FB: American Rivers Conference

[Kohawk Krazy]

Not to mention that the Dutch fans are quick to point to the fact that Boyle is in a pass first offense and that is the reason that he puts up nice numbers for Coe.  HOWEVER, the same Dutch fans won't acknowledge that DZ is in the exact same senario for Cental only its a run-first offense, so Central's running back should lead the conference in rushing. 

Also, when comparing the two, don't use the "well Zachary would have even better numbers if he played more in the second half" argument.  Zachary still has had 24 more carries than anyone in the Iowa Conference. 

Let's also not forget that Boyle sat out the ENTIRE second half against Simpson this year, while still putting up over 300 yards Passing and 50 or so rushing yards.

[DutchHawk]

Not to mention that the Dutch fans are quick to point to the fact that Boyle is in a pass first offense and that is the reason that he puts up nice numbers for Coe.  HOWEVER, the same Dutch fans won't acknowledge that DZ is in the exact same senario for Cental only its a run-first offense, so Central's running back should lead the conference in rushing.  

Also, when comparing the two, don't use the "well Zachary would have even better numbers if he played more in the second half" argument.  Zachary still has had 24 more carries than anyone in the Iowa Conference.  

Ok I dont know why everyone is getting their panties in a bunch over this. I think its a two man race for POY. Player of the Year constitutes best player, not most important to their teams success. Boyle of Zachary are in my opinion the two who lead the pack. They are both good players with solid stats on good teams. I would vote for DZ, I am of course, slightly biased, however I think hes the best player. Conference leading rusher, regardless of having 24 more carries, you have to look at averages and 6.5 ypc and 132 ypg and 10 TDs (all conference stat leading) is decent in my book. Boyle is second in the conference in passing behind Hanson. Not saying he shouldn't be POY but he doesn't lead conference passers in percentage, YPG, TD, or pass efficiency. However he does lead in Total Offense (See Conference only Stats Leaders: http://www.iowaconference.com/TASFBC/2009-FB/HTML/confonly.htm#conf.wi2 )

So everyone chill out, pull your panties out of your buttcheeks and remember that if you can state your opinions, then so can everyone else!

[youcantseemestill]

That is all I was trying to do was state my opinion that Boyle deserves more credit than most Central fans are giving him credit for.  The only game he hasn't performed brilliantly in this season was against the Dutch very early in the season.  Had that game been played later in the season, I think you would have seen a much different ball game.  Not saying Coe would win, but Boyle would play much better. 

My opinion is that the talk has been too much Red   

[Klompen]

Coming from an unbiased mind (since the rams unfortunately are not involved)...I understand Dutch fans wanting to stump for their team/players, but I don't get their inability to accept an alterior scenario.  It almost seems like some have taken offense to the fact the Zachary is not a consensus POY.  He may very well win it, but the season isn't over and I think its naive to think he should just be given the award today.  The Dutch have a very difficult game ahead and everyone else (minus simpson) has two games remaining.  Much can change between now and then, and it's unreasonable to think otherwise.

Just don't forget that some of us Dutch fans were acknowledging that Staker and Boyle  had valid cases for COY and POY.  You will see that just a few pages back.

[footballdaddy]

If you want my opinion, and most of you don't, my POY is Alex Macey. Ask any player or coach in the conference and they will say that they don't understand why he isn't playing at the FCS level. To have these abilities and to stick it out over four years with a team that hasn't given him the best of support should be rewarded.
He's not the flavor of the month RB or QB, just a kid with a lot of ability who shows real commitment.

[DutchHawk]

I was trying to give them each credit while stating my opinions backed up by facts. I think Boyle is a good player, to say he would play a ton better against Central now I dont know if you can say that because its not like he exactly started out slow No interceptions and all!

[Klompen]

That is all I was trying to do was state my opinion that Boyle deserves more credit than most Central fans are giving him credit for.  The only game he hasn't performed brilliantly in this season was against the Dutch very early in the season.  Had that game been played later in the season, I think you would have seen a much different ball game.  Not saying Coe would win, but Boyle would play much better. 

My opinion is that the talk has been too much Red   

Well, given that most of the people posting this year tend to be Dutch fans, given that some WB fans have folded like "ShowMe" this year (Sorry guys, I couldn't resist), it isn't surprising that there is a lot of red opinions this year.  

I, for one Dutch fan, have said on multiple occassions that I could see both Staker and Boyle walking away with those honors.  While my bleed red heart would love to see Mac and DZ, I could see neither one of them winning and I don't think we could say Central was rooped.  I would be happy to settle for national champions, but that probably isn't going to happen either.    I think up to 5 other teams Central could play would have other opinions on that.

[Klompen]

If you want my opinion, and most of you don't, my POY is Alex Macey. Ask any player or coach in the conference and they will say that they don't understand why he isn't playing at the FCS level. To have these abilities and to stick it out over four years with a team that hasn't given him the best of support should be rewarded.
He's not the flavor of the month RB or QB, just a kid with a lot of ability who shows real commitment.

Macy is clearly the best player on his team and both he and PH deserve credit for sticking with it for four years.  That takes heart and dedication and not many have that kind of perserverance. 

I think Macey will receive the recognition that he deserves for his ability, but conference POY is never going to go to any player that has not won a conference game in years.  Even though I still believe that they should have won against Central last year.  Thank you to whoever got called for a penalty late in the game to let us keep the ball, tie it up and win in OT.  Macey and the whole Cornell team outplayed Central that day.  Central outplayed Cornell for about 5 minutes.

[doolittledog]

That is all I was trying to do was state my opinion that Boyle deserves more credit than most Central fans are giving him credit for.  The only game he hasn't performed brilliantly in this season was against the Dutch very early in the season.  Had that game been played later in the season, I think you would have seen a much different ball game.  Not saying Coe would win, but Boyle would play much better.  

My opinion is that the talk has been too much Red  

Well, given that most of the people posting this year tend to be Dutch fans, given that some WB fans have folded like "ShowMe" this year (Sorry guys, I couldn't resist), it isn't surprising that there is a lot of red opinions this year.  

I, for one Dutch fan, have said on multiple occassions that I could see both Staker and Boyle walking away with those honors.  While my bleed red heart would love to see Mac and DZ, I could see neither one of them winning and I don't think we could say Central was rooped.  I would be happy to settle for national champions, but that probably isn't going to happen either.    I think up to 5 other teams Central could play would have other opinions on that.

Last year, Wartburg fans were noting that most of the Central fans had dissapeared from this site

The 1st place team will generally have more fans on here, and therefore be pushing for their teams players.  Seems logical.

There are a number of players this year that could get POY.  Take your pick at Central.  Boyle at Coe.  And your dark horses from lower level teams, Zweifel at Dubuque and Macey at Cornell.  The pick probably goes to someone at Central or Coe because of their won/loss records.  

I don't think anyone would be able to make too much of an argument against either McMartin or Staker for COY.  Both would be solid picks.  Might be fun to see the board go into meltdown mode if BVU turned out a 6-4 season and then Anderson won COY  

[Fannosaurus Rex]

That is all I was trying to do was state my opinion that Boyle deserves more credit than most Central fans are giving him credit for.  The only game he hasn't performed brilliantly in this season was against the Dutch very early in the season.  Had that game been played later in the season, I think you would have seen a much different ball game.  Not saying Coe would win, but Boyle would play much better. 

My opinion is that the talk has been too much Red   

The Central game was the only time I saw Boyle.  It is where I got the idea that if there was a statistic for missed open receivers by your opponent, the Central secondary might look just a little suspect because it looked to me like Boyle missed a few.  The Coe game is also the only time I saw Snead live.  The man does it all.  He had a td passing and one running, he hands the ball to Zachary, and I think I saw him selling hot dogs at half time.  It is my opinion that he is the biggest difference between this year's 9-0 team vs last year's 6-4 team.  My opinion remains, Snead for POY.

[youcantseemestill]

I was hoping that my post about the amount of Red on this board would be taken in obvious jest, however, I seem to need to make it a point to say that I was only kidding.  To quote Chris Meyers of Fox Sports Radio, "I kid because I care!" 

However, Mr. Snead, while being an outstanding player, has zero chance of getting POY.

[Charlie Kohawk]

I dont know why everyone is getting their panties in a bunch over this.

Especially since these honors will be decided by the coaches at the end of the season and no amount of chat board posturing is going to affect the outcome one way or another. Like everyone, I have an opinion. But I prefer not to waste my time -- or yours -- arguing about things I don't control.

[D O.C.]

Let's jump right to another prognostication...who is going to be picked D3 All-American quarterbacks?

[youcantseemestill]

I dont know why everyone is getting their panties in a bunch over this.

Especially since these honors will be decided by the coaches at the end of the season and no amount of chat board posturing is going to affect the outcome one way or another. Like everyone, I have an opinion. But I prefer not to waste my time -- or yours -- arguing about things I don't control.

Sorry Charlie, its just in my nature to argue.   

[Fannosaurus Rex]

I was hoping that my post about the amount of Red on this board would be taken in obvious jest, however, I seem to need to make it a point to say that I was only kidding.  To quote Chris Meyers of Fox Sports Radio, "I kid because I care!" 

However, Mr. Snead, while being an outstanding player, has zero chance of getting POY.

How about if he puts up some big numbers against Wartburg?  Hypothetically speaking of course.