FB: American Rivers Conference

[Charlie Kohawk]

Imagine how things would be at Cornell without him.

Um, 0-8?

[dutchfan1]

Imagine how things would be at Cornell without him.

Um, 0-8?

LOL 

[Walston Hoover]

Imagine how things would be at Cornell without him.

Um, 0-8?

Twice today a Coe post has got me to chuckle and/or agree. You guys are on a roll.
Purple Heys, I've got some brutal smack this week. We can keep it private if you want.

[Purple Heys]

Imagine how things would be at Cornell without him.

Um, 0-8?

Twice today a Coe post has got me to chuckle and/or agree. You guys are on a roll.
Purple Heys, I've got some brutal smack this week. We can keep it private if you want.

Bring it...it's all in fun.

[DutchHawk]

Hey, DutchHawk, tell us about your recruiting visits.  I always like hearing what you guys thought of schools on your visits and why you liked or disliked the coaches or schools. 

I will give Brautigam credit, he was brutally honest in the sense that he talked about how they were not good but were going to be challengeing. That was just something I didnt want, I wanted to win, and I was willing to sacrifice a year or 2 of playing varsity time to do so. Which is what happened at Central. I didnt want to play a lot but lose by 40 each week. Overall I didnt think it was a bad visit but winning is what it came down to for me.

[Purple Heys]

Imagine how things would be at Cornell without him.

Um, 0-8?

Thank you Captain Obvious.

In perspective that would mean he's responsible for 100% of our wins...might even be a fair statement.

Of course I was speaking of something a bit more difficult to comprehend for a Coe grad...a concept such as leadership; the likes of which might be demonstrated by a coach shaking hands with another after his team lost.

Or committment; such as what may be demonstrated by a star player who sticks with his school through good times and bad.

8)

[DutchFan2004]

So basically the ballots may not be filled out until the coaches meet.  If you can not vote for yourself I think Coe and Wartburg are at a disadvantage for COY.  With what the posters have said if true it would be a cold day you know where before those two coaches vote for each other.  That may very well have been what kept Coach Willis from it as well.    Those two schools are two votes down from the get go.  I do however think the coaches would play it more straight up for the players and not let bias sway the vote.  

[DutchFan2004]

I can honestly say that Loras and UD never called on my son to play for them.  BV and Simpson sent letters but no calls or personal invites.  Coe, Wartburg, and Central were the only coaches I remember calling and talking about a visit.  Now they may have gone to the school and I didn't know about that.  That is possible.  Cornell and Luther did send a letter as well if memory serves. 

[Storm-what?]

Thought I'd add in my two cents after last weekend. After competing against both, it is my opinion that Wartburg is a better team than Central. Now, it could be that the Dutch just played bad against the Storm this year, but I don't think so. They certainly did not play like a #6 team. I agree that they seem disciplined but the bottom line is that Wartburg's athleticism will trump the Dutch discipline.

Thought I'd also throw in my 2 cents on recruiting and opinions of colleges. I have to say I echo the centiment on Central. (you can take it with a grain of salt if you like, since I went to Simpson. Although my opinino was formed after my campus visit, before I had ever even looked at Simpson.) Now, I won't go so far as to say Cult'ish, but if I were describing it to a friend I'd probably say kind of a "holier than thou" attititude. I think some of it stems from the very conservative religious background of the institutation, but not sure. I have known good kids that have gone there, it's nothing like that, I'd agree it's just a little different culture than most private colleges. I'd say in all honestly, Wartburg does the best job, you can tell it is a priority of the college that their coaches WILL recruit and do it well. They are persistent and aggressive. Wartburg has made athletics a priority more so than any other IIAC school. They make recruiting a priority. They invest in facilities. they don't accept failure.  The only reason I didn't go there was because I liked the Simpson campus and location better and it felt like a better fit. But as far as consistency of contact, Wartburg was (and I think still is) the most aggresive. I didn't visit many of the others at that time. I did visit BV and it had a note of desperation in my opinion. Really big promises, "we're the best at everything!" type of attitude. I can see years later why it didn't seem very authentic- it's not very true!

I never considered UD, Loras, Cornell or Luther. Coe- so-so but I eliminated if fairly early on becasue of being in the ghetto. (Ha ha, j/k, I know Coe'ites are sensitive about that!)

[LC65]

Coach B at DBQ ought to be COY. He took an aweful Dubuque squad that would MAYBE get one or two wins a few seasons ago, into a team that went 6-4 (5-3 IIAC) last year, and is 6-2 already (4-2 IIAC) this season, in a very tough conference from top to bottom. The question I pose, though, is has DBQ turned the corner? Is this winning for them going to continue in future seasons, or will they revert back to the old Spartans after Jackson graduates this year?

[footballdaddy]

That's a point I brought up earlier. I guess if he wins COY this year,we will see if he eaarned it next year without  Jackson.

[doolittledog]

Thing is, this years Dubuque team has 23 seniors with a lot of those being 4 year starters.  If next years Dubuque team falls back to a 4-6 team will everyone be jumping up and down saying same old Dubuque or will they realize that any coach that loses 23 seniors will probably suffer a bit in the win/loss department?

[DutchHawk]

Thought I'd add in my two cents after last weekend. After competing against both, it is my opinion that Wartburg is a better team than Central. Now, it could be that the Dutch just played bad against the Storm this year, but I don't think so. They certainly did not play like a #6 team. I agree that they seem disciplined but the bottom line is that Wartburg's athleticism will trump the Dutch discipline.

Thought I'd also throw in my 2 cents on recruiting and opinions of colleges. I have to say I echo the centiment on Central. (you can take it with a grain of salt if you like, since I went to Simpson. Although my opinino was formed after my campus visit, before I had ever even looked at Simpson.) Now, I won't go so far as to say Cult'ish, but if I were describing it to a friend I'd probably say kind of a "holier than thou" attititude. I think some of it stems from the very conservative religious background of the institutation, but not sure. I have known good kids that have gone there, it's nothing like that, I'd agree it's just a little different culture than most private colleges. I'd say in all honestly, Wartburg does the best job, you can tell it is a priority of the college that their coaches WILL recruit and do it well. They are persistent and aggressive. Wartburg has made athletics a priority more so than any other IIAC school. They make recruiting a priority. They invest in facilities. they don't accept failure.  The only reason I didn't go there was because I liked the Simpson campus and location better and it felt like a better fit. But as far as consistency of contact, Wartburg was (and I think still is) the most aggresive. I didn't visit many of the others at that time. I did visit BV and it had a note of desperation in my opinion. Really big promises, "we're the best at everything!" type of attitude. I can see years later why it didn't seem very authentic- it's not very true!

I never considered UD, Loras, Cornell or Luther. Coe- so-so but I eliminated if fairly early on becasue of being in the ghetto. (Ha ha, j/k, I know Coe'ites are sensitive about that!)

Tough to legitimately compare two schools that you played on two seperate weekends so far apart, its been over a month if memory serves me correctly. The Dutch were missing a few very key players during the Simpson game and are back now so hopefully you will be eating your words come 5pm on the 10th! Do you play at Simpson...because you said you competed against both. I dont think its wise to be on here talking when you are a member of a team. I love how Central can keep winning and people keep doubting! Bring it on!

As for recruiting...everyone has their opinions. If they dont like it they dont come. Central will continue to get great athletes and I dont see them falling off the top of the conference in the future. It hasnt happened in over 40 years, why would it start now. Some people may think there is a holier than thou attitude but it obviously works. If you want to win, and play hard nosed blue collar football Central is a great place to be!

[Klopenhiemer]

I love how Central can keep winning and people keep doubting! Bring it on!

I dont think anyone was doubting you on this one boss.  I think the the person was simply stating that after playing against the two teams he formed an opinion.  Your right you are winning, thats why you do not see anyone talking about the the BV v. UD game this weekend.  When you win you have people taking shots at you.  Some are right and some are wrong.  Most are motivated by the fact that everyone wants to be in your position so they try to find ways to bring you down instead of elevating themselves. 

I saw no doubting in this post...merely a formation of an opinion.  And yes I did play against Wartburg and Central.  I agree Warburg always seemed more athletic to play against.  Central always found a way to win.  So keep on top young blood and and Id love to be taking mortar shells in SL this late in the year with people doubting the Beavs could close out as champs.  Fact is they are out of it and have been for weeks. 

[Klopenhiemer]

I did visit BV and it had a note of desperation in my opinion. Really big promises, "we're the best at everything!" type of attitude. I can see years later why it didn't seem very authentic- it's not very true!

Were you there for a basketball recruiting trip or a football recruiting trip.  If you were meeting with VH and the basketball team you might have got that impression and frankly they can act that way until they lose. 

I have a hard time find the football coaches would do the same.  BV if anyone hasnt visited is a nice campus.  They have a nice weight room facility and locker rooms.  Nothing extra special but its clean, updated and workable.  The athletic training facility is top notch and so id the education.  If you meant you were in the school of business listening to how the classrooms were build off the Harvard school of business model, then yes a better than attitude might be seen.  They have a excellent business school as do many IIAC schools.  This is why you see the grads scattered across the midwest and most being successful.  Now the new science center that they build is second to non and would posses and better than any other school's attitude. 

The biggest problem that BV faces is the  town it resides in SL.  Not many kids will give it a chance and go visit there.  I was reluctant but once I got on campus the feeling was great.  It felt like a place to call home.  Considering BV battles in recruiting location, talent level, and everything else, I have a hard time believing this. 

But before anyone jumps down my throat I do accept that opinion and that is why there are many colleges to choose from.  Some work for some kids and some dont.