FB: American Rivers Conference

Walston Hoover · November 16, 2006, 11:38:40 AM

Quote from: DutchHawk on November 16, 2006, 11:19:37 AM
As for Brautigam I think you need to do more than 6-4 for COY...play consistently tough in all games, and dang...with those athletes, noone can argue that they are the most athleticall talented in the league...yet I dont see them coming any closer than 3rd in the near future.

See COY 2004 Steve Osterberger-BV 6-4 which is a huge turnaround considering he went, oh yeah 6-4 the year before.

D*D was too small to play football 8)

HoosierinIowa · November 16, 2006, 11:55:13 AM

I really believe Coach McMartin deserves the COY. I know Central has tradition and resources but the program was in a confused state, to be polite when he came in. I also am not aware of anyone who was excited about his hiring. To have righted the ship so quickly is amazing.
This is a great board. Go easy on an oldtimer in your replies

DutchHawk · November 16, 2006, 12:20:24 PM

Quote from: Walston Hoover on November 16, 2006, 11:38:40 AM
Quote from: DutchHawk on November 16, 2006, 11:19:37 AM
As for Brautigam I think you need to do more than 6-4 for COY...play consistently tough in all games, and dang...with those athletes, noone can argue that they are the most athleticall talented in the league...yet I dont see them coming any closer than 3rd in the near future.
See COY 2004 Steve Osterberger-BV 6-4 which is a huge turnaround considering he went, oh yeah 6-4 the year before.

D*D was too small to play football 8)

Fair enough WH:) How did that work out that he got that anyways. Wasnt that about the time Raeburn or Willis should have gotten the nod?

DutchFan2004 · November 16, 2006, 12:52:01 PM

D2,

The key thing I see in your post is the a team either lost or beat WB. So by your standards it seems that the COY is WB's and then everyone else has to take it away from them is that why the reference to beating or losing to WB in your post concerning the last few years.

Half the time over the last 6 years. As I stated in a previous post 30 out of 38 years the winning conference coach won or shared the title. After all isn't COY chosen by the coaches themselves. There must have been other reasons that the coaches gave Mac the nod. If you look at the preseason Coe was picked a first place by all the coaches. WB and Central to fight for second and third. I agree with DuthcHawk that Coach K was the front runner for COY until they lost to UD.
I think he did a great job. Since he has been on the staff at WB and the O Cord I think that it wasn't as much of a leap from Willis' team to Coach K's team. He was there it was players he recruited too. To have a coach in his first year at the head and maybe go 9-1 to me no matter where you are at is pretty darn good.

As far as your logic about any one winning at Central cause they get the athletes and have the resources to me does not hold water. If it were true then what explains Coach Kac demise? What explains Coach Willis' success at WB in competing with Central year in and year out if Central had all the cards in their favor. I think it is sour grapes to say what you are saying only for the reasons you have given. You comments have more to do with Coach Willis not getting COY in 03 that really Coach McMartin winning in 06. Isn't that what you are trying to point out here?

DutchHawk · November 16, 2006, 01:07:17 PM

Well put...sour grapes it is.

Walston Hoover · November 16, 2006, 01:12:58 PM

DutchHawk-
Halfway through the year, BV was at the top of the conference in '04, then proceeded to lose 3 of their last 4. In week 1 I believe of the conference BV beat WB at Storm Lake. People thought that BV was the best team in the conf. However, I was saying all year that they were a recipient of a great early schedule and would falter. Their 3 losses at the end of the year were to Central, Coe, and I believe Simpson. If those 3 games are at the beginning of the year, no one ever mentions BV, but since they were at the end, BV appeared in the driver's seat for the bulk of the year and apparently that is good enough for COY.

Dsquared · November 16, 2006, 01:50:59 PM

DF2K4,

As I stated, and you continuously overlook, RECENT history has shown that the voters don't go with the conference champs. 50% of the time is more than enough to prove my point. Read my posts carefully before you bash me for 2 straight days for having an opinion. The fact of the matter is that Willis built WB's program to a place it's never seen before, and he never got the recognition he deserved for it. He got the nod as COY the year that the buzz saw known as Pacific Lutheran ate through D3. All I'll say is 2003 is the best team WB has ever had and he didn't get the nod there. Doesn't mean that Nieman didn't deserve the award... just proves my point further that in RECENT HISTORY the COY doesn't always come from the top team.

Think what you will about student athletes in Iowa who can't quite make the big time and are looking at great D3 programs. There is never a lack of astounding athletes that come through the doors at WB or Central. You are fooling yourself if you think tradition doesn't play a huge role in that. But what do I know... I have on the Orange blinders... right?

Oh... and as long as I'm being the turncoat here, might as well go all the way. TDT and Johnnie Red... pick a tulip in the square for me. The $250 fine is worth it (if you are bad enough to get caught by Pella's finest)!!

GO ST. JOHN'S!!!!!

Quote from: DutchFan2004 on November 16, 2006, 12:52:01 PM
D2,

The key thing I see in your post is the a team either lost or beat WB. So by your standards it seems that the COY is WB's and then everyone else has to take it away from them is that why the reference to beating or losing to WB in your post concerning the last few years.

Half the time over the last 6 years. As I stated in a previous post 30 out of 38 years the winning conference coach won or shared the title. After all isn't COY chosen by the coaches themselves. There must have been other reasons that the coaches gave Mac the nod. If you look at the preseason Coe was picked a first place by all the coaches. WB and Central to fight for second and third. I agree with DuthcHawk that Coach K was the front runner for COY until they lost to UD.
I think he did a great job. Since he has been on the staff at WB and the O Cord I think that it wasn't as much of a leap from Willis' team to Coach K's team. He was there it was players he recruited too. To have a coach in his first year at the head and maybe go 9-1 to me no matter where you are at is pretty darn good.

As far as your logic about any one winning at Central cause they get the athletes and have the resources to me does not hold water. If it were true then what explains Coach Kac demise? What explains Coach Willis' success at WB in competing with Central year in and year out if Central had all the cards in their favor. I think it is sour grapes to say what you are saying only for the reasons you have given. You comments have more to do with Coach Willis not getting COY in 03 that really Coach McMartin winning in 06. Isn't that what you are trying to point out here?

dutchfan1 · November 16, 2006, 02:43:18 PM

Quote from: Dsquared on November 16, 2006, 11:37:39 AM
Sorry DF1... had to jab just a bit

Sorry D2 -- I never got to do my talking on the field, so I'm making up for it on this message board.

What's this "Go Johnnie's" business??

Dsquared · November 16, 2006, 02:51:09 PM

DF1... just had to add fuel to the fire. I've been dubbed a turncoat, so after my predictions for the Dutch this weekend, I obviously HAVE to cheer for the Johnnies... right?

Tell Fasse that I say hi and that he works too hard!!! (I = Diehl, WH said that you work with him at Wells)

dutchfan1 · November 16, 2006, 02:53:58 PM

Fasse works too hard -- thank god I don't have that problem.

You should come out for a restorative beverage with us sometime after work.....

DutchFan2004 · November 16, 2006, 03:05:31 PM

D2,

Who dubbed you a turncoat?

Dsquared · November 16, 2006, 03:23:03 PM

DF1... I'll be in town tomorrow visitng a fellow Wells Fargo-ian. We're headed to El Bait Shop (I'll be en route from CR, so I'll get there about 6), then we're going to Hooters for dinner. Gotta love the FOOD there!!

DF2K4... I was tubbed a turncoat because of my praise of Brautigam after calling UDUB worthless. For what it's worth, I still think UDUB is worthless, but Brautigam had a good enough resume to be COY.

DutchFan2004 · November 16, 2006, 03:28:42 PM

I don't think you are off based on that opinion. As I said before I think the case could have been made for Coach K from WB if the Knights would have won last Saturday. That's who I would have voted for. The UD coach may have been a good candidate as well.

dutchfan1 · November 16, 2006, 03:32:33 PM

D2 -- I was thinking about heading down to Tulip-land tomorrow night for early pre-game festivities. If I stay in town, you can buy me a beer.

DF04 -- did you get my personal message? Are you planning on tailgating with the Johnnies?

DutchFan2004 · November 16, 2006, 03:35:59 PM

Yes I did DF1,

I don't know if with or near but we are planning on tailgating. I would have messaged you back but not sure how and haven't taken the time to learn how to do it. Mrs DF and I will be there in the parking lot before the game.

How long ago did you go to Central. Just curious as we have only had one attend there. Some of our kids friends have attended there and you may know them the MRS was curious.