FB: American Rivers Conference

[youcantseeme]

Whether DeMoulin was a cancer to the team or not.  I would be a little pissed if I was him too.  He played pretty darn good for a first year starter and then was told point blank that it was not going to be an open competition for the starting QB spot this last year.  TeKippe was named the starter immediately following the end of the 2006 season.

[BeaverOfYore]

Wow, Coach Raeburn has been taking a lot of bad raps on this board. It's hard for me to believe!   I recently graduated and played for him for four years.   My experience was awesome and I appreciate everything Raeburn did for Coe.   Sometimes people forget that Coe was new to the IIAC and could have ended up like Cornell, but Raeburn brought a sense of prestige to the program coming from Mt Union.   

He might have had some flaws like most of us do, but I think he had really improved on some of those issues over the years.   It's too bad there are guys like Suckow or DeMoulin that paint a bad picture of what really went down.   They were cancers on the team and we were all glad when they left. 

There are many of my teammates that do not look or post on this board that feel the same as I do.  When some of you posters say you talked to guys on the Coe team, who were you talking with?   Some disgruntled non-starter that felt he was getting a bad deal?   I was one of our core players and felt like I knew all of my teammates.   We thought Raeburn was a great guy that just needed a supportive administration and a few more full time coaches.  Look how many of his assistant coaches have gone onto successful careers.  Raeburn held things together under very poor circumstances.   We all know Coe does not have the resources that most of their main competitors have, (i.e. facilities and coaching staff).   For him to have Coe in the conference race every year is an amazing thing.   Good Luck Coach Raeburn!  We will miss you!

This is about the same response I got from a former teammate when I bashed Osty on this board earlier this fall--surprise that someone who wasn't one of the "scrubs" didn't like him.  My guess is that the disgruntled guys, starters or otherwise, kept their opinions to themselves because it's detrimental to the team to undermine the coach's authority.  I know that I was unaware just how many people disliked or lacked respect for Osty until after he left BV.  Perhaps it's the same type of situation at Coe.

[Willie University]

Wow, Coach Raeburn has been taking a lot of bad raps on this board. It's hard for me to believe!   I recently graduated and played for him for four years.   My experience was awesome and I appreciate everything Raeburn did for Coe.   Sometimes people forget that Coe was new to the IIAC and could have ended up like Cornell, but Raeburn brought a sense of prestige to the program coming from Mt Union.  

He might have had some flaws like most of us do, but I think he had really improved on some of those issues over the years.   It's too bad there are guys like Suckow or DeMoulin that paint a bad picture of what really went down.   They were cancers on the team and we were all glad when they left.  

There are many of my teammates that do not look or post on this board that feel the same as I do.  When some of you posters say you talked to guys on the Coe team, who were you talking with?   Some disgruntled non-starter that felt he was getting a bad deal?   I was one of our core players and felt like I knew all of my teammates.   We thought Raeburn was a great guy that just needed a supportive administration and a few more full time coaches.  Look how many of his assistant coaches have gone onto successful careers.  Raeburn held things together under very poor circumstances.   We all know Coe does not have the resources that most of their main competitors have, (i.e. facilities and coaching staff).   For him to have Coe in the conference race every year is an amazing thing.   Good Luck Coach Raeburn!  We will miss you!

Personally, did not know the guy. From a football standpoint, he seemed like a good coach and did some great things to allow Coe football to remain very competitive when they joined a superior conference. As was mentioned, look at the opposite directions coe and cornell went when cornell was also considered a powerhouse in a weaker conference. I am also sure some players loved Raeburn, some hated him, and some were in the middle as with any coach. The fact was he knew how to win and did a fine job recruiting. HOWEVER, for the reasons you also mentioned above as to why he may have left or the challenges coaches at Coe face, I would be a little worried for the future of Coe football. It may be very hard to find a replacement as good as Raeburn is/was.

Willie U

[coocooforcoekohawk]

It’s too bad there are guys like Suckow or DeMoulin that paint a bad picture of what really went down.   They were cancers on the team and we were all glad when they left.  

Allow me to be the first to call BS.

God, Jesus Christ, and Sportsknight, the only three omnipotent beings in the universe.  Thanks for exposing the lies told on this chat board about the inner workings of Coe football.  I am humbled that you chose to use your great and magnificent powers to set us all straight. 
Can I get an amen sportsknight
Hallelujah!

[footballdaddy]

I'm going to have to agree with Sportsknight on this one. I find it hard to believe that losing players of that caliber would make EVERYONE happy. I'm sure there were feelings of betrayal, but you have to look at WHY they left.

[Klopenhiemer]

It's too bad there are guys like Suckow or DeMoulin that paint a bad picture of what really went down.   They were cancers on the team and we were all glad when they left.  

Allow me to be the first to call BS.

God, Jesus Christ, and Sportsknight, the only three omnipotent beings in the universe.  Thanks for exposing the lies told on this chat board about the inner workings of Coe football.  I am humbled that you chose to use your great and magnificent powers to set us all straight. 
Can I get an amen sportsknight
Hallelujah!

Coco I am going to have to agree with you on this.  Sportsknight you were the first to jump on me and claim that a 2 win team could not have a excellent highlight film.  I think I put that one to bed with my explanation. 

I think all of us who did not play at Coe or know these players have to take these comments at face value.  This is one persons opion, and even if CoeNation was a core player as he discribes, we do not know what the inner workings of the program are.  I think BOY would agree that we had good players on our teams that could be considered cancers.  The fact was we did not have anyone better to put on the field. 

A cancer does not always mean that it leads to the team loosing and moral lost.  Cancers can create off season turmoil (ie: threatening transfer), create problems (ie: run ins with the law), and create a negative image (ie: behavior on campus/classroom).  I have seen all of the above with guys that I played with. 

[Charlie Kohawk]

+k to you coocoo. I envy your freedom to call it like you see it.

As for the rest of the non-Coe posters, I've long since grown tired of your suppositions, insinuations and faulty characterizations of what the Kohawk faithful are saying. Let me be perfectly clear (and I'm speaking only for myself):

I enjoyed somewhat of a personal relationship with Coach Raeburn so, while I didn't play for or work for him, I did get to know him a bit. The man flat out knows football. While he's stubborn to a fault, name one successful coach who isn't. I'm not sure "glad to see him go" is what anyone is saying. Erik put in eight quality years as head coach of the Coe football program. As has been stated, he successfully ushered Coe into the far more competitive Iowa Conference after many years of success in the Midwest Conference.

I have no doubt he would have continued to be successful had he remained at Coe, but I'm not sure he or the college would have gained much from it. As his children entered school, it would have been harder for him to further his career by moving on to a place more likely to attain a national championship. That's not to say Coe can't win a national championship, it's just not the primary focus.

So Raeburn gets the chance to pursue his passion in a place that, by all indications, has more resources and institutional support than Coe can hope to offer. Meanwhile, Coe gets the opportunity to build on the success he has had. Save the position of quarterback, the next coach is going to inherit a team that is loaded with experience and talent. The cupboard isn't exactly bare at Coe. We'll be fine.

Should Coe have done more to keep him? No more than he did to keep Suckow. As he told me a few days after the traitor left town, without so much as a wave to his teammates and coaches, "I'm not going to beg anyone to play football for me." And Coe is not about to beg anyone to be their coach.

I wish nothing but the best for Coach Raeburn, his family and Wabash football. Coe football is the better for his time here. I see no reason to believe that trend won't continue.

[Klopenhiemer]

Wow, Coach Raeburn has been taking a lot of bad raps on this board. It's hard for me to believe!   I recently graduated and played for him for four years.   My experience was awesome and I appreciate everything Raeburn did for Coe.   Sometimes people forget that Coe was new to the IIAC and could have ended up like Cornell, but Raeburn brought a sense of prestige to the program coming from Mt Union.   

He might have had some flaws like most of us do, but I think he had really improved on some of those issues over the years.   It's too bad there are guys like Suckow or DeMoulin that paint a bad picture of what really went down.   They were cancers on the team and we were all glad when they left. 

There are many of my teammates that do not look or post on this board that feel the same as I do.  When some of you posters say you talked to guys on the Coe team, who were you talking with?   Some disgruntled non-starter that felt he was getting a bad deal?   I was one of our core players and felt like I knew all of my teammates.   We thought Raeburn was a great guy that just needed a supportive administration and a few more full time coaches.  Look how many of his assistant coaches have gone onto successful careers.  Raeburn held things together under very poor circumstances.   We all know Coe does not have the resources that most of their main competitors have, (i.e. facilities and coaching staff).   For him to have Coe in the conference race every year is an amazing thing.   Good Luck Coach Raeburn!  We will miss you!

This is about the same response I got from a former teammate when I bashed Osty on this board earlier this fall--surprise that someone who wasn't one of the "scrubs" didn't like him.  My guess is that the disgruntled guys, starters or otherwise, kept their opinions to themselves because it's detrimental to the team to undermine the coach's authority.  I know that I was unaware just how many people disliked or lacked respect for Osty until after he left BV.  Perhaps it's the same type of situation at Coe.

BOY I agree.  So atleast there are two of us out there who feel the same way.  I would be interested to hear who snapped back at your earlier this fall. 

[Klopenhiemer]

You know what im sick and tired of.  The pot calling the kettle black. 

[footballdaddy]

You know what im sick and tired of.  The pot calling the kettle black. 

You mean those who support a coach for leaving for a better opportunity while berating a plater for doing the same?

[Charlie Kohawk]

You mean those who support a coach for leaving for a better opportunity while berating a plater for doing the same?

Apples and oranges. One man more than fulfilled his commitment and looked his team in the eye before leaving. Another did neither.

[footballdaddy]

No matter how they did it, they both did the same thing. I'm sure Coach Raeburn told every high school player Coe is recruiting, along with every player on the roster, that he he was looking for another job and might not be there in the fall.

[Kohawk Krazy]

No matter how they did it, they both did the same thing. I'm sure Coach Raeburn told every high school player Coe is recruiting, along with every player on the roster, that he he was looking for another job and might not be there in the fall.

I don't believe Raeburn was looking for a job, Wabash came after him to start with is my understanding...

[The Show]

I don't believe Raeburn was looking for a job, Wabash came after him to start with is my understanding...

According to posts from this past fall:
Replace the word Raeburn with Suckow and Wabash with Wartburg... 

Sorry, couldn't resist, but that's what the  was for!

[sportsknight]

It's too bad there are guys like Suckow or DeMoulin that paint a bad picture of what really went down.   They were cancers on the team and we were all glad when they left.  

Allow me to be the first to call BS.

God, Jesus Christ, and Sportsknight, the only three omnipotent beings in the universe.  Thanks for exposing the lies told on this chat board about the inner workings of Coe football.  I am humbled that you chose to use your great and magnificent powers to set us all straight. 
Can I get an amen sportsknight
Hallelujah!

Just so we're clear:
CoeNation claims to know what each and every Coe football player thought of Suckow and DeMoulin, and that's cool.
I question that (in the court of law, I would have objected on the grounds of speculation), and I'm the know-it-all.

Yeah, that makes sense.