FB: American Rivers Conference

[Klompen]

I'm not a hater. I don't HATE anyone or anything on here.

I didn't mean anything bad by hater.  It just that "my favorite non-central fan" just didn't resonate w/ me.

How about one of these...My favorite Central:

1) detractor  2) cynic  3) critic

Or...My favorite Central:
4) Damn, my kid should have gone there.    

Just kidding, I know he is happy at Wartburg and given what you are probably paying, that is as it should be. 

[DutchFan2004]

So Dutchhawk are you predicting a blowout by the Dutch? 

Dont know where you got that, you will have to check the pick ems for my prediction I was just stating the facts as presented thus far by season statistics.

As it was pointed out to me by many during a wide reciever discussion earlier on this board,statistics don't mean everything.

They dont, but ypu were conjecturing about anyone could put up those numbers if thrown to enough. This is more of a raw, we got to the quarterback more than anyone else...as a TEAM

Let's go down this path again, shall we?

Central has been ahead by large margins in most of their games whidch makes the opposing team pass more to score faster which gives Central more chances for sacks. No doubt, Central has taken advantage of their opportunities, but still the other team has to pass to be able to be sacked. So, if Wartburg attempts 8 passes and Central sacks them 4 times they acheiver their season avreage. But if Wartburg racks up 3 TD's on the passes they do complete and win the game, BFD.

I looked up these stats on the IIAC web site.  I don't know your statement that the Dutch were up early holds water so that teams had to pass a lot.  

                                           Rushing yards     Passing yards  Pass Attempts Rush Attempts

Lakeland   0   3    7      7    17     -17                       296                  39                   23

Central     3    21  16    0    41


UWSP     0     7      7     7    21      108                    269                     38                   35

Central   0     0     10   12    22      


Dubuque 13    6      8      0   27    176                    328                     32                 38

Central     7     14    12    8   41  


Coe          0       0       0     6   6       10                  189                     31                 22

Central     0       14     3      7   24


Cornell      0        0       0      0   0     2                    84                       19               27

Central     14      17      17     7  55



Simpson   3        0        7    14    24      232             234                 39                 45

Central    21       7       21     7    56


Luther     0        7           3     7    17      22              252               48                   17

Central   7         7           7     14    35    


Loras      0         3          7       7      17    61               282            49                    15

Central   7          14        13     7     41


BV           0          0          0       0       0     -13            239               39                18

Central   14         3         0       0        17    



To me there were only three games that can be called blow outs and that Central really had big leads Lakeland, Cornell and Simpson.     Looking at the stats and I didn't go back and chart the plays but did the schools abandon the run because they were behind or did they abandon it because they could not move the ball when they ran?  To me, and I know I am taking the opposite side in this debate, the teams quit running because they couldn't move the ball on the ground.  5 out of 9 games this year the Dutch have kept the opposition under 25 yards on the ground for the whole game.  I am not sure that your premise is correct.  The good teams that have stayed in the games stayed with a balanced approach with the exception of BV.  UWSP, UD even Simpson in a blow out was balanced.  Coe even was 31-22 pass run so I don't think you can say that teams just quit running and had to throw.  Just some food for thought.  


Dutch Radio I am not sure I would say that the weakness of the Dutch D is the back half.  How many times were there just no one to throw to when the QB's were getting sacked.  I would say that there have been a lot of coverage sacks too!!!    

[warthog]

Thought for the day:

I never expect to lose. Even when I'm the underdog, I still prepare a victory speech.

- H. Jackson Brown, Jr

[Voice of the Dutch]

Dutch Radio I am not sure I would say that the weakness of the Dutch D is the back half.  How many times were there just no one to throw to when the QB's were getting sacked.  I would say that there have been a lot of coverage sacks too!!!

My only point is that if TEAM A decided that they were going to line up and smash it at us on the ground all day long, and TEAM B decided that they were going to sit in the gun and throw it all day long, I'd be more nervous about playing TEAM B.

I realize that many of our sacks have been "coverage sacks", and by no means am I trashing our secondary.  I was particularly impressed this week by the number of balls that should have been caught that were not because Schmidt & Good knocked 'em loose.

I stand by my opinion that our secondary is our "weakness", but by no means does that mean they are bad, incompetent, etc.

[NewKnightDad]

Have any teams had 100yds of rushing against the Dutchies this year?

[Voice of the Dutch]

Regarding the sack discussion.  Part of the reason Central has so many sacks is, yes, they have the most opportunities to do so (opponents have attempted a league high 334 passes against Central).  But - they also have the highest sack percentage per dropback.

Central - 9.0% (33 sacks in 367 dropbacks)
Coe - 8.7% (22 in 253)
Dubuque - 4.9% (10 in 203)
Loras - 4.8% (14 in 294)
Buena Vista - 4.5% (12 in 267)
Luther - 4.0% (10 in 253)
Cornell - 3.6% (8 in 222)
Simpson - 3.1% (8 in 260)
Wartburg - 2.2% (7 in 323)

Dropbacks = Sacks + Opponents Pass Attempts.  This does not count times the quarterback dropped back to pass but scrambled for a run, as that stat doesn't exist amongst the IIAC stat pages.

[doolittledog]

Have any teams had 100yds of rushing against the Dutchies this year?

Dubuque's Justin Spaulding had 157 yards rushing on 30 carries and 1 TD against the Dutchies.  UD as a team had 176 rushing yards for the game.  

And, uh, Zweifel had 12 receptions for 162 yards and 2 TD's  

[footballdaddy]

I'm not a hater. I don't HATE anyone or anything on here.

I didn't mean anything bad by hater.  It just that "my favorite non-central fan" just didn't resonate w/ me.

How about one of these...My favorite Central:

1) detractor  2) cynic  3) critic

Or...My favorite Central:
4) Damn, my kid should have gone there.    

Just kidding, I know he is happy at Wartburg and given what you are probably paying, that is as it should be. 

I happen to have 2 kids at Wartburg.

[footballdaddy]

I don't have time to break down every game played in the league this year, so I coan't prove or disprove everyone's theories on sacks vs. run vs. attempts. I will say that Central has a good defense.

Wartburg ran some stuff against Luther that Ihadn't seen before. what does it mean? I don't know. I do know that everyone better pull up their jocks and tighten their chin straps. No one will be giving anything away Saturday.

[Fannosaurus Rex]

Based on nothing but my very limited observations I'm guessing that if there was a statistic for missed open receivers, Central has gotten some breaks.  And the competition is about to get tougher.  Yikes!

[DutchHawk]

Based on nothing but my very limited observations I'm guessing that if there was a statistic for missed open receivers, Central has gotten some breaks.  And the competition is about to get tougher.  Yikes!

Nice stats there DutchRadio

Fannosaurus - really...you dont think every team misses open receivers. There is often reasons, such as pressure on the QB   You cant tell me that magically the week Central plays a team they happen to miss open receivers. Every team has gotten those breaks, part of the game.

Im not saying we are going to blow the Knighties out or anything along those lines, its going to be a tough, hard hitting game. Just like every week in the IIAC.

I wouldnt be surprised to see the Knights with one of their worse home losses since...oh 2005!

[Voice of the Dutch]

Oh baby - 2005.  That one brings a  to my face.

On a related note - how long has it been since one team not named Wartburg won 3 straight at Walston-Hoover?

[DutchFan2004]

Dutch Radio I am not sure I would say that the weakness of the Dutch D is the back half.  How many times were there just no one to throw to when the QB's were getting sacked.  I would say that there have been a lot of coverage sacks too!!!

My only point is that if TEAM A decided that they were going to line up and smash it at us on the ground all day long, and TEAM B decided that they were going to sit in the gun and throw it all day long, I'd be more nervous about playing TEAM B.

I realize that many of our sacks have been "coverage sacks", and by no means am I trashing our secondary.  I was particularly impressed this week by the number of balls that should have been caught that were not because Schmidt & Good knocked 'em loose.

I stand by my opinion that our secondary is our "weakness", but by no means does that mean they are bad, incompetent, etc.

I didn't think you were trashing them.  Maybe a bit harsh.  Also how many of those passing yards have been given up by second or third teamers?  That was my point.  I think the D has been a real strong point for the Dutch.  As strong as the O IMHO

[DutchFan2004]

Have any teams had 100yds of rushing against the Dutchies this year?

Look above.  There have been three.

[DutchFan2004]

I don't have time to break down every game played in the league this year, so I coan't prove or disprove everyone's theories on sacks vs. run vs. attempts. I will say that Central has a good defense.

Wartburg ran some stuff against Luther that Ihadn't seen before. what does it mean? I don't know. I do know that everyone better pull up their jocks and tighten their chin straps. No one will be giving anything away Saturday.

I totally agee with that.  There is no way this game is a blow out.  In the last 6 years there was only one game that was not close.  2005 in Waverly when the Knights special teams fell apart.  I don't see that happening this Saturday.  I think that this will be a 10 point or less game.  History says it will be less than that.  The Knights won't let it get away from them and I don't see the Dutch letting it get out of hand either.