FB: American Rivers Conference

[Confused77]

The suspense was killing me.

Is it a good hire... YES IT IS! Does it make sense for Osterberger to leave BV? YES IT DOES!

Great hire, and in a timely manner. I really don't think Loras will miss a beat in recruiting.

[The Show]

Confused - the only "sense" I can make of it is to return to where he grew up. Is there any more that you can think of?

Did Loras keep all of their assistants?  It will be interesting to see if Osty tries bringing over any BV guys after a new head coach is named over there...

[Confused77]

Show- I think you hit it right on the head... Reason number 1 to take the job would have to be to return home. I believe his wife is a Dubuquer as well.

I am under the impression that the whole Loras staff is staying. I really wouldn't think anyone from BV will join him. But, there is always a possibility, so I wouldn't be surprised either way.

Do you think the Beavers will hire from within? I think the OC could be a good choice.

[The Show]

I've been told they'll be looking from outside the program, as well as within.

[Loras70sGrad]

So Confused you dont think Loras will miss a beat in recruiting.  Now I went to BV's roster and noted there was only one kid form Illinois on the roster and he was from East Moline.  What does this hire say about Chicagoland recruiting especially the Chicago Catholic League?  I was recently told by a Loras coach that Loras doesnt recruit the CCL, well I guess this move supports that agenda.  Not a great message to Chicagoland Alums who have tried to help. 

Lets be real clear here regarding his "returning to Home".  Loras is not his home, Dubuque is his home, but if he loves the place so much  as someone on the IApreps page said, then why didnt he go to Loras.  He didnt, he went to Drake, and there were plenty of candidates who are alums who would have liked to "go home" and coach at LC. 

I am not by any means a Bierie Guy in fact not a fan of his at all , but there were some good kids who played for him over the years who have gone on to coach on the college level.  Why weren't they given a chance?

[Confused77]

Lorasgrad- I know Loras hasn't been destroyed in recruiting due to the coaching change. I have not been told about anyone changing their mind. Maybe problems will show up later who knows.

You want to talk about why Chicagoland kids aren't going to Loras. I will guarantee you it is 90% financial aid. The Illinois schools are able to give so much more than an Iowa school for an Illinois kid, it works the other way around for Iowa and Iowa kids. Not every kid will choose to go solely based on aid, but if the school in Illinois is giving me 8 grand more in aid compared to an Iowa school, I am going to the school in Illinois. Loras does recruit the Catholic league. I will give you not to the extent that it used to do so.

If the Chicagoland Alums and all alums for that matter have tried to help, why isn't the new facility started? Why is Loras' endowment so small compared to other IIAC schools? Seems to me alums can help with those two issues. I know some of them do help out and help out a lot.I think the endowment and the new athletic facility are where alums can help, more so than getting a Chicagoland kid a better financial aid package, because I am not sure they can help a lot with that.

They did interview several candidates. I don't know specifics, but I know they did.

Just my thoughts...I would be happy to hear more of yours

[The Show]

Now I went to BV's roster and noted there was only one kid form Illinois on the roster and he was from East Moline.  What does this hire say about Chicagoland recruiting especially the Chicago Catholic League?

It says that BV is a hell of a drive from Illinois!  How many Nebraska guys are on Loras's roster? 0.

[Confused77]

When I was coaching at Loras a few years back we had an OL from Nebraska... Tom Kropf... he was a good one too..  I would never want to make that drive...

[Loras70sGrad]

Confused...

"You want to talk about why Chicagoland kids aren't going to Loras. I will guarantee you it is 90% financial aid. The Illinois schools are able to give so much more than an Iowa school for an Illinois kid, it works the other way around for Iowa and Iowa kids. Not every kid will choose to go solely based on aid, but if the school in Illinois is giving me 8 grand more in aid compared to an Iowa school, I am going to the school in Illinois. Loras does recruit the Catholic league. I will give you not to the extent that it used to do so. "


First of all you have to talk to the kid first before you speak financial aide and that isn't happening.  How do you explain the recent increase in CCL kids going to out of state D3 programs such as Carroll, Carthage, St. Norbert's, St Thomas, Wabash, DePauw, Manchester, John Carroll, Wittenberg or any of the Wisconsin State schools and the D!AA non scholarship schools like Valpo, Drake, Butler and Georgetown University over the last 10 years?   They sure seem to find a way to get those kids! Bottom line Loras isn't interested in these kids and you can use the financial aide package as an excuse, but these are kids from Catholic schools which traditionally sent kids to Loras, Loras has chosen to ignore them.  I will give you and example, last year I had a athlete who was cash paying, no financial aide needed, who was being recruited by many D3 and even D1aa as a preferred walk-on, I was told by a loras coach, "well have him call me, we don't recruit the Chicago Catholic League".   Ironically this kid who had Loras Family connections as well as family connections from a prominent Dubuque family eventually got a ride somewhere else.   


So the new facility and the low endowment is the Chicago Alumni's fault.  Got it.  So Loras doesn't recruit their schools. Loras doesn't even recruit their kids. (Do you have any idea the number of legacy sons that have gone on to play at other D3 schools that were not even contacted by Loras, some ended up being all conference, and even earning All America).  And you wonder why? 


What goes around comes around.

[coocooforcoekohawk]

Hey Charlie,

Can you believe all this bickering back and forth between two guys who support the same school.  Ridiculous! 

[Confused77]

Coocoo---Bickering may be the word... and after this post I am done with it...Whats done is done...

LorasGrad- Care to call out your supposed Loras coach who said "they don't recruit the catholic league"? I would be intrigued to hear you name a source or to say if he is still on staff or not. I can imagine a lot of "legacy" sons have gone on to other schools...the same can be said for any school any where. Not every Loras alum can have their son recruited, but if they really want their son to be a Duhawk, maybe a phone call would help. I spent a lot of time on the hill helping with recruiting, I even spent some time on the road. Schools can't just recruit sons of alums, they have to recruit the best players they can to help them succeed.  Recruiting in D3 has to be a 2 way street.

I wasn't blaming the new facility not being started or the low endowment on Chicagoland alums. But, I question how much all alums really want to push kids to Loras if they won't try to help with the new facility or help find ways to make the endowment larger.

[dutchfan1]

Confused -- I'm trying to remember accurately: aren't you a Wartburg alum that works for Loras? How are you fit to be there, if you didn't graduate from Loras to begin with?

[sc_stormchaser]

If Charlie and CooCoo can "kiss and make-up" and think anyone can!! That got fairly ugly.

Show- I know it's probably too early, but any would on BV recruits and how they're handling the situation?

[sc_stormchaser]

And by "would," I mean "word" Sorry, it's been a long day.

[Loras70sGrad]

Confused - Wont put it on this board, but will email you the coach, the kids name and whatever else you like to know.  And yes he is still on staff there.