FB: American Rivers Conference

[TheOne89.1]

sk... you went to high school for 7 years???

Let me try to break it down for you:  When I came in as a freshman, there were three classes older than me.  When I graduated, there were three classes younger than me.  Add in my class (3+3+1=7) and that's where 7 comes from.

You see, Comm. Arts majors can do math.

[TheOne89.1]

SK,

I too am Irish on both sides.  IMHO a part of the Irish culture was that it could not sustain itself because of the blight.  The ability for ones country or culture to feed itself is part of that culture is it not.  For what ever reason it is. 

Actually, the Irish would have been able to feed themselves and survive the famine if the British weren't stealing all their other food sources and shipping them off to England.  Its a common misconception that potatoes were all that the Irish grew.  That's just not the case.  They raised cattle and sheep, grew corn, and fished.  But because of the subjegation by the Limeys, the couldn't eat what they were raising.

What the British did to the Irish from the Rebellion of 1641 up through Ireland gaining its independence in 1922 basically amounts to ethnic cleansing.  Under the penal laws following the Battle of the Boyne, land was taken away from Irish owners and given to Protestant colonists loyal to the throne.  The Irish still had to work the land and by exorbitant rents to their English overlords.  By the time of the Famine in the 1840s, the potato had become a staple of the Irish diet, and when that crop failed and the Irish were unable to keep any of the other food they were developing, many were forced to leave their homeland or die.  There are many accounts of Irish people being found dead with their lips and tongues turned green because they had become so hungry that they tried to eat grass.  In fact, there's a line from an old Irish folk song called "The Fields of Athenry" that talks about a young father being loaded up onto a prisoner ship and being sent away to Australia.  They line goes "Michael they have taken you away, for you stole Trevelyan's corn, so the young might see the morn, now a prison ship lies waiting in the bay."

As much as I realize that it isn't exactly a great academic source, the Irish History section at Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_history has a lot of good info.

Watch out Dr. Terry Lindell...SK is coming for your job.

[sportsknight]

I don't have the thumbs for it.

[DutchFan2004]

SK,

I too am Irish on both sides.  IMHO a part of the Irish culture was that it could not sustain itself because of the blight.  The ability for ones country or culture to feed itself is part of that culture is it not.  For what ever reason it is. 

Actually, the Irish would have been able to feed themselves and survive the famine if the British weren't stealing all their other food sources and shipping them off to England.  Its a common misconception that potatoes were all that the Irish grew.  That's just not the case.  They raised cattle and sheep, grew corn, and fished.  But because of the subjegation by the Limeys, the couldn't eat what they were raising.

What the British did to the Irish from the Rebellion of 1641 up through Ireland gaining its independence in 1922 basically amounts to ethnic cleansing.  Under the penal laws following the Battle of the Boyne, land was taken away from Irish owners and given to Protestant colonists loyal to the throne.  The Irish still had to work the land and by exorbitant rents to their English overlords.  By the time of the Famine in the 1840s, the potato had become a staple of the Irish diet, and when that crop failed and the Irish were unable to keep any of the other food they were developing, many were forced to leave their homeland or die.  There are many accounts of Irish people being found dead with their lips and tongues turned green because they had become so hungry that they tried to eat grass.  In fact, there's a line from an old Irish folk song called "The Fields of Athenry" that talks about a young father being loaded up onto a prisoner ship and being sent away to Australia.  They line goes "Michael they have taken you away, for you stole Trevelyan's corn, so the young might see the morn, now a prison ship lies waiting in the bay."

As much as I realize that it isn't exactly a great academic source, the Irish History section at Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_history has a lot of good info.

Wasn't being ruled by the British also a part of their culture?  I agree with the point that the Irish had to supply the British with much of their food, but that was part of their society and culture.  The freedom of the US was part of the reasons the Irish came to the US.  So they could prosper and have their own food and destiny.  All going back to my point.  If things were good where the people are they do not leave.  For what ever reasons people come to where they can prosper and have the freedom to make what ever they can out of their lives. 

[sportsknight]

SK,

I too am Irish on both sides.  IMHO a part of the Irish culture was that it could not sustain itself because of the blight.  The ability for ones country or culture to feed itself is part of that culture is it not.  For what ever reason it is. 

Actually, the Irish would have been able to feed themselves and survive the famine if the British weren't stealing all their other food sources and shipping them off to England.  Its a common misconception that potatoes were all that the Irish grew.  That's just not the case.  They raised cattle and sheep, grew corn, and fished.  But because of the subjegation by the Limeys, the couldn't eat what they were raising.

What the British did to the Irish from the Rebellion of 1641 up through Ireland gaining its independence in 1922 basically amounts to ethnic cleansing.  Under the penal laws following the Battle of the Boyne, land was taken away from Irish owners and given to Protestant colonists loyal to the throne.  The Irish still had to work the land and by exorbitant rents to their English overlords.  By the time of the Famine in the 1840s, the potato had become a staple of the Irish diet, and when that crop failed and the Irish were unable to keep any of the other food they were developing, many were forced to leave their homeland or die.  There are many accounts of Irish people being found dead with their lips and tongues turned green because they had become so hungry that they tried to eat grass.  In fact, there's a line from an old Irish folk song called "The Fields of Athenry" that talks about a young father being loaded up onto a prisoner ship and being sent away to Australia.  They line goes "Michael they have taken you away, for you stole Trevelyan's corn, so the young might see the morn, now a prison ship lies waiting in the bay."

As much as I realize that it isn't exactly a great academic source, the Irish History section at Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_history has a lot of good info.

Wasn't being ruled by the British also a part of their culture?  I agree with the point that the Irish had to supply the British with much of their food, but that was part of their society and culture.  The freedom of the US was part of the reasons the Irish came to the US.  So they could prosper and have their own food and destiny.  All going back to my point.  If things were good where the people are they do not leave.  For what ever reasons people come to where they can prosper and have the freedom to make what ever they can out of their lives. 

I'd actually argue that has nothin to do with Irish culture.  Irish history, yes, but not culture.  A place's culture has a ot more to do with their music, literature, and customs.  To say that their treatment by the British is a part of Ireland's culture is akin to saying that getting rounded up and put on slave ships is part of African culture.

[DutchFan2004]

I would argue that it is a part of the African Culture when they themselves say it is.  The African people there may not say it is afftecting them, but the African decendants here say that it has affected them.  All of the above affect the culture and attitudes of its people.  To say that the British did not affect the Irish culture would be saying that Vietnam did not affect ours would it not?

[Mr. Ypsi]

History IS a part of culture.  Jewish culture pays much homage to the Exodus from Egypt, the destruction of the Temple, a thousand years of ghettoes, and now the Shoah.  Some parts of African cultureS are affected by slave-trading (not all African cultures were touched by it), and obviously African-American culture was greatly shaped by slavery.

So yes, Irish culture is greatly affected by 300 years of virtual serfdom, though obviously there are other influences as well (some probably more influential).

[doolittledog]

How many days until Sept. 6th???

[DBQ1965]

How many days until Sept. 6th???

70

[wartknight]

SK,

I too am Irish on both sides.  IMHO a part of the Irish culture was that it could not sustain itself because of the blight.  The ability for ones country or culture to feed itself is part of that culture is it not.  For what ever reason it is. 

Actually, the Irish would have been able to feed themselves and survive the famine if the British weren't stealing all their other food sources and shipping them off to England.  Its a common misconception that potatoes were all that the Irish grew.  That's just not the case.  They raised cattle and sheep, grew corn, and fished.  But because of the subjegation by the Limeys, the couldn't eat what they were raising.

What the British did to the Irish from the Rebellion of 1641 up through Ireland gaining its independence in 1922 basically amounts to ethnic cleansing.  Under the penal laws following the Battle of the Boyne, land was taken away from Irish owners and given to Protestant colonists loyal to the throne.  The Irish still had to work the land and by exorbitant rents to their English overlords.  By the time of the Famine in the 1840s, the potato had become a staple of the Irish diet, and when that crop failed and the Irish were unable to keep any of the other food they were developing, many were forced to leave their homeland or die.  There are many accounts of Irish people being found dead with their lips and tongues turned green because they had become so hungry that they tried to eat grass.  In fact, there's a line from an old Irish folk song called "The Fields of Athenry" that talks about a young father being loaded up onto a prisoner ship and being sent away to Australia.  They line goes "Michael they have taken you away, for you stole Trevelyan's corn, so the young might see the morn, now a prison ship lies waiting in the bay."

As much as I realize that it isn't exactly a great academic source, the Irish History section at Wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irish_history has a lot of good info.

Thanks Clffy!!! lol

[New Storm]

How many days until Sept. 6th???

70

And next week is July so as we talked earlier the intensity will pick up as camp get closer

[DBQ1965]

With all the references to Ireland and England, let's not forget about Wales and its stuggle for independence.  Cymru'n un!

[DutchFan2004]

70 and three hours till kickoff.

[Klopenhiemer]

With all the references to Ireland and England, let's not forget about Wales and its stuggle for independence.  Cymru'n un!

And let's not forget about the starving pygmies in New Guinea either

[DutchFan2004]

USA Rankings were out and Central was put in at 14 and Wartburg at 17.  No surpirse as MUC was #1.