FB: American Rivers Conference

[Willie University]

I am sure the coaches have watched both and are addressing the poor tackling at practices this week 

[doolittledog]

Throw the flag ref...

[warthog]

Throw the flag ref...

I just got done discussing your fox problem with Mrs. doolittledog.  I was offering to bring a rifle with a scope to the UD/Wartburg game for you to take home and blast the critter.  After seeing this post, I might keep it locked in the Wartmobile and drop it off at your house after the game.

[doolittledog]

Throw the flag ref...

I just got done discussing your fox problem with Mrs. doolittledog.  I was offering to bring a rifle with a scope to the UD/Wartburg game for you to take home and blast the critter.  After seeing this post, I might keep it locked in the Wartmobile and drop it off at your house after the game.

Even I don't get that mad at the refs...at least I don't think so

[Willie University]

Throw the flag ref...

Homecoming in Pella.......

[putmeincoach]

Throw the flag ref...

they did throw a flag on that play

[notlongago]

Throw the flag ref...

I think they did get called for a hold on this play.

[doolittledog]

I'm being lazy and not looking up which conferences are in the West Region.

Is it...
CCIW, IIAC, MIAC, MWC, NAC, NWC, SCIAC, UMAC, WIAC

If so...would you put them into 3 tiers?

Tier 1 - CCIW, MIAC, WIAC

Tier 2 - IIAC, NWC, SCIAC

Tier 3 - MWC, NAC, UMAC

Does that look about right???  Says the man not really interested in work at this moment

[MasterJedi]

The West Region is: WIAC, IIAC, MIAC, MWC, NWC, SCIAC and UMAC.

So, at least to me:

Tier 1- WIAC, MIAC, NWC

Tier 2- IIAC, SCIAC

Tier 3- MWC

Tier 4- UMAC

[doolittledog]

The West Region is: WIAC, IIAC, MIAC, MWC, NWC, SCIAC and UMAC.

So, at least to me:

Tier 1- WIAC, MIAC, NWC

Tier 2- IIAC, SCIAC

Tier 3- MWC

Tier 4- UMAC

I think for me then it would be...

MIAC, WIAC...top to bottom strong conferences with the top teams making deep playoff runs every year.

IIAC, MWC, NWC, SCIAC...good teams at the top that often make decent playoff runs but don't typically make deep playoff appearances year in and year out...teams at the bottom have the ability to be not very good (NWC in here because some new football programs to the conference have yet to get up there and its been a few years now since Linfield made some real noise...MWC gets in here because 2 teams made the playoffs last year, though the bottom half of the conference is fairly weak)

UMAC...St Scolastica and then a bunch of very weak teams

[hazzben]

The West Region is: WIAC, IIAC, MIAC, MWC, NWC, SCIAC and UMAC.

So, at least to me:

Tier 1- WIAC, MIAC, NWC

Tier 2- IIAC, SCIAC

Tier 3- MWC

Tier 4- UMAC

I'd agree with this one.

Tier 1: Each conference has produced a national champ in the D3football.com era, has had multiple appearances in the Regional Finals and Semi-finals. Great top teams (typically Top 10 material), good depth.

Tier 2: Top teams are competitive (typically Top 25 material) and always a threat to win a game or two in the playoffs. But no recent national champs and pretty infrequent appearances in the Regional Final or Semi-Finals, usually because their run ends against a Tier 1 team. Don't have the quality depth of Tier 1, but better than 3 and 4.

Tier 3: No depth, but every once in a while they'll produce a team that can win a playoff game or two.

Tier 4: Even the best aren't competitive with the tops of the other conferences. Case in point. St. Scholastica went 10-0 and unchallenged in the regular season last year, only to get demolished by UST in Rd 1. This year, NWC is tied for the league lead, but was beaten 52-7 (I think??) by an SJU team that is 0-3 in the MIAC right now.

[DutchFan2004]

I would rate the conferences this way

Tier 1 WIAC

Tier 2 MIAC NWC IIAC

Tier 3 SCIAC

Tier 4 MWC UMAC

The WIAC is clear and away the premiere conference not only in the West but in ALL of D3.  So IMHO they are clear and away up in tier 1 by themselves.  The MIAC NWC and I put the IIAC there because of the past success of the IIAC this year being an exception on an even par with the other two conferences.  If you are going on this year and last then maybe the IIAC belongs in tier 3 but then I believe you need a 4 and 5.  The SCIAC is not all bad but their playoff record is suspect and they finally got 2 teams in the playoffs and they were 0-2.  I rank the MWC and UMAC together not to slight the MWC but because as a whole they are similar in that many of these schools would be like Cornell in not winning a game in any of tier 2's conference let alone win many in the SCIAC. 


In the past ten years the IIAC has had 15 playoff teams with 15 losses and 8 wins.  They have had two regional finalist teams with no semifinalists. 

The NWC had 9 playoff teams in 10 years with 11 wins 8 losses two regional finalists and one semifinalist and that semifinalist being a champ.

The MIAC has incomplete results as the conference website does not have results for the 04 season.  so for 9 years they had 15 playoff teams with 21 wins and 13 loses.  They had 2 semifinalists with 1 champ. 

The NWC did not always have an AQ so that is why no playoff team for 10 years.  The NWC website was hard to navigate and the data is limited so some of their results were educated guesses.  This may be off but did the best I could in a short time.


The MIAC has a winning % of 61

NWC  57

IIAC 34

So if you go by percentage you have to give it to the MIAC and NWC and maybe the IIAC does not belong but the NWC has never had more than 1 playoff team in the playoffs.  Years the NWC have never won a game is 3, IIAC 4, and MIAC 1. 

[warthog]

The NWC had 9 playoff teams in 10 years with 11 wins 8 losses two regional finalists and one semifinalist and that semifinalist being a champ.

The NWC did not always have an AQ so that is why no playoff team for 10 years.  The NWC website was hard to navigate and the data is limited so some of their results were educated guesses.  This may be off but did the best I could in a short time.

I don't believe the NWC became NCAA until sometime between 1997 & 1999

[hazzben]

Tier 1 WIAC

Tier 2 MIAC NWC IIAC

In the past ten years the IIAC has had 15 playoff teams with 15 losses and 8 wins.  They have had two regional finalist teams with no semifinalists. 

The NWC had 9 playoff teams in 10 years with 11 wins 8 losses two regional finalists and one semifinalist and that semifinalist being a champ. They didn't have an Auto bid until a few years ago. And their lack of two teams has more to do with location than quality, IMO.

The MIAC has incomplete results as the conference website does not have results for the 04 season.  so for 9 years they had 15 playoff teams with 21 wins and 13 loses.  They had 2 semifinalists with 1 champ.  10 years = 17 teams; 26 wins & 14 losses; 1 Champ; 4 Semifinals; 5 Region Finals NB: the only regional final loss was MIAC on MIAC crime, Bethel over UST.

I can support putting the WIAC in its own category. I just don't think the IIAC stacks up next to the NWC or MIAC. The past success just isn't there. The top 3 have all produced national champs and semi-final representatives. The IIAC hasn't done either and your win percentage is considerably lower.

And it just gets more lopsided if you include the full D3football era. NWC picks up a 1 more regional, semifinal and national champ. MIAC picks up 3 Regionals; 3 Semis; 1 Stagg Bowl Runner up. By my quick scan, IIAC picks up none of the above.

Obviously we can all cherry pick stats to prop up our points, and that's what makes the debate fun. But when I look at it, whether its 10 years or the D3fb era, one of these (IIAC) just doesn't seem to be like the other two/three (NWC, MIAC, WIAC)

[NewKnightDad]

Good job Knights.

JJ Hanus did a good job today starting at QB for the Knights.  I found out right before the game that Schrader dislocated his non throwing shoulder sometime this week and was not able to play.