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[DutchFan2004]

Interested follower of NCAC W's here, what can utes guys reveal about Coach Raeburn's offense and defense if any?

Number of backs employed, formations, favorite coverages....

style points...

anything for a preview of the new man at the Wabash helm..

Style of play overview for the IIAC might be helpful as a reference as well.  Knowing a little of Wartburg's AD's tenure as their head coach and Freddy Jackson am assuming the conference is somewhat run oriented.  Must be some vertical passing diversity in the league with a Hanover man amongst the IIAC head coaching ranks.

best regards,
E-R B

I think the offense will be pretty wide open.  They will throw the rock around the yard.  Lots of short passes and screens and then will go deep on you now and then just to keep you loose.  They will try and run the ball as well.  He is a good judge of talent and will use them how ever he can to try and beat you.

[Klopenhiemer]

BTW having a long tenure means two things.  You are doing a good job and moving a program forward or the school has no care for the program so whoever is directing the ship is good enough.  

I know there are colleges in this conference with worthless coaches in there other sports programs, but due to the fact that they either have no interest from the population, or the program is new, they are retained year after year.  

BTW did Raeburn stay with Freddie when he was playing for the Bandits or NFL Europe, or anywhere else that he played?  Sure Raeburn did some good things for Freddie, but that man has two things.  Great skills and a good head on his shoulders to make it to that level without giving up.  

Also I never saw anyone say that Raeburn was going bad things from a football standpoint. 

[DBQ1965]

This may not be fair ... but after our first 5 days on the beach in Mexcico I checked in with all the IIACers and wow ... a lot of messages ... too many to be sitting in a stuffy internet cafe while sun and surf beckons.

When I get back to reality and the cold Michigan winter ... I´ll start to digest it then.

Adios ...

[BeaverOfYore]

Interested follower of NCAC W's here, what can utes guys reveal about Coach Raeburn's offense and defense if any?

Number of backs employed, formations, favorite coverages....

style points...

anything for a preview of the new man at the Wabash helm..

Style of play overview for the IIAC might be helpful as a reference as well.  Knowing a little of Wartburg's AD's tenure as their head coach and Freddy Jackson am assuming the conference is somewhat run oriented.  Must be some vertical passing diversity in the league with a Hanover man amongst the IIAC head coaching ranks.

best regards,
E-R B

I think the offense will be pretty wide open.  They will throw the rock around the yard.  Lots of short passes and screens and then will go deep on you now and then just to keep you loose.  They will try and run the ball as well.  He is a good judge of talent and will use them how ever he can to try and beat you.

If memory serves me correctly, I think Coe was a team that waited to make their offensive calls until they were lined up and could see what defense they would be facing on a particular down.  This made for some excellent play calls that I know torched BV's D for long plays/TDs.  I'm assuming they did this against every team and not just BV.  From what I've heard about Wabash, crowd noise may be louder than at your average IIAC game, so it will be interesting to see whether Raeburn is able to shout calls from the sidelines like he could at Coe.  If not, his playcalling and style of offense might be less aggressive due to the fact that he would have to guess which defense his team will face on a given down.

[The Show]

One of the best Super Bowls that I can remember!

N.E., welcome to the wonderful world of karma...

[K-Mack]

Also asking on NCAC, but I figure the IIAC board will have a much different take. Haven't had a chance to back-read much (silly Super Bowl) so if this has already been answered, feel free to be direct in your directing me to it.

But ... What is -- in the humble opinion of IIAC posters -- the appeal of Wabash over Coe?

Being familiar with Coe and Raeburn, I think it's a great hire. But I can't find many plain-to-see reasons why he'd want to leave Coe for Wabash, so I'd like to have some message board opinion to tide me over until preseason when we can ask him straight up. (in the articles I read, I didn't get a lot of clarity on it)

My main guess is that Wabash has a great alumni base with deep pockets and pays better.

Football-wise, it might be a better job in that the NCAC is an easier league to win year-in, year-out, IMHO, than the IIAC, but high academic credentials (plus no female students) means it's got to be a more difficult place to recruit football players too.

Crawfordsville, well, I've never heard it described as a happening place to be or a wonderful place to raise children, although it might be. As Midwestern cities go, Cedar Rapids seemed pretty cool. Perhaps getting closer to Ohio roots?

The DePauw-Wabash rivalry is a special thing to be a part of, but Coe-Cornell isn't a bad rivalry either.

I know Bash gets great fan support and that's a rare and special thing.

Maybe the sum of all those slight advantages add up to reason to make the move. Maybe it was just time for a change. But maybe I'm missing something.

Anyway, expect to get a different answer here than on NCAC, so shoot ...

Also:
1) Is there anyone who covers the IIAC that you like? PM me with suggestions for Kickoff next season.
2) Does Zebrowski (UWW OC passed over by Wabash, where he was a finalist) become a candidate or the lead candidate for Coe, assuming he's interested and applies? He's definitely done all he can do as an OC, and would likely want to go back to being a head coach, so that'd seem to be a great hire too.

[Charlie Kohawk]

Does Zebrowski (UWW OC passed over by Wabash, where he was a finalist) become a candidate or the lead candidate for Coe, assuming he's interested and applies? He's definitely done all he can do as an OC, and would likely want to go back to being a head coach, so that'd seem to be a great hire too.

Interesting theory -- one I hadn't considered -- but it seems unlikely. I look for Coe to get out of the coach-for-hire game and look in house -- be that Staker, Atwater or someone else with Kohawk bloodlines. The AD has made some great hires -- see men's and women's basketball -- so I'm not concerned.

[doolittledog]

But ... What is -- in the humble opinion of IIAC posters -- the appeal of Wabash over Coe?

Being familiar with Coe and Raeburn, I think it's a great hire. But I can't find many plain-to-see reasons why he'd want to leave Coe for Wabash, so I'd like to have some message board opinion to tide me over until preseason when we can ask him straight up. (in the articles I read, I didn't get a lot of clarity on it)

My main guess is that Wabash has a great alumni base with deep pockets and pays better.

Football-wise, it might be a better job in that the NCAC is an easier league to win year-in, year-out, IMHO, than the IIAC, but high academic credentials (plus no female students) means it's got to be a more difficult place to recruit football players too.

Crawfordsville, well, I've never heard it described as a happening place to be or a wonderful place to raise children, although it might be. As Midwestern cities go, Cedar Rapids seemed pretty cool. Perhaps getting closer to Ohio roots?

The DePauw-Wabash rivalry is a special thing to be a part of, but Coe-Cornell isn't a bad rivalry either.

I know Bash gets great fan support and that's a rare and special thing.

Maybe the sum of all those slight advantages add up to reason to make the move. Maybe it was just time for a change. But maybe I'm missing something.

Anyway, expect to get a different answer here than on NCAC, so shoot ...

Doesn't seem to be anybody on the IIAC board that has talked to Raeburn.  Your speculations are pretty much what we have come up with.  Wabash is closer to his Ohio roots.  Seems likely Wabash would be able to pay him more than Coe. 

Differing opinions that got some arguments were that maybe it was just time for a change for him, that 8 years and 3 titles were probably about the best anybody could do and it was time for a new challenge. 

[New Storm]

One of the best Super Bowls that I can remember!

N.E., welcome to the wonderful world of karma...

Good super bowl and hey another great weather day here in Iowa anyone else ready for Spring and Spring Football ??

[doolittledog]

What are the dates for spring football this year and what exactly is the IIAC allowing? Spring practice would also seem to be a pretty good deal for the 3 new conference coaches!  I think I was ready for spring practice about 24 hours after I knew the Hawkeyes wouldn't be going to a bowl game. 

[Cochuck]

Has anyone talked with Walker about what happened with Raeburn?  If anyone would know, he would be the one.

[the_mayne_event]

No way Staker or Atwater gets the job.  Atwater got passed over for the D-Coordinator job last time it came up, why would Chandlor thinks he's a better fit for the head job?  Staker won't want it.  He won't put Coe in the position that they will need to rehire a coach in 3-5 years, if he even makes it that long.  He works better behind the scenes anyways.  There could be talk of Mike Magestrelli (sp?) former Coe D-coordinator, quarterback, and current St. Ambrose head coach.  Would he want to come back to IIAC, or stay where he is?  He would probably want to get back into the NCAA.   The guy from UWW should be considered.  He hasn't had any head coaching experience, but the last head coach that Coe hired had no head coaching experience and was the O-Coordinator at a previous national championship team.

As far as the offense Wabash can expect can be two different things:
The spread offense that was modeled after Florida coach Urban Meyer's attack, or the offense Coe previously had which was modeled after Mount Unions, pretty much to a T, which is a pro-style I formation with off-set backs, some shotgun, but a lot of play action and mesh style passing.  It just depends on the weapons they have, do they have a deep recieving core, i.e. Coe, or more downhill runners?  Both offenses have their strengths and weaknesses.  A mix of the two would be the best I believe, so that you could switch when encountering difficult elements.

Defensively Coe usually runs 4-3 Tampa 2 coverage but mixes up blitz packages effectively.

[Alfredeneumann]

 From IIAC Manual - spring practices
1. Allows teams the opportunity to engage in athletically-related activities on eight permissible institutional dates (not
per student-athlete).
2. Activities may be conducted for no more than two hours on any date classes are in session and for no more than four
hours on any non-class day.
3. The eight dates must fall within the course of a continuous three-week period, beginning no earlier that March 15.
i. A one-week period accommodating an institutions' academic calendar (i.e. spring break) may be
excluded from the three consecutive weeks, provided no athletically-related activities take place during
that time period, and it falls prior to the conclusion of the regular spring term.
4. Activities may be conducted on a maximum of three dates during each respective week. Competition versus any
outside teams is prohibited during the non-traditional segment.

I know Wartburg is waiting until May term to hold their practices.

[Walston Hoover]

A Spring game would be a great thing. Probably never happen though.

[dutchfan1]

Re: Coach Raeburn accepting the Wabash job.
Good for Raeburn -- it's a storied program that is closer to home for him. He's done great things for the Coe program during his tenure, transitioning Coe into the IIAC. I'm sure he will be missed by the Coe Family.

Coe's hire will be interesting. The program in Cedar Rapids is pretty solid. Recruiting shouldn't be too difficult for a number of reasons. It'll be interesting to see if Coe can sustain its success in the coming years...

Has anyone heard player reactions?