FB: American Rivers Conference

[Walston Hoover]

AEN, I got into town at 8:45  for the 9:00 start, swung by the Hut for a free lunch and a quick tour of the W with one of the A-P coaches' wives I was with, and was out of town by 3 to get back. I will look you up next time. I did put in a couple good words about the goat to the guys I was with.
Is there some connection between the Goat and Hooters?

[DutchFan2004]

Has anyone done some of the matchups with the computer picking with teams.  Not all that far off from what I can see.  One surprise I saw was that the 2007 Dutch win 24 out of 25 against Linfield at home.  When the Dutch are on the road at Linfield they win 23 out of 25.  I didn't think that Linfield was that far down.  I know they didnt make the playoffs but 47 out of 50.  I wonder how this thing works. 

Switch QB's for the Dutch and let's see how the games turn out then!!! 

Then maybe it's 20 of 25 at home and 15 of 25 at Linfield 

By the way...in the computer similation did Central still beat Dubuque with a blocked field goal that still went through the uprights in 3 OT's!!!

I didn't run the away 25 but Central wins at home against the Spartans 25 out of 25. 

[Walston Hoover]

Depends on where he lives right now. If you are not in P-burg, then at the moment you will want to consider the short term. If he is any good Eddie T will be up on the roof with him.

Question for the Board:

If my son (9th grader) was re-roofing a house in Parkersburg to fix some tornado damage.  Is that similar to signing a letter of intent to W?

Walston Hoover - any wedding stories?  Glad to see a Knight marrying up and finding a Central grad to improve bloodlines.   

[doolittledog]

Has anyone done some of the matchups with the computer picking with teams.  Not all that far off from what I can see.  One surprise I saw was that the 2007 Dutch win 24 out of 25 against Linfield at home.  When the Dutch are on the road at Linfield they win 23 out of 25.  I didn't think that Linfield was that far down.  I know they didnt make the playoffs but 47 out of 50.  I wonder how this thing works. 

Switch QB's for the Dutch and let's see how the games turn out then!!! 

Then maybe it's 20 of 25 at home and 15 of 25 at Linfield 

By the way...in the computer similation did Central still beat Dubuque with a blocked field goal that still went through the uprights in 3 OT's!!!

I didn't run the away 25 but Central wins at home against the Spartans 25 out of 25. 

I ran it...Central won 20 out of 25!!!  I also ran Dubuque at Redlands and Redlands won 16 out of 25 so I'm thinking your son will continue his winning streak over Dubuque for another year.  But maybe in 2009 that streak comes to an end because it had Dubuque beating Redlands in Dubuque 18 out of 25...so there you go 

[DutchFan2004]

Has anyone done some of the matchups with the computer picking with teams.  Not all that far off from what I can see.  One surprise I saw was that the 2007 Dutch win 24 out of 25 against Linfield at home.  When the Dutch are on the road at Linfield they win 23 out of 25.  I didn't think that Linfield was that far down.  I know they didnt make the playoffs but 47 out of 50.  I wonder how this thing works. 

Switch QB's for the Dutch and let's see how the games turn out then!!! 

Then maybe it's 20 of 25 at home and 15 of 25 at Linfield 

By the way...in the computer similation did Central still beat Dubuque with a blocked field goal that still went through the uprights in 3 OT's!!!

I didn't run the away 25 but Central wins at home against the Spartans 25 out of 25. 

I ran it...Central won 20 out of 25!!!  I also ran Dubuque at Redlands and Redlands won 16 out of 25 so I'm thinking your son will continue his winning streak over Dubuque for another year.  But maybe in 2009 that streak comes to an end because it had Dubuque beating Redlands in Dubuque 18 out of 25...so there you go 

Well you have hope as my son is coaching and not playing.  These are the results of the 2007 team and not 2008.  So maybe Redlands is not as much of a favorite as you think.  2009 is way off so maybe there is a chance.  You never know though.  Maybe having a coach on the sidelines will help Redlands more.   

[warthog]

AEN:

Maybe it is time for Janesville to consolidate with WSR.  Move your displaced students to the Janesville building and the Janesville high schoolers to Waverly.  Everyone gets housed and there would be little need for additional facilities.

Then to stir the pot a little more.  Perhaps a second round of consolidation should take place to the west of Waverly.  If a new building is going to be necessary for A-P, why not move it out in the country, double the size and bring in another district or two?

Nothing like school consolidation talk to get the natives restless in small town Iowa.  I know this can be a sore subject with some people. I grew up in a small school district. (One of the few which seem to be able to contend with A-P when they are assigned the same football district)  I'm convinced that the opportunities for a wider variety of academic offerings and extra-cirricular choices at the 4A school the little Warthogs attended was to their advantage over what was offered to me in a 1A/2A setting.

Let the battle begin.

[Alfredeneumann]

AEN, I got into town at 8:45  for the 9:00 start, swung by the Hut for a free lunch and a quick tour of the W with one of the A-P coaches' wives I was with, and was out of town by 3 to get back. I will look you up next time. I did put in a couple good words about the goat to the guys I was with.
Is there some connection between the Goat and Hooters?

Yes. Suzy Johnson is a partial owner of the Goat and was the marketing director for Hooters years ago.

[Alfredeneumann]

AEN:

Maybe it is time for Janesville to consolidate with WSR.  Move your displaced students to the Janesville building and the Janesville high schoolers to Waverly.  Everyone gets housed and there would be little need for additional facilities.

Then to stir the pot a little more.  Perhaps a second round of consolidation should take place to the west of Waverly.  If a new building is going to be necessary for A-P, why not move it out in the country, double the size and bring in another district or two?

Nothing like school consolidation talk to get the natives restless in small town Iowa.  I know this can be a sore subject with some people. I grew up in a small school district. (One of the few which seem to be able to contend with A-P when they are assigned the same football district)  I'm convinced that the opportunities for a wider variety of academic offerings and extra-cirricular choices at the 4A school the little Warthogs attended was to their advantage over what was offered to me in a 1A/2A setting.

Let the battle begin.

Warthog - Good idea, While the high school students would Janesville benefit from the greater opportunities by attending W-SR. (Quite a few already spend 1/2 a day @ W-SR) And having middle school kids "IN A SCHOOL" would be great. Getting a consolidation /grade sharing deal worked out in less than 2 months "AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN".

Also W-SR is a large 3A school in most sports. Wrestling they are in the BIGGEST class and girls soccer they are in the smaller class.

[Walston Hoover]

AEN:

Maybe it is time for Janesville to consolidate with WSR.  Move your displaced students to the Janesville building and the Janesville high schoolers to Waverly.  Everyone gets housed and there would be little need for additional facilities.

Then to stir the pot a little more.  Perhaps a second round of consolidation should take place to the west of Waverly.  If a new building is going to be necessary for A-P, why not move it out in the country, double the size and bring in another district or two?

Nothing like school consolidation talk to get the natives restless in small town Iowa.  I know this can be a sore subject with some people. I grew up in a small school district. (One of the few which seem to be able to contend with A-P when they are assigned the same football district)  I'm convinced that the opportunities for a wider variety of academic offerings and extra-cirricular choices at the 4A school the little Warthogs attended was to their advantage over what was offered to me in a 1A/2A setting.

Let the battle begin.

A-P school district roughly a month before the tornado hit passed a bond issue for a auditorium much larger than what is actually needed for a district this size. One of the main selling points was that sometime in the not-so-distant future, it would not surprise anyone to have another round of consolidations and a great reason to have the HS in Parkersburg would be a huge, nice auditorium. Don't think that won't be taken into consideration when building the new HS now. I'm not sure if it would be with D-NH or North Butler, Maybe both and just call it Butler County School District.
I will wholeheartedly disagree about the small school/big school. I see what my wife and I were able to do at a small school and it is much more than what kids in the larger district are able to do. We were each 4-sport athletes, my wife all conference in all of them, played in the band, sang in the choir, were in speech, and acted in plays and musicals. Not a single kid in the large school districts we are connected to right now can say that. In fact, many are forced to pick one sport as early as third grade because if they don't make that particular travelling team then, they don't have another shot until HS and by then they have given up. I speak with one of the band directors in ANkeny on a weekly basis and very few kids here are even able to swing the band/choir combination, let alone add a sport to that. Without every kid doing everything at a small school, you wouldn't even have a band, choir, or sports teams.
With the Iowa Communications Network and classes being able to be taken on-line, kids can study pretty much anything they want

[the_mayne_event]

AEN:

Maybe it is time for Janesville to consolidate with WSR.  Move your displaced students to the Janesville building and the Janesville high schoolers to Waverly.  Everyone gets housed and there would be little need for additional facilities.

Then to stir the pot a little more.  Perhaps a second round of consolidation should take place to the west of Waverly.  If a new building is going to be necessary for A-P, why not move it out in the country, double the size and bring in another district or two?

Nothing like school consolidation talk to get the natives restless in small town Iowa.  I know this can be a sore subject with some people. I grew up in a small school district. (One of the few which seem to be able to contend with A-P when they are assigned the same football district)  I'm convinced that the opportunities for a wider variety of academic offerings and extra-cirricular choices at the 4A school the little Warthogs attended was to their advantage over what was offered to me in a 1A/2A setting.

Let the battle begin.

Warthog - Good idea, While the high school students would Janesville benefit from the greater opportunities by attending W-SR. (Quite a few already spend 1/2 a day @ W-SR) And having middle school kids "IN A SCHOOL" would be great. Getting a consolidation /grade sharing deal worked out in less than 2 months "AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN".

Also W-SR is a large 3A school in most sports. Wrestling they are in the BIGGEST class and girls soccer they are in the smaller class.

i half heartedly agree with your statement about 1A/2A, even some 3A vs a 4A school.  i think that the biggest advantage of 4A schools are the cultural differences and backgrounds of its students.  you wouldn't necessarly get that by combining a bunch of farm schools into one school, becuase every kid is essentially the same.  i actually think that 1A-3A schools are better off academically becasue of the smaller class size, something that everyone (or near everyone) on the board took advantage of attending a smaller IIAC school then UNI, Iowa, or IS(who?).  teachers seem to care about students more at smaller schools because they have the time to (which is a bad way to put it, but in some cases it's true).  at larger schools some teachers are just happy the kid shows up and doens't distract the other kids in the class room.
i bet if you did a study about 4A vs 1A-3A (which would probably be about the same class size) and looked at graduation rates of high school, and then also look at graduation of those same students at the college level, they would be higher on the small school side.

[the_mayne_event]

AEN:

Maybe it is time for Janesville to consolidate with WSR.  Move your displaced students to the Janesville building and the Janesville high schoolers to Waverly.  Everyone gets housed and there would be little need for additional facilities.

Then to stir the pot a little more.  Perhaps a second round of consolidation should take place to the west of Waverly.  If a new building is going to be necessary for A-P, why not move it out in the country, double the size and bring in another district or two?

Nothing like school consolidation talk to get the natives restless in small town Iowa.  I know this can be a sore subject with some people. I grew up in a small school district. (One of the few which seem to be able to contend with A-P when they are assigned the same football district)  I'm convinced that the opportunities for a wider variety of academic offerings and extra-cirricular choices at the 4A school the little Warthogs attended was to their advantage over what was offered to me in a 1A/2A setting.

Let the battle begin.

A-P school district roughly a month before the tornado hit passed a bond issue for a auditorium much larger than what is actually needed for a district this size. One of the main selling points was that sometime in the not-so-distant future, it would not surprise anyone to have another round of consolidations and a great reason to have the HS in Parkersburg would be a huge, nice auditorium. Don't think that won't be taken into consideration when building the new HS now. I'm not sure if it would be with D-NH or North Butler, Maybe both and just call it Butler County School District.
I will wholeheartedly disagree about the small school/big school. I see what my wife and I were able to do at a small school and it is much more than what kids in the larger district are able to do. We were each 4-sport athletes, my wife all conference in all of them, played in the band, sang in the choir, were in speech, and acted in plays and musicals. Not a single kid in the large school districts we are connected to right now can say that. In fact, many are forced to pick one sport as early as third grade because if they don't make that particular travelling team then, they don't have another shot until HS and by then they have given up. I speak with one of the band directors in ANkeny on a weekly basis and very few kids here are even able to swing the band/choir combination, let alone add a sport to that. Without every kid doing everything at a small school, you wouldn't even have a band, choir, or sports teams.
With the Iowa Communications Network and classes being able to be taken on-line, kids can study pretty much anything they want

i agree 100%.  i went to Waterloo Columbus, we had everything Waterloo East/West and Cedar Falls did academic and extra-cirricular that they had, with an addition to trap-shooting (which i always thought was a wierd high school sport)  we combined swimming with west and east, and hockey with all three.
i do know that there are some smaller 3A and 1A/2A schools that don't have sports like soccer or golf or tennis, but usually those schools are able to make some sort of deal with a school near by to play.
Walnut Ridge (1A school in W'loo didnt have football, so kids could go play for West)-- i believe Janesville did also.
Don Bosco didnt have football until about 3 years ago, and combined with Columbus

[New Storm]

AEN:

Maybe it is time for Janesville to consolidate with WSR.  Move your displaced students to the Janesville building and the Janesville high schoolers to Waverly.  Everyone gets housed and there would be little need for additional facilities.

Then to stir the pot a little more.  Perhaps a second round of consolidation should take place to the west of Waverly.  If a new building is going to be necessary for A-P, why not move it out in the country, double the size and bring in another district or two?

Nothing like school consolidation talk to get the natives restless in small town Iowa.  I know this can be a sore subject with some people. I grew up in a small school district. (One of the few which seem to be able to contend with A-P when they are assigned the same football district)  I'm convinced that the opportunities for a wider variety of academic offerings and extra-cirricular choices at the 4A school the little Warthogs attended was to their advantage over what was offered to me in a 1A/2A setting.

Let the battle begin.

A-P school district roughly a month before the tornado hit passed a bond issue for a auditorium much larger than what is actually needed for a district this size. One of the main selling points was that sometime in the not-so-distant future, it would not surprise anyone to have another round of consolidations and a great reason to have the HS in Parkersburg would be a huge, nice auditorium. Don't think that won't be taken into consideration when building the new HS now. I'm not sure if it would be with D-NH or North Butler, Maybe both and just call it Butler County School District.
I will wholeheartedly disagree about the small school/big school. I see what my wife and I were able to do at a small school and it is much more than what kids in the larger district are able to do. We were each 4-sport athletes, my wife all conference in all of them, played in the band, sang in the choir, were in speech, and acted in plays and musicals. Not a single kid in the large school districts we are connected to right now can say that. In fact, many are forced to pick one sport as early as third grade because if they don't make that particular travelling team then, they don't have another shot until HS and by then they have given up. I speak with one of the band directors in ANkeny on a weekly basis and very few kids here are even able to swing the band/choir combination, let alone add a sport to that. Without every kid doing everything at a small school, you wouldn't even have a band, choir, or sports teams.
With the Iowa Communications Network and classes being able to be taken on-line, kids can study pretty much anything they want

And Battle it is there are good and bad for both large and small schools. Some kids like the small school while others need the large school. Hoover you have a great argument going all the way to the State House

[DutchFan2004]

AEN:

Maybe it is time for Janesville to consolidate with WSR.  Move your displaced students to the Janesville building and the Janesville high schoolers to Waverly.  Everyone gets housed and there would be little need for additional facilities.

Then to stir the pot a little more.  Perhaps a second round of consolidation should take place to the west of Waverly.  If a new building is going to be necessary for A-P, why not move it out in the country, double the size and bring in another district or two?

Nothing like school consolidation talk to get the natives restless in small town Iowa.  I know this can be a sore subject with some people. I grew up in a small school district. (One of the few which seem to be able to contend with A-P when they are assigned the same football district)  I'm convinced that the opportunities for a wider variety of academic offerings and extra-cirricular choices at the 4A school the little Warthogs attended was to their advantage over what was offered to me in a 1A/2A setting.

Let the battle begin.

Warthog - Good idea, While the high school students would Janesville benefit from the greater opportunities by attending W-SR. (Quite a few already spend 1/2 a day @ W-SR) And having middle school kids "IN A SCHOOL" would be great. Getting a consolidation /grade sharing deal worked out in less than 2 months "AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN".

Also W-SR is a large 3A school in most sports. Wrestling they are in the BIGGEST class and girls soccer they are in the smaller class.

i half heartedly agree with your statement about 1A/2A, even some 3A vs a 4A school.  i think that the biggest advantage of 4A schools are the cultural differences and backgrounds of its students.  you wouldn't necessarly get that by combining a bunch of farm schools into one school, becuase every kid is essentially the same.  i actually think that 1A-3A schools are better off academically becasue of the smaller class size, something that everyone (or near everyone) on the board took advantage of attending a smaller IIAC school then UNI, Iowa, or IS(who?).  teachers seem to care about students more at smaller schools because they have the time to (which is a bad way to put it, but in some cases it's true).  at larger schools some teachers are just happy the kid shows up and doens't distract the other kids in the class room.
i bet if you did a study about 4A vs 1A-3A (which would probably be about the same class size) and looked at graduation rates of high school, and then also look at graduation of those same students at the college level, they would be higher on the small school side.

I disagree with you about the multi cultural "advantage" you speak of.  I think that is one of the down falls of our country.  Our greatest assest as United States Americans was that we set our cultural differences aside and became this melting pot.  Trying to bridge those differences and bound us together.  My greatgrandmother came from Germany, her husband from Poland.  She would not allow either language to be spoken because they were Americans now.  We do need to come together and have a common purpose.  One that unites us not keeps us apart.  To be friends with different people sure but to have separate cultures we can not stand united.  The size of the school is not an issue.  The closeness of the school is.  If the school is a close knit school of kids that have pride and care for each other that is the important thing.  I will never forget that when the youngest went off to Central there was another kid that was in his orientation group.  He was from a team that we had beaten in the playoffs.  His mom told me after that her son came out and said he could not believe that my son was a nice kid and he liked him.  When the kids go off to college they get melted again together.  If the kids are more willing to come together than be separate our country will be better off.

[DutchFan2004]

AEN:

Maybe it is time for Janesville to consolidate with WSR.  Move your displaced students to the Janesville building and the Janesville high schoolers to Waverly.  Everyone gets housed and there would be little need for additional facilities.

Then to stir the pot a little more.  Perhaps a second round of consolidation should take place to the west of Waverly.  If a new building is going to be necessary for A-P, why not move it out in the country, double the size and bring in another district or two?

Nothing like school consolidation talk to get the natives restless in small town Iowa.  I know this can be a sore subject with some people. I grew up in a small school district. (One of the few which seem to be able to contend with A-P when they are assigned the same football district)  I'm convinced that the opportunities for a wider variety of academic offerings and extra-cirricular choices at the 4A school the little Warthogs attended was to their advantage over what was offered to me in a 1A/2A setting.

Let the battle begin.

A-P school district roughly a month before the tornado hit passed a bond issue for a auditorium much larger than what is actually needed for a district this size. One of the main selling points was that sometime in the not-so-distant future, it would not surprise anyone to have another round of consolidations and a great reason to have the HS in Parkersburg would be a huge, nice auditorium. Don't think that won't be taken into consideration when building the new HS now. I'm not sure if it would be with D-NH or North Butler, Maybe both and just call it Butler County School District.
I will wholeheartedly disagree about the small school/big school. I see what my wife and I were able to do at a small school and it is much more than what kids in the larger district are able to do. We were each 4-sport athletes, my wife all conference in all of them, played in the band, sang in the choir, were in speech, and acted in plays and musicals. Not a single kid in the large school districts we are connected to right now can say that. In fact, many are forced to pick one sport as early as third grade because if they don't make that particular travelling team then, they don't have another shot until HS and by then they have given up. I speak with one of the band directors in ANkeny on a weekly basis and very few kids here are even able to swing the band/choir combination, let alone add a sport to that. Without every kid doing everything at a small school, you wouldn't even have a band, choir, or sports teams.
With the Iowa Communications Network and classes being able to be taken on-line, kids can study pretty much anything they want

I agree with you Walston.  Having graduated from a 3A school and raised 4 boys in a 1A school I do think there are so many opportunities for kids in this size school.  You do know all the kids in your school.  You have more chances to be a part of something.  The kids can find their niche.  The ICN is under used IMHO. 

[the_mayne_event]

AEN:

Maybe it is time for Janesville to consolidate with WSR.  Move your displaced students to the Janesville building and the Janesville high schoolers to Waverly.  Everyone gets housed and there would be little need for additional facilities.

Then to stir the pot a little more.  Perhaps a second round of consolidation should take place to the west of Waverly.  If a new building is going to be necessary for A-P, why not move it out in the country, double the size and bring in another district or two?

Nothing like school consolidation talk to get the natives restless in small town Iowa.  I know this can be a sore subject with some people. I grew up in a small school district. (One of the few which seem to be able to contend with A-P when they are assigned the same football district)  I'm convinced that the opportunities for a wider variety of academic offerings and extra-cirricular choices at the 4A school the little Warthogs attended was to their advantage over what was offered to me in a 1A/2A setting.

Let the battle begin.

Warthog - Good idea, While the high school students would Janesville benefit from the greater opportunities by attending W-SR. (Quite a few already spend 1/2 a day @ W-SR) And having middle school kids "IN A SCHOOL" would be great. Getting a consolidation /grade sharing deal worked out in less than 2 months "AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN".

Also W-SR is a large 3A school in most sports. Wrestling they are in the BIGGEST class and girls soccer they are in the smaller class.

i half heartedly agree with your statement about 1A/2A, even some 3A vs a 4A school.  i think that the biggest advantage of 4A schools are the cultural differences and backgrounds of its students.  you wouldn't necessarly get that by combining a bunch of farm schools into one school, becuase every kid is essentially the same.  i actually think that 1A-3A schools are better off academically becasue of the smaller class size, something that everyone (or near everyone) on the board took advantage of attending a smaller IIAC school then UNI, Iowa, or IS(who?).  teachers seem to care about students more at smaller schools because they have the time to (which is a bad way to put it, but in some cases it's true).  at larger schools some teachers are just happy the kid shows up and doens't distract the other kids in the class room.
i bet if you did a study about 4A vs 1A-3A (which would probably be about the same class size) and looked at graduation rates of high school, and then also look at graduation of those same students at the college level, they would be higher on the small school side.

I disagree with you about the multi cultural "advantage" you speak of.  I think that is one of the down falls of our country.  Our greatest assest as United States Americans was that we set our cultural differences aside and became this melting pot.  Trying to bridge those differences and bound us together.  My greatgrandmother came from Germany, her husband from Poland.  She would not allow either language to be spoken because they were Americans now.  We do need to come together and have a common purpose.  One that unites us not keeps us apart.  To be friends with different people sure but to have separate cultures we can not stand united.  The size of the school is not an issue.  The closeness of the school is.  If the school is a close knit school of kids that have pride and care for each other that is the important thing.  I will never forget that when the youngest went off to Central there was another kid that was in his orientation group.  He was from a team that we had beaten in the playoffs.  His mom told me after that her son came out and said he could not believe that my son was a nice kid and he liked him.  When the kids go off to college they get melted again together.  If the kids are more willing to come together than be separate our country will be better off.

one of the downfalls of the country is that we are from different cultures and backgrounds? 
isnt that the point of America?  to be able to choose religions, cultures, and do with them what you will?  we are all americans, but different people have different traditions and such and we are supposed to throw them away?  should we not celebrate st. patricks day because we are not "irish"?  how is that a disadvantage to begin to understand the differences in american society at a young age, rather then when you are 18,19,20 years old and you all ready have yoru own ideas and opinions about your own culture, upbringing, and background?