FB: American Rivers Conference

[kohawkfan]

A more honest assessment of this season is that Loras is probably just a little bit better than Coe.

Yes, judging by how the rest of things played out.

To add my 2-cents worth ... it seems to me the Coe-Loras game was decided long before that last play when Coe "let" Loras stay in the game for far too long.

GO SPARTANS!  Beat Coe.

Though their final call was the biggest blunder, that crew made plenty of weak calls all day:  2-3 roughing the passer calls on Coe (give me a break), one of Coe's coaches is kicked out of the game (for what??),  a sideline penalty on Coe (when they are supposed to give a warning first-while the Loras coach is OUT ON THE FIELD), the Loras QB ditched the ball 2-3 times and the refs called them incomplete passes-but there was NOBODY there.  The list goes on... This was definitely a turning point in the season-in my opinion.   Interestingly enough, some Loras fans that were near us afterward agreed that they had been awarded a "gift" from the officials.  Yeah, I guess you had to be there.  

[kohawkfan]

Biggest turning Point in the season for any team:  Coe - getting robbed of the Loras win by the refs and never really recovering fully after that.   - Coe was never right all season long.. this loss did nothing for them
Your favorite IIAC mascott:  Charlie Kohawk 
Best food and drink after a game:  Used to be Paddy O'Rourke's for me... now it's most deffinately Mulligan's. 

The Loras "loss" (I don't think the Coe scoreboard ever did show Loras's postgame points.) was horrific for the Kohawk morale.  It was Coe's first home conference game, in front of a big homecoming crowd, with morons for officials who decided the outcome of the game!  I don't know any teams that wouldn't have had an effect on.  But it is what it is...  
I only hope whomever is in charge makes a mental note:  Never, ever hire a guy named Goosic and his crew from Altoona for another IIAC game ANYWHERE.

That game was September 27th -- you've played 5 games since then. Yeah, I agree, Coe got a raw deal, but get past it. Maybe the reason Coe has lost 3 game since is because they are still focused on what is in the rearview mirror.

How sad that that moment defined the Coe football team in 2008.

DF, I don't believe I said "defining" anywhere in my post.  "Turning Points" were the category and there's a big difference.   The offense had 3 nice tds in the Loras game.  Things were looking up and then... well, you know the rest.
So you're saying that if this had been Central's homecoming game and 1st conference home game they wouldn't have been effected?  I've seen some of your fans-the refs probably would have never made it outta Pella.   

[Thunderbolt]

Congratulations to the Knights for taking the IIAC title.  It was a rough season and it looks to be a tough first round of the playoffs.  Sounds like they got something going on the ground for once.  This was the second week in a row that the Knights had more rushing than passing yards (only the second time this year).  Hopefully they can keep that up as it will be important in the playoffs.  200 yards on the ground and a good day from Yordi (250 to 300) can win playoff games for the Knights.

I will admit right now, it has been awhile since I have posted.  I have been reading, but always just about 5 pages behind and then a weekend would hit and I would be busy with Winona State football (such a disappointing season) and then I would just be behind again.  Luckily I am caught up and hopefully if the Knights play in the Midwest I can travel to the game and see one in person this year.  I did get to tune in to bits and pieces on the radio a few times this year, but this board has kept me up to speed.

For all the non-Wartburg fans feel free to jump on the IIAC Bandwagon (not necessarily a Wartburg Bandwagon).  Just like many of us cheered for the Dutch last year, this year we can all cheer for the Knights to gain some respect for the IIAC in all of D3.

It has been a tough year for Winona St. They are one of the teams I try to keep up with during the year.It's a little difficult sifting through the basketball clutter to find their football news.
How about we make it a carry-all instead of a bandwagon?

[Klopenhiemer]

A more honest assessment of this season is that Loras is probably just a little bit better than Coe.

Yes, judging by how the rest of things played out.

To add my 2-cents worth ... it seems to me the Coe-Loras game was decided long before that last play when Coe "let" Loras stay in the game for far too long.

GO SPARTANS!  Beat Coe.

Though their final call was the biggest blunder, that crew made plenty of weak calls all day:  2-3 roughing the passer calls on Coe (give me a break), one of Coe's coaches is kicked out of the game (for what??),  a sideline penalty on Coe (when they are supposed to give a warning first-while the Loras coach is OUT ON THE FIELD), the Loras QB ditched the ball 2-3 times and the refs called them incomplete passes-but there was NOBODY there.  The list goes on... This was definitely a turning point in the season-in my opinion.   Interestingly enough, some Loras fans that were near us afterward agreed that they had been awarded a "gift" from the officials.  Yeah, I guess you had to be there.  

If he was outside the tackle box then he can throw it to the north poll for all the refs care, its still an incomplete pass.  Still sour grapes on the ref crew huh?  Write a letter to the commish, write a letter to editor, write a letter on a billboard and post it on I-80, griping on here gets you nowhere. 

[Thunderbolt]

Biggest turning Point in the season for any team:  Coe - getting robbed of the Loras win by the refs and never really recovering fully after that.   - Coe was never right all season long.. this loss did nothing for them
Your favorite IIAC mascott:  Charlie Kohawk 
Best food and drink after a game:  Used to be Paddy O'Rourke's for me... now it's most deffinately Mulligan's. 

The Loras "loss" (I don't think the Coe scoreboard ever did show Loras's postgame points.) was horrific for the Kohawk morale.  It was Coe's first home conference game, in front of a big homecoming crowd, with morons for officials who decided the outcome of the game!  I don't know any teams that wouldn't have had an effect on.  But it is what it is...  
I only hope whomever is in charge makes a mental note:  Never, ever hire a guy named Goosic and his crew from Altoona for another IIAC game ANYWHERE.

That game was September 27th -- you've played 5 games since then. Yeah, I agree, Coe got a raw deal, but get past it. Maybe the reason Coe has lost 3 game since is because they are still focused on what is in the rearview mirror.

How sad that that moment defined the Coe football team in 2008.

DF, I don't believe I said "defining" anywhere in my post.  "Turning Points" were the category and there's a big difference.   The offense had 3 nice tds in the Loras game.  Things were looking up and then... well, you know the rest.
So you're saying that if this had been Central's homecoming game and 1st conference home game they wouldn't have been effected?  I've seen some of your fans-the refs probably would have never made it outta Pella.   

Remind me to smite you again tomorrow. Between your red ink and constant whining, i owe you another.
I was there when Luther gifted Coe a win. It balances out.

[kohawkfan]

Biggest turning Point in the season for any team:  Coe - getting robbed of the Loras win by the refs and never really recovering fully after that.   - Coe was never right all season long.. this loss did nothing for them
Your favorite IIAC mascott:  Charlie Kohawk 
Best food and drink after a game:  Used to be Paddy O'Rourke's for me... now it's most deffinately Mulligan's. 

The Loras "loss" (I don't think the Coe scoreboard ever did show Loras's postgame points.) was horrific for the Kohawk morale.  It was Coe's first home conference game, in front of a big homecoming crowd, with morons for officials who decided the outcome of the game!  I don't know any teams that wouldn't have had an effect on.  But it is what it is...  
I only hope whomever is in charge makes a mental note:  Never, ever hire a guy named Goosic and his crew from Altoona for another IIAC game ANYWHERE.

You are basically saying that the Coe football team lacks any mental toughness or any moral.  Not saying that at all.  I think their wins on the road have been proof of that.   That does not say a lot for your football team.  As dutchie has said, what a sad thing that your season was defined on Sept. 27th. 
The Beavers droped a heart breaker on a cold windy day in Storm Lake to Luther 6-3, but came back to wallop Waldorf (not saying much), and then beat the Kohawks at their house.  We did fold Saturday, but you can not say that Beavers were defined by one loss. 

I wouldn' t get up on your soapbox just yet, K.  The Bevoers could have been IIAC champs and choked on probably their most important game in the last 30 years.   By the way, what's up with so many of the seniors on the BV team being "exercise science" majors?    Does BV have any other programs of study?  Just curious.      

[dutchfan1]

Biggest turning Point in the season for any team:  Coe - getting robbed of the Loras win by the refs and never really recovering fully after that.   - Coe was never right all season long.. this loss did nothing for them
Your favorite IIAC mascott:  Charlie Kohawk 
Best food and drink after a game:  Used to be Paddy O'Rourke's for me... now it's most deffinately Mulligan's. 

The Loras "loss" (I don't think the Coe scoreboard ever did show Loras's postgame points.) was horrific for the Kohawk morale.  It was Coe's first home conference game, in front of a big homecoming crowd, with morons for officials who decided the outcome of the game!  I don't know any teams that wouldn't have had an effect on.  But it is what it is...  
I only hope whomever is in charge makes a mental note:  Never, ever hire a guy named Goosic and his crew from Altoona for another IIAC game ANYWHERE.

That game was September 27th -- you've played 5 games since then. Yeah, I agree, Coe got a raw deal, but get past it. Maybe the reason Coe has lost 3 game since is because they are still focused on what is in the rearview mirror.

How sad that that moment defined the Coe football team in 2008.

DF, I don't believe I said "defining" anywhere in my post.  "Turning Points" were the category and there's a big difference.   The offense had 3 nice tds in the Loras game.  Things were looking up and then... well, you know the rest.
So you're saying that if this had been Central's homecoming game and 1st conference home game they wouldn't have been effected?  I've seen some of your fans-the refs probably would have never made it outta Pella.   

Actually, as you may recall, we lost our Homecoming game this season to Wartburg. It was our first conference game, too.

By your standards, the Luther game (where we got our butts kicked) would have been a turning point, but we had the stones to rise above and play the rest of the season to our potential. Sure, when we played Loras we came up short, but we weren't blaming the Luther loss for it. I guess that is the difference between Central and Coe, though.

[Floyd in Iowa City]

3000 listed as the attendance.

Good lord, there wasn't 300 in that place.  I understand padding attendance, but it should at least be partly grounded in reality. 

The Knights might have a "season ticket" package where all of the students and faculty are automatically counted as part of the gate.

Maybe that Wartburg math is coming back to hurt whoever "estimates" the crowd.  Sounds like they need to go back and learn about how to round numbers.

On a more serious note, it is all right to admit that there are games in which people did not show up.  It happens to lots of teams.  

Making the numbers up and then taking pride in having good attendance numbers over the years seems a little hollow, no matter how many other schools may do it.  I am not saying that they have been doing this over the years, but to hear something like this can taint things.  Hopefully this does get cleaned up.

[kohawkfan]

Biggest turning Point in the season for any team:  Coe - getting robbed of the Loras win by the refs and never really recovering fully after that.   - Coe was never right all season long.. this loss did nothing for them
Your favorite IIAC mascott:  Charlie Kohawk 
Best food and drink after a game:  Used to be Paddy O'Rourke's for me... now it's most deffinately Mulligan's. 

The Loras "loss" (I don't think the Coe scoreboard ever did show Loras's postgame points.) was horrific for the Kohawk morale.  It was Coe's first home conference game, in front of a big homecoming crowd, with morons for officials who decided the outcome of the game!  I don't know any teams that wouldn't have had an effect on.  But it is what it is...  
I only hope whomever is in charge makes a mental note:  Never, ever hire a guy named Goosic and his crew from Altoona for another IIAC game ANYWHERE.

That game was September 27th -- you've played 5 games since then. Yeah, I agree, Coe got a raw deal, but get past it. Maybe the reason Coe has lost 3 game since is because they are still focused on what is in the rearview mirror.

How sad that that moment defined the Coe football team in 2008.

DF, I don't believe I said "defining" anywhere in my post.  "Turning Points" were the category and there's a big difference.   The offense had 3 nice tds in the Loras game.  Things were looking up and then... well, you know the rest.
So you're saying that if this had been Central's homecoming game and 1st conference home game they wouldn't have been effected?  I've seen some of your fans-the refs probably would have never made it outta Pella.   

Remind me to smite you again tomorrow. Between your red ink and constant whining, i owe you another.
I was there when Luther gifted Coe a win. It balances out.

Gifted a win?  I don't think so.  Coe should have won in regulation.  Are you sure you were there?  

[kohawkfan]

Biggest turning Point in the season for any team:  Coe - getting robbed of the Loras win by the refs and never really recovering fully after that.   - Coe was never right all season long.. this loss did nothing for them
Your favorite IIAC mascott:  Charlie Kohawk 
Best food and drink after a game:  Used to be Paddy O'Rourke's for me... now it's most deffinately Mulligan's. 

The Loras "loss" (I don't think the Coe scoreboard ever did show Loras's postgame points.) was horrific for the Kohawk morale.  It was Coe's first home conference game, in front of a big homecoming crowd, with morons for officials who decided the outcome of the game!  I don't know any teams that wouldn't have had an effect on.  But it is what it is...  
I only hope whomever is in charge makes a mental note:  Never, ever hire a guy named Goosic and his crew from Altoona for another IIAC game ANYWHERE.

That game was September 27th -- you've played 5 games since then. Yeah, I agree, Coe got a raw deal, but get past it. Maybe the reason Coe has lost 3 game since is because they are still focused on what is in the rearview mirror.

How sad that that moment defined the Coe football team in 2008.

DF, I don't believe I said "defining" anywhere in my post.  "Turning Points" were the category and there's a big difference.   The offense had 3 nice tds in the Loras game.  Things were looking up and then... well, you know the rest.
So you're saying that if this had been Central's homecoming game and 1st conference home game they wouldn't have been effected?  I've seen some of your fans-the refs probably would have never made it outta Pella.   

Actually, as you may recall, we lost our Homecoming game this season to Wartburg. It was our first conference game, too.  Were you outplayed or did the refs determine the outcome??

By your standards, the Luther game (where we got our butts kicked) would have been a turning point, but we had the stones to rise above and play the rest of the season to our potential. Sure, when we played Loras we came up short, but we weren't blaming the Luther loss for it. I guess that is the difference between Central and Coe, though. I'm not blaming-just saying that game was a turning point.   

[dutchfan1]

Biggest turning Point in the season for any team:  Coe - getting robbed of the Loras win by the refs and never really recovering fully after that.   - Coe was never right all season long.. this loss did nothing for them
Your favorite IIAC mascott:  Charlie Kohawk 
Best food and drink after a game:  Used to be Paddy O'Rourke's for me... now it's most deffinately Mulligan's. 

The Loras "loss" (I don't think the Coe scoreboard ever did show Loras's postgame points.) was horrific for the Kohawk morale.  It was Coe's first home conference game, in front of a big homecoming crowd, with morons for officials who decided the outcome of the game!  I don't know any teams that wouldn't have had an effect on.  But it is what it is...  
I only hope whomever is in charge makes a mental note:  Never, ever hire a guy named Goosic and his crew from Altoona for another IIAC game ANYWHERE.

That game was September 27th -- you've played 5 games since then. Yeah, I agree, Coe got a raw deal, but get past it. Maybe the reason Coe has lost 3 game since is because they are still focused on what is in the rearview mirror.

How sad that that moment defined the Coe football team in 2008.

DF, I don't believe I said "defining" anywhere in my post.  "Turning Points" were the category and there's a big difference.   The offense had 3 nice tds in the Loras game.  Things were looking up and then... well, you know the rest.
So you're saying that if this had been Central's homecoming game and 1st conference home game they wouldn't have been effected?  I've seen some of your fans-the refs probably would have never made it outta Pella.   

Actually, as you may recall, we lost our Homecoming game this season to Wartburg. It was our first conference game, too.  Were you outplayed or did the refs determine the outcome??

By your standards, the Luther game (where we got our butts kicked) would have been a turning point, but we had the stones to rise above and play the rest of the season to our potential. Sure, when we played Loras we came up short, but we weren't blaming the Luther loss for it. I guess that is the difference between Central and Coe, though. I'm not blaming-just saying that game was a turning point.   

See, that is the difference -- I'm not/we're not looking to place blame for the loss. Sure, there were some questionable calls -- every close game has them -- but we aren't dwelling on them. We came up short. At home. On Homecoming. The end.

Look, let me put it to you another way: It's really unfortunate that you cannot give Loras their due. Blaming the officials week in and week out makes you look as though you have sour grapes, and are a bunch of sore losers. Dealing with horrible officiating is part of the game. You play with it, and you move on. Congratulating them would be the classy thing to do.

[Klopenhiemer]

Biggest turning Point in the season for any team:  Coe - getting robbed of the Loras win by the refs and never really recovering fully after that.   - Coe was never right all season long.. this loss did nothing for them
Your favorite IIAC mascott:  Charlie Kohawk 
Best food and drink after a game:  Used to be Paddy O'Rourke's for me... now it's most deffinately Mulligan's. 

The Loras "loss" (I don't think the Coe scoreboard ever did show Loras's postgame points.) was horrific for the Kohawk morale.  It was Coe's first home conference game, in front of a big homecoming crowd, with morons for officials who decided the outcome of the game!  I don't know any teams that wouldn't have had an effect on.  But it is what it is...  
I only hope whomever is in charge makes a mental note:  Never, ever hire a guy named Goosic and his crew from Altoona for another IIAC game ANYWHERE.

You are basically saying that the Coe football team lacks any mental toughness or any moral.  Not saying that at all.  I think their wins on the road have been proof of that.   That does not say a lot for your football team.  As dutchie has said, what a sad thing that your season was defined on Sept. 27th. 
The Beavers droped a heart breaker on a cold windy day in Storm Lake to Luther 6-3, but came back to wallop Waldorf (not saying much), and then beat the Kohawks at their house.  We did fold Saturday, but you can not say that Beavers were defined by one loss. 

I wouldn' t get up on your soapbox just yet, K.  The Bevoers could have been IIAC champs and choked on probably their most important game in the last 30 years.   By the way, what's up with so many of the seniors on the BV team being "exercise science" majors?    Does BV have any other programs of study?  Just curious.      

Most important game in the past 30 years?  What rock have you been hiding under for the past 30 years.  If you know anything about the IIAC and the Beavers recent history you will know that the this the most imporant game in the past 4 years.  Do you remember 2004 when we blew against your KoHawks and your traitor star player Suckow?  You won the conference that year on the strong shoulders of Brannen, Suckow, and Northern.  

BTW:  BV recently droped all other major in favor of exercise science.  We will now be known as THE Buena Vista Exercise Science Institute you moron.  

Regarding the mental toughness statement.  Then what are you saying Kohawk fan?  You stated that the turning point of the season was clear back on Sept. 27.  If that is the turning point in a sorry season then your team has no mental toughness.  Maybe they are cursed at home now.  I am waiting for that line.

[sportsknight]

Wow.  A Coe fan calling out other schools for having classless fans and poor academics.  
Never thought I'd see the day.

Oh, and by the way Kohawkfan, you are simply proving the points of other posters by continuing to gripe about the "raw deal" your team got in that Loras game.  I'll agree with what has already been said, if the Coe players are still thinking about that game a month and a half later, then I don't think you have to look very far to see where Coe's season has gone off the rails.

[Walston Hoover]

That makes at least 4 Winona fans on the board.

Congratulations to the Knights for taking the IIAC title.  It was a rough season and it looks to be a tough first round of the playoffs.  Sounds like they got something going on the ground for once.  This was the second week in a row that the Knights had more rushing than passing yards (only the second time this year).  Hopefully they can keep that up as it will be important in the playoffs.  200 yards on the ground and a good day from Yordi (250 to 300) can win playoff games for the Knights.

I will admit right now, it has been awhile since I have posted.  I have been reading, but always just about 5 pages behind and then a weekend would hit and I would be busy with Winona State football (such a disappointing season) and then I would just be behind again.  Luckily I am caught up and hopefully if the Knights play in the Midwest I can travel to the game and see one in person this year.  I did get to tune in to bits and pieces on the radio a few times this year, but this board has kept me up to speed.

For all the non-Wartburg fans feel free to jump on the IIAC Bandwagon (not necessarily a Wartburg Bandwagon).  Just like many of us cheered for the Dutch last year, this year we can all cheer for the Knights to gain some respect for the IIAC in all of D3.

It has been a tough year for Winona St. They are one of the teams I try to keep up with during the year.It's a little difficult sifting through the basketball clutter to find their football news.
How about we make it a carry-all instead of a bandwagon?

[kohawkfan]

A more honest assessment of this season is that Loras is probably just a little bit better than Coe.

Yes, judging by how the rest of things played out.

To add my 2-cents worth ... it seems to me the Coe-Loras game was decided long before that last play when Coe "let" Loras stay in the game for far too long.

GO SPARTANS!  Beat Coe.

Though their final call was the biggest blunder, that crew made plenty of weak calls all day:  2-3 roughing the passer calls on Coe (give me a break), one of Coe's coaches is kicked out of the game (for what??),  a sideline penalty on Coe (when they are supposed to give a warning first-while the Loras coach is OUT ON THE FIELD), the Loras QB ditched the ball 2-3 times and the refs called them incomplete passes-but there was NOBODY there.  The list goes on... This was definitely a turning point in the season-in my opinion.   Interestingly enough, some Loras fans that were near us afterward agreed that they had been awarded a "gift" from the officials.  Yeah, I guess you had to be there.  

If he was outside the tackle box (he wasn't, duh!)then he can throw it to the north poll for all the refs care, its still an incomplete pass.  Still sour grapes on the ref crew huh?  Write a letter to the commish (did that), write a letter to editor (didn't have to, he agreed with me), write a letter on a billboard and post it on I-80 (would if I could afford it.), griping on here gets you nowhere.  Just stating the facts. 

You sound alittle "testy" today, K.  Go ahead and take out your frustrations on me if you want.  I have broad shoulders.  I understand you're feeling bad after Saturday.