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[Wartburg Fan]

Dutchhawk

  I think  I remember a couple of weeks ago that everyone was excited that BV beat Bethal  and now you are saying that the competion for Wartburg and Dubuque and not up to standard as having it together. Does that mean that only Central plays good teams? I saw some good thing out of BV  at Wartburg, and yes Wartburg will have their hands full at Luther. But I also believe that this Wartburg team can be very good this year.

[coco]

Congrats to my favorite IIAC teams, the Knights and the Dutch, on your wins yesterday.

The rest of you winners, too. Yeah, you guys, also.

Coco

[Willie University]

Then we have the usuall Cornell and Dubuque posters who jump on the bandwagon early in the season and make some waves.  Calling for respect and things that have not been earned.  Lets face it.  Cornell lost.  Wheather you saw it first hand or not. 

Klopendinger,

I was posting many years prior to UD's recent success and those that were around then will attest to that. And I think you need to edit your "groupings". I seem to recall UD finishing ahead of BV in the standings last year.

Willie U

[old school ENP Tiger]

College Football Fan,

what do you mean that Central looks suspect?  Are you  talking about how they win?     

Central is suspect because they are the top ranked team in the conference, gave up a lot of points, won by a touchdown, and had a 220 yard rusher, 400 yards of offense and 200 yards on special teams. That's 600 yards of offense. Central lost a lead in the second quarter and Luther move the ball well at times.

Based on that performance, Central is suspect to lose a game or two. Lose to the wrong team and it could be over.

Since Central is expected to be the conference representative to the playoff the expectation is higher. With Wartburg looking like they might have it together and Dubuque looking strong, Central could loss.

I gave Central credit for winning. A win is a win on the books. We'll see how the Wartburt – Luther game goes. I might be able to left the suspect tab if I see some consistency.

Not quite sure I totally agree on this one....200 return yards in part comes from kicking off quite a few times (8) 25 yards per kick return would be average maybe a little high but not terrible....140 pass yards not that big of a deal....stopping the run big problems... BUT in the short 4 years of watching Central football they have always played a bend but not break defense...Just a coaching style I guess they drop quite a few and play for turnovers (see top turnover margin last year +19) maybe tops in the nation last year? +6 this year.  Strong running games give them fits (personally not a fan of the 3 man line) If you can run the ball well, if you can not turn the ball over, if you can stop Schuring (if playing) if you can stop Connell (to Huisman/Smith or running the option) then you will beat Central.  Wartburg has that and could (maybe should) have won last year (Schuring 1 long run, Connell option run in OT) Dubuque's numbers always look awesome in the preseason but turnovers (4 last year, Schuring 166 yards)

Every coach in America will tell you that if you limit turnovers run the ball well and play good defense you will win... It will be fun to see what team can do this to win the IIAC

[Klopenhiemer]

Willie U

I first appologize for including you in a grouping that my earlier post indicated.  I have read this board for over 3 years and I recall a long line of posts from you.  I also appologize to anyone else in my groups that are long time posters/readers. 

My post had nothing to do with final standing.  Yes you did finish above BV last year and also beat them if my accounts are correct.  If my post had anything do with this what BV's year end results are then I have nothing to stand on.  Lets look at recent BV records. 

2006:  4-6
2005:  5-5
2004:  6-4 lost the conference championship.
2003:  6-4
2002:  3-7

Not a ton to brag about there. 

What my post was merely trying to explain is that it seem its that every year that we are few people who jump on these bandwagoons and rally behind a few early season wins.  Then to be seen falling off after there team rattles off 3 to 6 losses or finish with 5+ losses.  These are the same people that call for respect and make comments like "this team is a force to recognized"  when they havent even played a season together and we have nothing to recognize besides a couple non conference wins. 

I think I proved my point when I went on to call out my BV boys and there lack of productivity on the offensive side of the ball.  More specifially the rushing attack. 

I am not trying to start a war.  I just  feel in some instances I have seen this board bandwagoon on a few wins, get way to deffenisve off of comments like MNBeev made and then not be heard of later in the season. 

[Purple Heys]

Heys,
I know I didn't have the "first hand experience" of these fearful weapons that Cornell has.  Of course I have hand the 1st hand experience of this incredible unstoppable offense that cornell has.  And these weapons can be stopped...there are tougher defenses out in the IIAC then the Loras'.  Granted Loras does have SOME defensive standouts, but all in all a D lacking completness.  I am still trying to understand 3 wins, I still see 1...I will try to break down the games in my opinion for the season out look.

Luther vs Cornell - To many offensive weapons (Say what!?! Is that give the ball to Sherden left, then right then left?) for the rams to stop, and a D the played pretty well against Central, granted without Schuring, but still it is central.  Loss 

One-dimensional Luther (What passing game?) plays at Ash park after consecutive poundings from Central and Wartburg.  Cornell, off a bye week is rested and ready  W - Cornell

Buena Vista vs Cornell - Cornell at SL, -1 for the rams.  Also a beaver D that is tough against the wing-t, shut out last year, and held for 51 yards rushing.  Against a struggling O, but cornell's D, gets exploited some how by the pass.  Loss

So you're saying bv will win...somehow.  Whoa.  bv's Kicker is gone so bv will have to figure how to get the ball in the endzone...somehow.  On Saturday, BV's offense just ran for 12 more net yards than a team full of dead people.  Cornell can pass and run...forward.  Cornell won't have the same problem as bv, their offense is quite familiar with the endzone.  W - Cornell

Cornell vs Dubuque -  A bad team to schedule for HC. Dubuque on the raise, O and D improved.  Over and done, nothing else to say.  Loss. 

Cornell will have a tough time winning this one, but if there is one of the top 3 Dubuque is the most athletic team in the conference they could nip, it would be DBQ

Simpson vs Cornell - Simpson, they are not the simpson of the past but, they play tough, and O and D that are not bad but not as good.  But dominated cornell last year.  If cornell is better and simpson is worse I will give this game a "it could go either way". 

Simpson is down on Offense and down on defense.  Cornell will score on them...Simpson's play has yet to demonstrate they will respond.  Cornell - W

Central vs Cornell - Loss, nothing else to say, Central is Central, too good all around.  Conceded

Wartburg vs Cornell - Loss, read above about central.    Conceded

Cornell vs Coe - wow, you say the Kohawks are in jeopardy?  The are playing good football, again to many offensive weapons, and a bend don't break D.  LOSS

Offense Coe?  Please.  On paper they should have an offense, on the field they have demonstrated relatively little against bad competition.  Coe, until proven that it actually has generated an offense post-Ashton Northern, is not the automatic W over the Rams

I know I wasn't there to watch Cornell play against Loras  .  And I understand of course your opinions about your team are going to be on the most positive side of everything, and you are entitled to that.  And all the other ram fans are going to do the same, "the rams are so good, so awesome, best offense in the world, coach dillion is amazing, they're going to change around and beat this team and that.  I am sorry but we have all heard it before.  And before you can start talking about 1-2-3-4 wins in the conference please can we see something first, "not literally" we all know I wasn't there.  But I hate to pee in your cheerios but lets be realistic. 

I will give you props for having confidence in your team, and any team can be beaten on any given day, but the rams have a tough, tough schedule for the remainder of the year, I do wish them good luck, it would be great to see them win some games but I am just looking at the games in a point of view that fits me.

I'm not going to go easy on the Beever, June...

There is an old saying: "Anybody can pee on the wall, be a man and crap on the ceiling."

I'm now crapping in your cornflakes MNBeev.  BV ain't that good.

Having not been on this board until this year I have no bandwagon to jump upon.  I am on the one wagon I choose to ride for the next 3 years.  I'll be here, I'll be yappin' and you may not like it.  So lump it.

Your bvd's just got lit for 38 points and responded in kind with a goose egg...That's some O-fensive weaponry there buddy.

I tried to keep it a subjectively objective post...but hey I feel like smackin' now.

Cornell was so worried about that 1st IIAC defense it saw that it put up almost 500 yards of "O".  Mistakes are correctable lack of offense isn't.  Deal with it.  Now I'm gonna hear the excuse, "well Loras doesn't have a true IIAC Defense..."?

Cornell has flaws sure enough.  I have clearly conceded that point before you assign to me the hyperbole in your post.  Those flaws are less this year than the 3 previous however.

Living in the present some IIAC teams (bv, Simpson, Luther, Coe) have lost more to graduation than you care to admit.  The stats coming out are telling the story.

BUT...it's still about W's...right Central.  Central's winning ugly, but winning.  Cornell needs to acquire that skill.  Right now Wartburg looks to be the class of the league, with the DBQ looking scary.  This is a horserace folks at the top and bottom.

I'll say it again.  Take the Rams lightly.  Loras' coaches needed a change of shorts after this last game and know they very well could have lost that one.  Cornell gave it back...AND as I said to Loras credit they capitalized.

Loras was expected to be better than bv, Simpson, and Luther.  If that's the case.

BOW DOWN!

[Ash Park]

Purple Heys I like where your head is at man. Good post!

I would also like to mention that I really do think that heys and myself have been pretty realistic with our rams. We have never said "we are awesome, we are soooo good, we have the best offense in the world, Dillon is amazing." The only thing that  MNbeev had just about right was that yes we have said this program will get turned around and we have said they will beat a team. We'll probably be saying that all year buddy just like the players and coaches at Cornell will go into every game believing they can win and will also play their asses off until the final whistle.

[sportsknight]

Couple quick thoughts on the weekend...

-  First off, great to hear the score from Waverly yesterday.  Sounds like the D really "tightened the screws," to borrow a phrase from Big Willie Style, in the second half.  Knights will face a darn good Luther team next week, but if the D plays like they did that second half against BV, they shouldn't have any trouble.

-  Central looked semi-vulnerable Saturday.  That highly-touted defense had some trouble stopping the Luther rushing game, and there were some issues on the kick coverage team.  That being said, Tim Connell had a great ballgame, delivering a lot of balls as he was getting rocked and delivering them well.  He took more hits than a Phish concert yesterday, but got right back up after every one.  The freshman punter Brondyke had a great game as well.  Despite the loss of Vermeer, thats one spot the Dutch are no worse for the wear this year.

- Iowa-ISU:  I said coming in that it'd be a closer game than every one thought, and even had an inkling that the Clones could pull in out if they played well enough.  Was still a bit surprised when the final came thru.  Hawks have to get the O rolling one way or another if they want to go bowling.

-  Went over to Indianola today to support Joe Biden at the Harkin Steak Fry.  Weird feeling rolling into that town knowing I was backing an underdog.  Ran into some fellow Biden backers from the Muskie area that said they knew the immortal Warthog, so I knew I was in good company.

-  Good meeting DutchFan2004 at the Central game Saturday.  Sounds like I'll be back with the Central broadcast team this weekend in the Key City, so that should be a good time.  I always enjoy a trip to Dubuque, even if it does mean I have to go to Loras.

[Airborne Dutch]

Peeing in cherrios. Crapping in Cornflakes. Remind me never to eat breakfast with you guys. This is too funny though, listening to two lower tier team supporters argue back and forth about who is better. Its kind of like, "my deadbeat dad can beat up your deadbeat dad". Now, don't get me wrong. I'm all for conference parity, I am. I think the better quality teams that are in the league, the better it is for everyone. You make the conference look better and you prepare the eventual conference champion for the playoffs. If every game is a make or break, then teams won't have to change the mindset too much in November. However, until the team actually produces results then people are constantly going to question the statements that are made.

I'll be the first to admit that I was slightly nervous about the Luther game on Saturday and I am glad that it is Sherden's last year. Luther has played Central very tough in the past few years so this was a helluva way to start the Conference schedule. In fact, I think that is the most points that a team has put up against the Dutch in a looonngg time. Wartburg put up 40 on Central in 1999 and Luther put up 35 in 2005. So, it was an unchracteristic performance for the Dutch D. Okay, they'll improve on it and focus on the DuHawks (I am glad that I am not sitting in on the film session with Coach DeWaard today). The great thing about Central teams is that they do a very good job of firing and forgetting. The coaching staff does a very good job of not allowing players to dwell too much.

[DutchFan2004]

sportsknight,

was very good to meet you as well.  + k for the meeting  I think you said it well about Luther and Wartburg.  It will come down to the Wartburg D stopping the running game of the Norse.  Yordi better be ready and the O line better give him time.  After seeing how good the D was for Luther they will give some teams some fits. 

[Purple Heys]

Peeing in cherrios. Crapping in Cornflakes. Remind me never to eat breakfast with you guys. This is too funny though, listening to two lower tier team supporters argue back and forth about who is better. Its kind of like, "my deadbeat dad can beat up your deadbeat dad". Now, don't get me wrong. I'm all for conference parity, I am. I think the better quality teams that are in the league, the better it is for everyone. You make the conference look better and you prepare the eventual conference champion for the playoffs. If every game is a make or break, then teams won't have to change the mindset too much in November. However, until the team actually produces results then people are constantly going to question the statements that are made.

I'll be the first to admit that I was slightly nervous about the Luther game on Saturday and I am glad that it is Sherden's last year. Luther has played Central very tough in the past few years so this was a helluva way to start the Conference schedule. In fact, I think that is the most points that a team has put up against the Dutch in a looonngg time. Wartburg put up 40 on Central in 1999 and Luther put up 35 in 2005. So, it was an unchracteristic performance for the Dutch D. Okay, they'll improve on it and focus on the DuHawks (I am glad that I am not sitting in on the film session with Coach DeWaard today). The great thing about Central teams is that they do a very good job of firing and forgetting. The coaching staff does a very good job of not allowing players to dwell too much.

Check this out, now I get to crack back on the Dutch.

Well, sorry to advise you pal, but at this point you may not automatically count yourself at the top of the IIAC.  It is arguable at this point that Central, without a healthy Schuring is even 2nd.  If I'm casting ballots, I put it Wartburg, the DBQ, then the Dutch.  Now listen close here...thank your defense for saving your necks against Hope.  Had they not knocked the starting QB that could have been a loss.  Sherden's good, but tell me Luther is better without their QB and WR from last year.

Central is not firing on all cylinders...yet.  They were my preseason pick to win, I'll stick with it but spare me the holier than thou attitude.  The last time I was in Pella, I ran into the Mayor and he introduced me to his wife and sister...and there was only one lady standing next him.

[Klopenhiemer]

Peeing in cherrios. Crapping in Cornflakes. Remind me never to eat breakfast with you guys. This is too funny though, listening to two lower tier team supporters argue back and forth about who is better. Its kind of like, "my deadbeat dad can beat up your deadbeat dad". Now, don't get me wrong. I'm all for conference parity, I am. I think the better quality teams that are in the league, the better it is for everyone. You make the conference look better and you prepare the eventual conference champion for the playoffs. If every game is a make or break, then teams won't have to change the mindset too much in November. However, until the team actually produces results then people are constantly going to question the statements that are made.

I'll be the first to admit that I was slightly nervous about the Luther game on Saturday and I am glad that it is Sherden's last year. Luther has played Central very tough in the past few years so this was a helluva way to start the Conference schedule. In fact, I think that is the most points that a team has put up against the Dutch in a looonngg time. Wartburg put up 40 on Central in 1999 and Luther put up 35 in 2005. So, it was an unchracteristic performance for the Dutch D. Okay, they'll improve on it and focus on the DuHawks (I am glad that I am not sitting in on the film session with Coach DeWaard today). The great thing about Central teams is that they do a very good job of firing and forgetting. The coaching staff does a very good job of not allowing players to dwell too much.

Check this out, now I get to crack back on the Dutch.

Well, sorry to advise you pal, but at this point you may not automatically count yourself at the top of the IIAC.  It is arguable at this point that Central, without a healthy Schuring is even 2nd.  If I'm casting ballots, I put it Wartburg, the DBQ, then the Dutch.  Now listen close here...thank your defense for saving your necks against Hope.  Had they not knocked the starting QB that could have been a loss.  Sherden's good, but tell me Luther is better without their QB and WR from last year.

Central is not firing on all cylinders...yet.  They were my preseason pick to win, I'll stick with it but spare me the holier than thou attitude.  The last time I was in Pella, I ran into the Mayor and he introduced me to his wife and sister...and there was only one lady standing next him.

Heys,

Are you kidding me.  This is what you come up with.  You state that if the Central deffense wouldnt have knocked out the Hope starting quarterback, that would have been a loss. 

How in the name of Jesus Christ are can you come to the conclusion.  Sure loosing a starting quarterback changes the game.  But to make that comment is aronius.  That is something I would expect to be said from someone who has little or no football knowledge.  Who says that if the starting quarterback would not have been hurt they still couldnt have won that game. 

And Central.  They are playing with out Schuring.  The TWO TIME CONFERENCE MVP.  What are teams excuses now for not beating them?  They are a good football team and have not lost a conferece game dating back two seasons ago.  So before you start coming up with woulda shoulda coulda losses for central, keep picking on your own team and BV, Luther and all of us others who have lost. 

[MNbeev]

Heys,
I know I didn't have the "first hand experience" of these fearful weapons that Cornell has.  Of course I have hand the 1st hand experience of this incredible unstoppable offense that cornell has.  And these weapons can be stopped...there are tougher defenses out in the IIAC then the Loras'.  Granted Loras does have SOME defensive standouts, but all in all a D lacking completness.  I am still trying to understand 3 wins, I still see 1...I will try to break down the games in my opinion for the season out look.

Luther vs Cornell - To many offensive weapons (Say what!?! Is that give the ball to Sherden left, then right then left?) for the rams to stop, and a D the played pretty well against Central, granted without Schuring, but still it is central.  Loss 

One-dimensional Luther (What passing game?) plays at Ash park after consecutive poundings from Central and Wartburg.  Cornell, off a bye week is rested and ready  W - Cornell

Buena Vista vs Cornell - Cornell at SL, -1 for the rams.  Also a beaver D that is tough against the wing-t, shut out last year, and held for 51 yards rushing.  Against a struggling O, but cornell's D, gets exploited some how by the pass.  Loss

So you're saying bv will win...somehow.  Whoa.  bv's Kicker is gone so bv will have to figure how to get the ball in the endzone...somehow.  On Saturday, BV's offense just ran for 12 more net yards than a team full of dead people.  Cornell can pass and run...forward.  Cornell won't have the same problem as bv, their offense is quite familiar with the endzone.  W - Cornell

Cornell vs Dubuque -  A bad team to schedule for HC. Dubuque on the raise, O and D improved.  Over and done, nothing else to say.  Loss. 

Cornell will have a tough time winning this one, but if there is one of the top 3 Dubuque is the most athletic team in the conference they could nip, it would be DBQ

Simpson vs Cornell - Simpson, they are not the simpson of the past but, they play tough, and O and D that are not bad but not as good.  But dominated cornell last year.  If cornell is better and simpson is worse I will give this game a "it could go either way". 

Simpson is down on Offense and down on defense.  Cornell will score on them...Simpson's play has yet to demonstrate they will respond.  Cornell - W

Central vs Cornell - Loss, nothing else to say, Central is Central, too good all around.  Conceded

Wartburg vs Cornell - Loss, read above about central.    Conceded

Cornell vs Coe - wow, you say the Kohawks are in jeopardy?  The are playing good football, again to many offensive weapons, and a bend don't break D.  LOSS

Offense Coe?  Please.  On paper they should have an offense, on the field they have demonstrated relatively little against bad competition.  Coe, until proven that it actually has generated an offense post-Ashton Northern, is not the automatic W over the Rams

I know I wasn't there to watch Cornell play against Loras  .  And I understand of course your opinions about your team are going to be on the most positive side of everything, and you are entitled to that.  And all the other ram fans are going to do the same, "the rams are so good, so awesome, best offense in the world, coach dillion is amazing, they're going to change around and beat this team and that.  I am sorry but we have all heard it before.  And before you can start talking about 1-2-3-4 wins in the conference please can we see something first, "not literally" we all know I wasn't there.  But I hate to pee in your cheerios but lets be realistic. 

I will give you props for having confidence in your team, and any team can be beaten on any given day, but the rams have a tough, tough schedule for the remainder of the year, I do wish them good luck, it would be great to see them win some games but I am just looking at the games in a point of view that fits me.

I'm not going to go easy on the Beever, June...

There is an old saying: "Anybody can pee on the wall, be a man and crap on the ceiling."

I'm now crapping in your cornflakes MNBeev.  BV ain't that good.

Having not been on this board until this year I have no bandwagon to jump upon.  I am on the one wagon I choose to ride for the next 3 years.  I'll be here, I'll be yappin' and you may not like it.  So lump it.

Your bvd's just got lit for 38 points and responded in kind with a goose egg...That's some O-fensive weaponry there buddy.

I tried to keep it a subjectively objective post...but hey I feel like smackin' now.

Cornell was so worried about that 1st IIAC defense it saw that it put up almost 500 yards of "O".  Mistakes are correctable lack of offense isn't.  Deal with it.  Now I'm gonna hear the excuse, "well Loras doesn't have a true IIAC Defense..."?

Cornell has flaws sure enough.  I have clearly conceded that point before you assign to me the hyperbole in your post.  Those flaws are less this year than the 3 previous however.

Living in the present some IIAC teams (bv, Simpson, Luther, Coe) have lost more to graduation than you care to admit.  The stats coming out are telling the story.

BUT...it's still about W's...right Central.  Central's winning ugly, but winning.  Cornell needs to acquire that skill.  Right now Wartburg looks to be the class of the league, with the DBQ looking scary.  This is a horserace folks at the top and bottom.

I'll say it again.  Take the Rams lightly.  Loras' coaches needed a change of shorts after this last game and know they very well could have lost that one.  Cornell gave it back...AND as I said to Loras credit they capitalized.

Loras was expected to be better than bv, Simpson, and Luther.  If that's the case.

BOW DOWN!

Dear, Poop In cereal

Luther will absolutly dominate cornell, who cares if they give it to sherden, if he can get it done, he can get it done, and when he can score against Central's D, Cornell is going to have a very, very, very long day. 
Ok BV will win, held to 12 yards rushing against a very tough Wartburg D.  Remember and read above if need be, BV held Cornell to just 51 yds rushing with their Tremendous O.  And yes a Cornell O that is familiar with the Endzone playing teams that are as good as High School teams, way to go 2 wins BARELY.  What was this they wwere going to blow out Alma's School for the Dead and Blind?

Trust me, Cornell against Dubuque wow, you have high hopes...Most athletic Team in the conference, against the most UNathletic teams.  Yep, could be a nipper, NOT.  Dubuque 52-7, the 7 comes when dubuque puts in their cheerleaders. 

I will give you simpson.   Remember that is 1.

Coe well good luck with the high hopes still. 

And if you read above, PLEASE, read carefully, carefully there was nothing said about BV's offensive weaponery, in all my previous posts I have been saying how BV's O is struggling...But I will watch and see the out come of the Cornell/Wartburg game to see how Cornell's scary O and Amazing D, stops the Knights...And remember, you even said Wartburg looks to be the class of the League, and you will eat every word about bv's 38-0 loss, when they destroy the Rams...And lastly no team can be taken lightly, well just one, the rams.  Come on this is smack more like patty-cake...Trust me, if Cornell beats any of the mentioned teams above, besides simpson, that is the ONE I'll give ya, I will give you the blessings a 1,000,000 blessings, and won't hear a single word about the rams and how crappy they truly are, and how every ram fan on here thinks they will conquer the world in just 2 years of a new coach, how they are so potent with that O, and that stingy D, and how they can beat any team they just need to "capitalize" and blah, blah, blah, once again we've heard it all once before....Lets see it.  So if they do, do anything this year worth recognizing, I will take time out of my busy work schedule to apologize, and really, give you some congrats.

Thank you every one, I'm out.

[dbljay21]

Its a good thing I skipped breakfast this morning 

A lot of energy on the board this morning after only 1 week of conference play...that's awesome.  Keep 'em coming guys...

[Norsedad]

GEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZ........to quote Rodney King..."Cant we all just pee in the cherrios?"