting old.

Drown eh, so what exactly did UMHB do to Wesley today.  With previous loses to UWW of 58-6 and 44-7, i'm not sure anyone from Wesley can talk about UWW "Drowning" UMHB. UMHB's 41-14 lose to UWW this season is more respectable than any of Wesley loses to UWW. Sounds like a bunch of sour losers to me........

"If you think you can go ahead and try" What are they suppose to do, not try? What a 5th grader.

Dang, there is some grumpy people in Dover. I'm glad I didn't make the trip.....would of ruined my weekend, all the bad attitudes. Grumpy old Doverians.....

[Kelly Boggs]

Congratulations to Wesley on a great season and a hard fought game. It was a tough loss. It sounds like the Wolverines will be loaded next season. Your offense will once again be one of the most explosive in the nation.

It's always frustarating when turnovers contribute to a loss. UMHB's earlier meeting with UWW (5 turnovers - 3 in the first 5 series) is a case in point. And I believe that in the 2005 meeting with Wesley, the CRU lost 4 fumbles.

No doubt the penalty that nullified the long score hurt Wesley. It would have not only tied the game, but provided much needed momentum. I can't blame you for "what if'n."

It was an exciting game with both teams making their share of mistakes. One UMHB fan said the CRU played their "A" game. I have to respectfully disagree. They made enough plays to win. The defense made some stops when it needed to. The CRU ran the ball effectively in the second half and completed a couple of big passes on third and long. During the game, K-Mack pointed out that UMHB being plus in turnovers this year is nothing new. The CRU had 50 plus (I don't remember the exact total) going into the Wesley game. 

UMHB is fortunate to be moving on. The CRU has a shot at redemption against UWW. Will they win? Don't know, but if they protect the ball it will be an exciting game. 

[wesleydad]

teamski, i dont have a problem if you mention a player, my son or any other one.  i was just wondering about your comment.  you explained it, not sure if i agree with it, but that is what this is for anyway.  the passing game was out of sinc today, not sure why , a combination of wind, play calling, umhb defense, bad decision making, etc.  one thing for sure is that when they did get the ball moving there was a turnover which i think will cause disruption for any offense, no matter who the qb is, that is my point.  you are always welcome to voice your opinion and hopefully next year you will be able to join us for some tailgating before or after the game .  i am well aware that my son's perfromance will get more scrutiny than most since he is the qb.  i hear it, if it is accurate accept it and maybe even pass it on if i think it will help him improve.  if i think it is unfounded, ignore it or question it.  i harbor no hard feelings towards anyone who is a fan, especially someone like yourself who has adopted the wolverines as your team with no direct connection, thanks for that .  have a good holiday season and save your voice, i think you will need it for next year, they should be better than this year.

umhbalum, well stated.  i am glad someone else saw the same game i did.  the td call back was huge and we will never know how the game would have turned out, but that is football.  i agree with you, that could not have been the cru's A game.  good luck next week.

pawesleyfan, you know you and your dad are always welcome before or after the game.  the tailgating at wesley is certainly part of the experience each home game , all are welcome wesley fans and opponent's fans.  have a good holiday season and see you next year.

[SU Backer]

   First off congats to Wesley on a tremendous run....and for those who are frequent here, they know that this Salisbury guy has no love loss for the Wolverines.....but they have my respect 100%. I was there and I have no dog left in the fight -I try to call it like I see it. I wasn't as impressed with UMHB as I thought I would be-they won, but the game really could have went either way. I actually think the better overall athletic talent was on the Wesley sideline. I'm not saying MHB isn't good-they're very, very good-but after the 64-0 drubbing they laid on NCWesleyan, I thought I as going to see a team on another level. They're solid and VERY well coached-fundamentally very sound. As far as the QB position is concerned no doubt Schatz is head and shoulders above the the QB for MHB. Schatz played well enough to win and he wasn't the one laying the ball on the ground. It happens....some of it is good solid hitting on the defense's part and some is the back or receiver trying for that extra yard, the weather and let's face it sometimes it just isn't your day.  Schatz actually played well and I was impressed..he competed to the whistle and that is all you can ask. Wesleydad you should be proud...it has to be tough to follow a guy like Warrick..but the progression of your son has been steady..the kid can play-he has a believer here. I don't like UMHB's chances next week, but I hope for a South Region rep in the finals. Alerady looking forward to WEEK 9 next year!!

[wesleydad]

subacker, i agree with your take on umhb.  i was expecting the same thing and did not see it.  they were better last year.  as always, from a wesley standpoint, looking forward to the challenge that salisbury always presents, see you in week 9.

[Teamski]

Wesleydad,

Just let me know what you want me to bring for the tailgating and my wife and I will be there!  Honestly, Jason improved quite a bit through the year.  I guess that's why I am being tough on him.  He's moving around a lot more and smartly running with the ball when a target isn't opening up.  This year was the perfect confidence building season.  He got them through the second round of the playoffs.  You can't ask any more than that!

It will be hard to see Bryan Robinson, Jamal Williams, Alpha Koroma, Michael Clark and the rest of the Senior crew go!!  They were all such a large part of Wesley's success these last couple years........

-Ski

[wesleydad]

teamski, since we tailgate with the bell's there is usually plenty of food.  bring your beverage of choice and join us next year.  it is tough seeing the seniors go, robinson was one of the first players i met when jason arrived at college, what a great person.  the d line will be tough to replace, but coach has played many guys so they will have experience.  it is a shame that there will be no game this week, my wife and i are already trying to figure out what to do next saturday.  we are taking a trip to the stagg the following week, jason is coming along.  thanks for the positive support of the team.

[Teamski]

Have a VERY safe trip!   I am really looking forward to next year and meeting the clan.

I think my wife is relieved it's over.  It's taken her 18 years to finally understand the game of football and she's been really good about hitting the home games (and Widener).

Wow,  I am right now completely silenced. I lost 100% of my voice this morning, hehehe.... I hope it comes back to me by tonight for work.   I really yelled it up yesterday.

I caught Bryan at Smither's several weeks ago and  congratulated him on the Brockport State game.  He is indeed a really nice guy.  I wish him the best of luck.  I sure wish they would show the Aztec Bowl on TV!

-Ski

[Toby Taff]

   First off congats to Wesley on a tremendous run....and for those who are frequent here, they know that this Salisbury guy has no love loss for the Wolverines.....but they have my respect 100%. I was there and I have no dog left in the fight -I try to call it like I see it. I wasn't as impressed with UMHB as I thought I would be-they won, but the game really could have went either way. I actually think the better overall athletic talent was on the Wesley sideline. I'm not saying MHB isn't good-they're very, very good-but after the 64-0 drubbing they laid on NCWesleyan, I thought I as going to see a team on another level. They're solid and VERY well coached-fundamentally very sound. As far as the QB position is concerned no doubt Schatz is head and shoulders above the the QB for MHB. Schatz played well enough to win and he wasn't the one laying the ball on the ground. It happens....some of it is good solid hitting on the defense's part and some is the back or receiver trying for that extra yard, the weather and let's face it sometimes it just isn't your day.  Schatz actually played well and I was impressed..he competed to the whistle and that is all you can ask. Wesleydad you should be proud...it has to be tough to follow a guy like Warrick..but the progression of your son has been steady..the kid can play-he has a believer here. I don't like UMHB's chances next week, but I hope for a South Region rep in the finals. Alerady looking forward to WEEK 9 next year!!

subacker, i agree with your take on umhb.  i was expecting the same thing and did not see it.  they were better last year.  as always, from a wesley standpoint, looking forward to the challenge that salisbury always presents, see you in week 9.

I know to hear some UMHB fans it sounds like the Cru absolutely dominates everyone, and in our conference that is often true.  The ASC has layers of talent and truthfully some are just not that good, but if you look at UMHB when playing quality opponents, you'll find that the game played yesterday is fairly typical of UMHB football.  I am a fan, and if you go back far enough I'm sure you'll find me talking/complaining about how mundane UMHB is.  They're not flashy, not necessarily impressive, and at times down right boring, especially in the first half.  I listened to the game yesterday and commented on the board several times that the game sounded typical even as the announcers were talking about how sloppy things were looking.  The Cru is out there to win not look good, and when the game looks or sounds like it did on the radio yesterday, I start feeling good about the day because come third and fourth quarter, the 2 lines of undominating O-line start blowing open bigger and bigger holes.  In a close game between relatively closely matched talent, it only takes one or two big holes (yesterday is a prime example) to blow it open if the defense is doing what it needs to do.  Did UMHB bring their A game yesterday?  You would have to ask them, but I bet the answer is no, but Wesley lost because the Cru was able to play it's game, which includes taking the ball away from opponents.  If the Cru gets behind early or can't get a little separation on a team that can score quickly, its going to have problems  But if the Cru plays its game and doesn't turn the ball over, it will be ugly, but I like our chances.

[Ralph Turner]

Well stated, umhb8904!

Between Wesley and UMHB, how do we settle this?  Play best 16 out of 31? 

It might take that.

The game was competitive and things broke for UMHB this year.

There is not that much difference between the 2 teams and UMHB broke it this year.

I stated on the Daily Dose (and I may be parroting another poster), but I think that Wesley is getting the talent that Rowan used to get.  We should see a shift in the balance of power, and Wesley will be a fixture in the northern half of the region for the rest of the decade.

[PA_wesleyfan]

Ralph

I doubt that very much. Keeler always got D1 transfers to boost his program and still gets them at Delaware. Wesley has always done well in S.Jersey recruiting as well as S.E. PA.  And the cost differential doeesn't make it feasable. Don't forget that Wesley and Widener are competing with Rowan and Co of NJ and even Del Val as well as Salisbury for Wesley for palyers. I know for a fact that players in NJ have played H.S. in PA and become Jersey residents to get in state tuitions

[muledaddy]

Wesleydad,

Congrats to you, your son, and your team on a fine run. I sincerely hope we have the opportuity to meet next season, at your place or ours, and rest assured, the
Mules will have to bring their  "A" game to beat the Wolverines. I feel things could
very well have turned out different for  Wesley if the TD was not called back and the turnovers were't such a killer.
My wife and I listened to your game on d3 this week but we are going through
end of season withdrawl ,and wish you good luck as you go through the same.

[wesleydad]

MULEDADDY, thanks for the kind words.  i dont think there is much doubt that the called back td would have changed things, still you cant fumble 5 times and win.  yes, the withdrawal has already started, but i will delay it a little by going to the stagg bowl in 2 weeks.  have a happy holiday and maybe we will meet next year.

[SU Backer]

  Wow...somebody hit my karma for that post? You are seriously thin- skinned.....I was there.....I watch Salisbury every week and have been for 5 years......I coached on the high school level for 3 years...I know what I am looking at. I called it the way it was....I said MHB was "very, very good" - because they are...but you are kidding yourself if you don't think that game could have been won by either of those teams. Look, I don't care for Wesley.......read this board and you'll know that- Salisbury folks for the most part feel that way-and those feelings are reciprocated By Wesley folks back our way. But I have seen enough D3 football to know they are talented-as is MHB- and both teams have my respect. As far as my comment that I didn't see what I thought I would-"a team on another level"-I stand by it-it is not a slap and shouldn't be construed that way. But option teams that can't throw very well can be contained by a tough, disciplined and well schemed defense. Ask me how I know!!-I didn't see a real ability to threaten with the pass. If you guys beat UWW I would be surprised-but happy-and take a measure of pride in that victory, as my team was one of 8 to represent the South Region.

[Toby Taff]

  Wow...somebody hit my karma for that post? You are seriously thin- skinned.....I was there.....I watch Salisbury every week and have been for 5 years......I coached on the high school level for 3 years...I know what I am looking at. I called it the way it was....I said MHB was "very, very good" - because they are...but you are kidding yourself if you don't think that game could have been won by either of those teams. Look, I don't care for Wesley.......read this board and you'll know that- Salisbury folks for the most part feel that way-and those feelings are reciprocated By Wesley folks back our way. But I have seen enough D3 football to know they are talented-as is MHB- and both teams have my respect. As far as my comment that I didn't see what I thought I would-"a team on another level"-I stand by it-it is not a slap and shouldn't be construed that way. But option teams that can't throw very well can be contained by a tough, disciplined and well schemed defense. Ask me how I know!!-I didn't see a real ability to threaten with the pass. If you guys beat UWW I would be surprised-but happy-and take a measure of pride in that victory, as my team was one of 8 to represent the South Region.

+1 K  there was no reason for someone to ding you for a well thought opinion that was not in anyway derogatory.  Please understand I was not at the game and was listening on the radio.  i was commenting based on the call, and it sounded like typical UMHB football.  i have never seen a game against an evenly matched team that made UMHB look like a team on another level. When I watch the Cru, I always feel like the hammer is going to fall, usually until the 2nd half.  I'd encourage you to watch next Saturday.  If UMHB wins, you'll finish the game thinking the same thing you thought after the Wesley game.  If they lose, same thing. That's one reason that I doubt you'll see a Gagliardi finalist on a UMHB team anytime soon.