FB: American Rivers Conference

[Purple Heys]

Here is an up-date, as of Monday morning, July 7.

IIAC FAN BASE

UD:  dolittledog, DBQ1965, Spurrier, WillieU, Keith45

Central:  dutchFan2004, Dutchfan1

Wartburg:  Walston Hoover, sportsknight, Wartburg Fan, footballdaddy

Luther:  Ram2

BV:  The Show, Klopenheimer, BeaverOfYore

Coe:

Cornell:  Purple Heys, Ash Park

Loras:

Simpson:

[Purple Heys]

Here are my current picks

Wartburg
Coe
Loras
Central
Buena Vista
Cornell
UD
Luther
Simpson

Suprise team of the year is Loras going from 2-8 to 6-4!

Based on the Rams being IIAC winless in the past few years, and how most posters believe that trend will continue...it would seem that it would take only 1 win for Cornell to be surprise team of the year.

For the record, I will be surprised if they don't win an IIAC game this year.

[Ash Park]

DF2004- Geez, I realize that Dutch fans think SC grads are idiots, but I'm pretty sure most of us know that non-conference games don't count in the conference standings.  I never said that the non-conference games would help in the standings. However, I'm pretty sure I said it would help in the way of confidence. Anyway, thanks for explaining that to me.

Ash Park- I have a hard time believing Grand View will win very many games this year. Most new programs will have two years of JV before going to a full varsity schedule and even then, wins are generally few. GV is jumping in the deep end and it could be ugly this year. Unless you have transfers with real game experience, the majority of the guys you're sending out onto the field were playing on Friday nights last year.

I've been wrong before, but I predict the Northwestern game will be closer than the Grand View game.

I agree that they will not win very many games, but they will definitely have more talent than Northwestern....doesn't mean they will start off being a better TEAM. Just from my conversation with Coach Woodley I think they will be a better opponent than Northwestern in the long run.

[KCDutch]

SC grads are idiots

I couldn't agree more stormchaser.....

[New Storm]

DF2004- Geez, I realize that Dutch fans think SC grads are idiots, but I'm pretty sure most of us know that non-conference games don't count in the conference standings.  I never said that the non-conference games would help in the standings. However, I'm pretty sure I said it would help in the way of confidence. Anyway, thanks for explaining that to me.

Ash Park- I have a hard time believing Grand View will win very many games this year. Most new programs will have two years of JV before going to a full varsity schedule and even then, wins are generally few. GV is jumping in the deep end and it could be ugly this year. Unless you have transfers with real game experience, the majority of the guys you're sending out onto the field were playing on Friday nights last year.

I've been wrong before, but I predict the Northwestern game will be closer than the Grand View game.

I agree that they will not win very many games, but they will definitely have more talent than Northwestern....doesn't mean they will start off being a better TEAM. Just from my conversation with Coach Woodley I think they will be a better opponent than Northwestern in the long run.

Ash Park I agree with you Woodley will bring in those Texas players and they will know how to play. The key will be how many games till there used to each other. I think they will have better individual talent but Northwestern will be more of a team.Make sense???

[sc_stormchaser]

Pat - there are a couple NAIA teams here in Iowa that have recently started football programs. They used a JV schedule for the first two years of play. I couldn't think of any DIII in the area that have recently started football, so the NAIA teams, including Grand View, are really the only ones I could think of as a measure.

[dutchfan1]

Here are my current picks

Wartburg
Coe
Loras
Central
Buena Vista
Cornell
UD
Luther
Simpson

Suprise team of the year is Loras going from 2-8 to 6-4!

Based on the Rams being IIAC winless in the past few years, and how most posters believe that trend will continue...it would seem that it would take only 1 win for Cornell to be surprise team of the year.

For the record, I will be surprised if they don't win an IIAC game this year.

When they joined the conference, Cornell had a decent run, winning 6 or 7 games the first year. Everyone was sort of excited -- it was around the same time that the IIAC dropped Wm. Penn and UIU went to D2, so we were excited about the prospect of actual competition returning to the conference. I'm not sure what happened, but I never (in those first couple of years) thought that Cornell would go through a season winless. Back in the day, UD was the conference whipping boy -- I didn't think I would ever see the day that they would contend for the title. Back in the day Simpson was always good, but Central and Wartburg were the teams to beat.

So you see, the more things change, the more they stay the same. 

I think winning a couple of games is a reachable goal for Cornell. It's possible to win in Ash Park. Start pulling the upsets like UD did.

[Ash Park]

DF2004- Geez, I realize that Dutch fans think SC grads are idiots, but I'm pretty sure most of us know that non-conference games don't count in the conference standings.  I never said that the non-conference games would help in the standings. However, I'm pretty sure I said it would help in the way of confidence. Anyway, thanks for explaining that to me.

Ash Park- I have a hard time believing Grand View will win very many games this year. Most new programs will have two years of JV before going to a full varsity schedule and even then, wins are generally few. GV is jumping in the deep end and it could be ugly this year. Unless you have transfers with real game experience, the majority of the guys you're sending out onto the field were playing on Friday nights last year.

I've been wrong before, but I predict the Northwestern game will be closer than the Grand View game.

I agree that they will not win very many games, but they will definitely have more talent than Northwestern....doesn't mean they will start off being a better TEAM. Just from my conversation with Coach Woodley I think they will be a better opponent than Northwestern in the long run.

Ash Park I agree with you Woodley will bring in those Texas players and they will know how to play. The key will be how many games till there used to each other. I think they will have better individual talent but Northwestern will be more of a team.Make sense???

Yup and I think we were both saying the same thing just in different ways. 

[Ash Park]

Here are my current picks

Wartburg
Coe
Loras
Central
Buena Vista
Cornell
UD
Luther
Simpson

Suprise team of the year is Loras going from 2-8 to 6-4!

Based on the Rams being IIAC winless in the past few years, and how most posters believe that trend will continue...it would seem that it would take only 1 win for Cornell to be surprise team of the year.

For the record, I will be surprised if they don't win an IIAC game this year.

When they joined the conference, Cornell had a decent run, winning 6 or 7 games the first year. Everyone was sort of excited -- it was around the same time that the IIAC dropped Wm. Penn and UIU went to D2, so we were excited about the prospect of actual competition returning to the conference. I'm not sure what happened, but I never (in those first couple of years) thought that Cornell would go through a season winless. Back in the day, UD was the conference whipping boy -- I didn't think I would ever see the day that they would contend for the title. Back in the day Simpson was always good, but Central and Wartburg were the teams to beat.

So you see, the more things change, the more they stay the same. 

I think winning a couple of games is a reachable goal for Cornell. It's possible to win in Ash Park. Start pulling the upsets like UD did.

I agree, I started watching Cornell football consistently right when they joined the IIAC and I never thought I would see them go winless in the conference. I think it is possible for them to get an IIAC win this year. So hopefully that happens and they continue to build off that.

[Purple Heys]

...a team that Cornell beat the past two years (no offense PH).

That would be Northwestern (Minn.)   No offense taken.

Both N'western (MN) and Alma dropped us from their schedules after Cornell swept the Home and Home.  Both teams enjoyed relatively good success within their own conferences afterward...but I am sure those Cornell losses hung like anchors around their collective necks.

Rumor was that a WIAC team or two was pursuing us as an "opponent" read otherwise as presumed cannon-fodder.  Now I am not saying Cornell would have a chance there but I am saying that Cornell has improved to the point that they may only be considered cannon fodder for the upper echelon type of conferences.

Incidentally, Cornell playing a WIAC team for any amount of guarantee gate money makes no sense.  We take enough lumps within our own conference.  Getting wins (or at least having the opportunity) rather than getting ground into dust in the non-conference is better by far for the Rams.  Bring on Grinnell.

[Pat Coleman]

Pat - there are a couple NAIA teams here in Iowa that have recently started football programs. They used a JV schedule for the first two years of play. I couldn't think of any DIII in the area that have recently started football, so the NAIA teams, including Grand View, are really the only ones I could think of as a measure.

I don't know who the schools are but I know it's hard to use Waldorf as a measuring stick considering they were moving up from the junior college ranks.

[DutchFan2004]

DF2004- Geez, I realize that Dutch fans think SC grads are idiots, but I'm pretty sure most of us know that non-conference games don't count in the conference standings.  I never said that the non-conference games would help in the standings. However, I'm pretty sure I said it would help in the way of confidence. Anyway, thanks for explaining that to me.

Ash Park- I have a hard time believing Grand View will win very many games this year. Most new programs will have two years of JV before going to a full varsity schedule and even then, wins are generally few. GV is jumping in the deep end and it could be ugly this year. Unless you have transfers with real game experience, the majority of the guys you're sending out onto the field were playing on Friday nights last year.

I've been wrong before, but I predict the Northwestern game will be closer than the Grand View game.

The question has to be asked then why would you include that post about the two noconference games in the post was my point.  An overall record of 7-3 has nothing to do with the conversation at hand does it.  That was my point.  Sorry next time I will make that point better.  I did not attack your post only that it was not on point.  I tried to help you out by pointing to Cornell not having won a game the last two years in the IIAC should be the key to your argument.  

[DutchFan2004]

Heys,

I am surprised that Cornell and Grinnell have not renewed playing each other.  Close in proximity to each other and having a history of playing each other would make sense to play them in nonconference. 

[dutchfan1]

DF2004- Geez, I realize that Dutch fans think SC grads are idiots, but I'm pretty sure most of us know that non-conference games don't count in the conference standings.  I never said that the non-conference games would help in the standings. However, I'm pretty sure I said it would help in the way of confidence. Anyway, thanks for explaining that to me.

Ash Park- I have a hard time believing Grand View will win very many games this year. Most new programs will have two years of JV before going to a full varsity schedule and even then, wins are generally few. GV is jumping in the deep end and it could be ugly this year. Unless you have transfers with real game experience, the majority of the guys you're sending out onto the field were playing on Friday nights last year.

I've been wrong before, but I predict the Northwestern game will be closer than the Grand View game.

The question has to be asked then why would you include that post about the two noconference games in the post was my point.  An overall record of 7-3 has nothing to do with the conversation at hand does it.  That was my point.  Sorry next time I will make that point better.  I did not attack your post only that it was not on point.  I tried to help you out by pointing to Cornell not having won a game the last two years in the IIAC should be the key to your argument.  

DF2004 telling sc_stormchaser how to argue using logic is really.....funny. 

[Klopenhiemer]

Are you kidding me Klop? Dead last. Let's put it this way, I have a feeling BV will be wishing they hired coach Glo when they had the chance.

#1 QB and RB return. If I remember correctly, most of the OL has at least 2 years of experience. The youngest Kain graduated (are we all tapped out, or is there another Kain brother floating around  ), so the WR core is probably young, but I seem to remember a few underclassmen playing last year.

On the other side of the ball, the defense returns their leading tackler and pre-season All-American (for what's worth). After looking at last year's stats, 9 of the top 12 tacklers from last year's team return.

The non-conference schedule went from two playoff teams last year to a team with ZERO years of experience (Grand View) and a team that Cornell beat the past two years (no offense PH). Maybe that will help the young coaching staff and players (along with former players and fans) gain some confidence.

Here's my safe predication, they will not finish first or last.

I would be pleased with a 7-3 and it would be even better if one of the seven wins is against Central!

Stormchaser...As I said in an earlier post that DF1 posted, I was rocking the boat a little.  I honestly do not see Simpson finishing last.  Obviously I do not see Loras, Coe, or Cornell finishing in the places that I picked them.  Matter of fact, I do not see Central finishing where I placed them either.  

Case in point.  We have had this discussion many times over the last 3 months.  No new information has been released.  We know little regarding how spring ball went.  To that point, there was little that they could really do in spring ball.  There was no contact and it was a lot of drill work.  There are no new convincing points to choose one team over another than there were 2 months ago.  There is no Suckow saga or anything else brewing.  So being it was early in the morning, I did not want to start work, I figured the board needed a little spice.  

Note:  Time will tell regarding BV passing on Coach Glogowski.

Please see picks below.  This is honestly how I see things shaking out this year.  

Wartburg
Central
Coe
Simpson
UD
BV
Cornell
Loras
Luther

I will go on record saying the suprise team of the year will be Cornell.  They will beat Loras and Luther this year, and score 1 win over the other 6.  I am not ready to say who yet.  They will play hard and be in most games.