FB: American Rivers Conference

[footballdaddy]

I'm the one who posted about being concerned about Simpson, but i'm not patting myself on the back. Warthog gave a pretty accurate description of the game. That's the kind of stench that doesn't wash off easily. I watched the game along with several former players and got some interesting viewpoints. In my own opinion.I belive we have some coaching issues. I belive the offensive play calling in the second half was more to not lose the game instead of trying to win it. Our defensive halftime adjustments were non exsistent and nothing was done to stop the roll out passes that killed us in the second half. Possibly this is due to both co-ordinaters benig in the box instead of on the field. I won't even start about our kicking game. This was a game that we could have,and should have won, just the same as the Coe game. Hopefully we can use the bye week to get back on track or Central will embarrass us in front of our home crowd.

[doolittledog]

Wartburg could be a victim of their own success.  There's been a lot of turnover on the coaching staff recently.  Are both coordinators in their 1st season?  That has a big effect on a program. 

And, uh, you know, as tough as it is to swallow a loss that by all accounts you let slip away a sure win.  Wartburg is still 5-2 and will at least be receiving votes if they win out.  8-2 is a great season by most peoples standards. 

Has anyone done the math to see how many teams could end up with 2 losses and share a title that way?

1978 saw a 4 team log jam at the top of the conference with BVU, Central, Dubuque, and Luther all going 5-2.  1990 saw a 4 team tie at the top of the Big Ten with Iowa, Illinois, Michigan St, and Michigan all going 6-2 in conference play. 

Right now 6 of the 9 teams are within 1 game of each other...

Dubuque   4-1 
Central  4-1 
Coe  3-1 
Wartburg 3-2 
Simpson  3-2 
Luther  2-2

[AZDutchman]

I tried locating post on coin toss. I could not find. Is this true? and did it happen in the four way tie in the above post?

[Ash Park]

Homecoming at Cornell was cool until kickoff. Doolittledog was generous with the pre-game beverage. I think that was the only thing Dubuque gave to Cornell for free yesterday. I saw some good things and a lot of frustrating things. Flores was trying to do too much for the team. I don't think he really has to. He needs to learn how to throw the ball away and not try to be Mike Vick or take a sack. Their defense made Dubuque look better than they were. That's not a diss. I'm just saying that good teams don't need any additional help if you expect to beat them.

Zweifel is a good player. There's no need to debate that. He played receiver, corner, returned kicks, and I think I saw him selling 50/50 tickets after they took him out of the game. He's got some shake to his routes but he didn't really have to do anything special to get in the endzone. Their backs run hard. One thing that seemed like a constant all day was Dubuque's DL making their presence known. It'll be interested to see how the rest of their season plays out.

Cornell needs to eliminate their penalties and start playing sound defense. You could hear Coach B remind them to "read their keys" repeatedly. I sat behind the defense so I couldn't hear what was said to the offense. Let's hope they get some things corrected before making the trek to Pella.

Flores reminds me of a young Jermar. UD's line on both sides of the ball was too much for the young Cornell team. They were over matched from a size and experience standpoint as they are most weeks. I saw once again Cornell was struck by injuries. They are still not deep enough to be able to afford those kind of injuries.

[doolittledog]

Iowa Wesleyan going to the SLIAC in D3.

Waldorf is staying NAIA and going to the MCAC

http://www.waldorfwarriors.com/article/220.php

http://www.mcac-naia.org/map.php

That's quite a few long road trips for Waldorf...but oh well. 

The NAIA board mentioned the Graceland president was lobbying for D3 but hadn't found much interest from his alumi base or the IIAC...but no actual news links to that effect.  They also speculate Graceland might leave their conference which is mostly teams in Missouri and Kansas for the league that Grand View, William Penn and St. Ambrose are in...and used to include Iowa Wesleyan and Waldorf. 

I didn't see any talk about Briar Cliff, Dordt, Morningside, or Northwestern thinking about any moves to D3.  Briar Clif and Dordt maybe would think of moving.  The Morningside and Northwestern fanbases would go into meltdown mode if their schools talked about D3. 

[Ash Park]

Iowa Wesleyan going to the SLIAC in D3.

Waldorf is staying NAIA and going to the MCAC

http://www.waldorfwarriors.com/article/220.php

http://www.mcac-naia.org/map.php

That's quite a few long road trips for Waldorf...but oh well. 

The NAIA board mentioned the Graceland president was lobbying for D3 but hadn't found much interest from his alumi base or the IIAC...but no actual news links to that effect.  They also speculate Graceland might leave their conference which is mostly teams in Missouri and Kansas for the league that Grand View, William Penn and St. Ambrose are in...and used to include Iowa Wesleyan and Waldorf. 

I didn't see any talk about Briar Cliff, Dordt, Morningside, or Northwestern thinking about any moves to D3.  Briar Clif and Dordt maybe would think of moving.  The Morningside and Northwestern fanbases would go into meltdown mode if their schools talked about D3.

I would think and I really hope the IIAC is pursuing another school to replace Cornell. As tough as it is to find non-conference games right now I can imagine trying to find 3 will be a battle. Maybe there is something already worked out or in place??

[Floyd in Iowa City]

Congratulations to the Dutch for putting it all together today.  Loras is probably better than they looked today, they just had the misfortune of playing the Dutch after they embarrassed themselves last week.  Nate Snead had all conference player of the week stats today.  Now, if the Dutch can just stay at this level of play for the rest of the season.  It's good to see Central will have some great players to step into the graduating players open spots next year.  Nice to see local Pella player, Blaine F. get some playing time this afternoon.  I think today shows how the Dutch felt about the way they played last week.  Much improved today and I'm not sure how different the calibre of the competition really was.  Way to step up Dutch, now just KEEP IT GOING.

I wonder when the last time Loras was beat by 63 or more?

[Floyd in Iowa City]

Surprised at the Simpson win over Knights.  Thought the Knights had a championship this year but it looks like they are out of it until 2012.  Great stats for Simpson.  Looks like they are a much improved team with each game. 

Cornell did well though Zweifel seems to have buried them with 4 TD's

Of course Central did it's thing to Cornell......who WILL win a game this year in the IIAC !!!

Luther/BV....a struggle between two mediocre teams.  Cornell are you watching?

Congrats to Simpson as well!  You see huge comebacks in football all the time now, but you don't see Wartburg give them up very often.

Luther-B.V. was a struggle between two very mediocre teams that have probably been the overall #4 and #5 programs in the IIAC over the past decade.  Since it has been a 9-team league much of the time, that sounds very mediocre to me!

Cornell might win a game over the next few weeks, but the Norse need the Simpson and Cornell games to have another 4-4 IIAC season!  I know Simpson beat Wartburg, but Luther has a better shot at Simpson than Wartburg.

Mediocre matchup or not, I am happy that the Norse and Hawks got it done on Saturday.  Average is better than the basement!

[Floyd in Iowa City]

Iowa Wesleyan going to the SLIAC in D3.

Waldorf is staying NAIA and going to the MCAC

http://www.waldorfwarriors.com/article/220.php

http://www.mcac-naia.org/map.php

That's quite a few long road trips for Waldorf...but oh well. 

The NAIA board mentioned the Graceland president was lobbying for D3 but hadn't found much interest from his alumi base or the IIAC...but no actual news links to that effect.  They also speculate Graceland might leave their conference which is mostly teams in Missouri and Kansas for the league that Grand View, William Penn and St. Ambrose are in...and used to include Iowa Wesleyan and Waldorf. 

I didn't see any talk about Briar Cliff, Dordt, Morningside, or Northwestern thinking about any moves to D3.  Briar Clif and Dordt maybe would think of moving.  The Morningside and Northwestern fanbases would go into meltdown mode if their schools talked about D3.

I would think and I really hope the IIAC is pursuing another school to replace Cornell. As tough as it is to find non-conference games right now I can imagine trying to find 3 will be a battle. Maybe there is something already worked out or in place??

Why is it so hard now to find non-conference games?  How does this compare to 20 years ago?

[Klompen]

Last week some WB posters were saying it was going to come down to UD and WB tied for first.  Now Warthog is wondering if WB can pull of the upset against the Dutch in a couple of weeks. 

When I read the opening of your post I was confused since I watched all week at the posts hoping no Wartburg fan would come on here and say something like you said that we said.  I went back and searched all last week's posts from Wartburg fans.  None of us said we were going to win the title or share the title with UD.  Most of the posts were about being cautious about Simpson and discussing what to do with a bus load of strippers at the tailgate events.  You can blame us for lots of things, but counting our chickens before they hatch isn't one of them.

Sorry, maybe it was a DBQ fan that said that.  I should have checked my sources better.  My mistake.

[DBQ1965]

Last week some WB posters were saying it was going to come down to UD and WB tied for first.  Now Warthog is wondering if WB can pull of the upset against the Dutch in a couple of weeks. 

When I read the opening of your post I was confused since I watched all week at the posts hoping no Wartburg fan would come on here and say something like you said that we said.  I went back and searched all last week's posts from Wartburg fans.  None of us said we were going to win the title or share the title with UD.  Most of the posts were about being cautious about Simpson and discussing what to do with a bus load of strippers at the tailgate events.  You can blame us for lots of things, but counting our chickens before they hatch isn't one of them.

Sorry, maybe it was a DBQ fan that said that.  I should have checked my sources better.  My mistake.

That probably was me who said that ... making the assumption that both the Knights and the Spartans would run the table.  Well ... Simpson showed me where to put my assumptions ... and I'm not saying anything about the next 3 weeks for UD.

[Willie University]

Last week some WB posters were saying it was going to come down to UD and WB tied for first.  Now Warthog is wondering if WB can pull of the upset against the Dutch in a couple of weeks. 

When I read the opening of your post I was confused since I watched all week at the posts hoping no Wartburg fan would come on here and say something like you said that we said.  I went back and searched all last week's posts from Wartburg fans.  None of us said we were going to win the title or share the title with UD.  Most of the posts were about being cautious about Simpson and discussing what to do with a bus load of strippers at the tailgate events.  You can blame us for lots of things, but counting our chickens before they hatch isn't one of them.

Sorry, maybe it was a DBQ fan that said that.  I should have checked my sources better.  My mistake.

That probably was me who said that ... making the assumption that both the Knights and the Spartans would run the table.  Well ... Simpson showed me where to put my assumptions ... and I'm not saying anything about the next 3 weeks for UD.

Must have been DDog then because it certainly wasn't me. I have never discussed anything but the game at hand each week. The only thing I recall is a wartburg poster talking a couple times about the Knights going 10-0.....

Willie U

[hazzben]

I didn't see any talk about Briar Cliff, Dordt, Morningside, or Northwestern thinking about any moves to D3.  Briar Clif and Dordt maybe would think of moving.  The Morningside and Northwestern fanbases would go into meltdown mode if their schools talked about D3.

Well, they better go into meltdown mode, because DIII is being discussed at the very highest levels at both institutions. Both internally and with one another. Doesn't mean it will happen, but it is being discussed in earnest right now.

[doolittledog]

I didn't see any talk about Briar Cliff, Dordt, Morningside, or Northwestern thinking about any moves to D3.  Briar Clif and Dordt maybe would think of moving.  The Morningside and Northwestern fanbases would go into meltdown mode if their schools talked about D3.

Well, they better go into meltdown mode, because DIII is being discussed at the very highest levels at both institutions. Both internally and with one another. Doesn't mean it will happen, but it is being discussed in earnest right now.

I would love to see that!!!

And there was a poster on there that is a Northwestern fan who said he had a friend that went to Bethel and he knew Northwestern could roll Bethel by 3 scores at least.  Do you know that guy???

[doolittledog]

Must have been DDog then because it certainly wasn't me. I have never discussed anything but the game at hand each week. The only thing I recall is a wartburg poster talking a couple times about the Knights going 10-0.....

Willie U

Hmm, I don't think that was me.  I'm superstitious and have been scared to talk about UD and the future (though I'm happy to talk about anything and everything else).  I suppose it could have been.  I have been known to post on here after I have consumed a few drinks...I'll scroll back a few pages and look around.