FB: American Rivers Conference

[repete]

Can anyone tell me the web site that I can listen to CENTRAL beating the jonnies game.

Try www.fantasyradio.com

[repete]

I think that would be a good hire for Simpson. Does he have any collegiate coaching experience at any point in his career? I'm not real familiar with him other than Valley.

Back to more immediate developments, I don't think either team walks away with a big win. I think it's going to be close and I like Central's chances in a close game. What NCAA team has won more close games in the last 2 years? I doubt anyone has even been involved in that many. That's a team that is going to be mentally tough enough to win a big game down the stretch.

How about the physical part of the game? Not much has been said about the big uglies up front? Will Central have success running the football? Schuring I think is close to 100% and may finally be playing up to his ability. He deserves a big day after an injury-plagued year. Of course I know the records and the success of St. Johns, but how can a team that doesn't even tackle in practice play physical in games? Doesn't make sense to me. And how do you learn to play to the whistle if there are no whistles in practice? And how do you find a date at an all male college? (just kidding, I get there is an all girls school right there, right?)

How does a coach win a record number of games?  Do yourself a favor and pick up one of the books about the greatest coach in college football history...do you know they are practicing less than an hour per day right now?...and all they do is run plays, no drills?

The J's contained Schuring and the Dutch O last year for the most part...and I think they will be able to hold them down again...Jerry Haugen and Gary Fasching are two of the best defensive minds in the game and they were taught by the best mind in CFB.

I've read the book and as I said in my post, I know the records/success... I was asking how it translate to wins on the field? Some of your fellow Minnesotans actually answered my question. Call me old fashioned but it just doesn't seem like football to me, but I guess if it works for you guys...Do you think it would work for any other coaching staff or is it an attribute to Coach Gagliardi?

Go Dutch!

by the way, where is Airborne Dutch? Is he on a mission or something?

It only has to "feel like football" on Saturday, right?

Seriously, though, I think it takes a larger commitment than a lot of folks realize, including finding and developing the right players early and sticking with the program completely. I don't doubt that someone else could develop something similar but you need the right set of circumstances.

[Rhino_05]

DutchHawk;  You appear conflicted in your analysis of your team... so what are they?  Are they young or are they old?  "Older more mature" followed by "young but talented Offensive Line".

I'm all for picking apart flawed arguments, but a team can have a young o-line and remain a veteran team overall.

Unfortunate for your squard however as the "seasoned" Johnnie defensive front will enjoy smacking around your talented group of young offensive lineman.

For all the yapping about your MVP laden offense, expect far less production on Saturday.  If the strength of your squad was the defense you might be able to hang for 2 quarters.  As it is the match-up does not look favorable.  Great Johnnie Defense, Prolific Johnnie Offense.  The J's have picked the right time of year to start playing "Johnnie Football".

Developing.....

Yapping?  I never knew how much hot air could come rolling in from our neighbors to the North.  I must say I have been educated, though, in the last 4 days or so.  Things I've learned:
1)Gagliardi/staff are unbeatable.  How they've ever lost a game is beyond me.
2)The Johnnies will win no matter what kind of game it becomes.  They score at will on turf and dominate track meets. 
3)Johnnies=Good...Central=Lucky. 

Teams make their own luck.  Were the Johnnies 'lucky' last year converting 4 of 6 4th downs?  I don't think so....I'd call that making plays.  Same goes with the Central teams of the last few years, especially this year...they've made plays when it counted.  Would I like to see more convincing wins and better stats?  Sure, but 11-0 and counting is fine with me.

Now go ahead and rattle off how history and stats favor SJU.  We all know what the score is on that front, but history is history and stats don't win games.  I'm looking forward to another great game on Saturday between two great teams/programs.

Developing...

[Klompen]

Thanks for the welcome, DF1.  I forgot to mention I was a first time poster, but it is pretty easy to pick up with the number of posts right there.  

I think OAS did us a favor by predicting the game to be a one touchdown difference.  He just goofed on who would win.  A game within one touchdown is right where we like things, wouldn't you say.  Dutch find a way again!  I never count these guys out and I almost consider it a bad omen to be leading before at least midway through the third quarter.  

I also think it helps that most of the teams we have yet to play (notice I think we have more than one team yet to play this year) have no idea just how injury riddled Central really was this year.  People throw around stats for Schuring, as if the fact that he appeared in several games and took a few handoffs meant he was playing healthy and should have comparable stats to last year.  He may not have been able to run well, but that kid can pass block like nobody else.  He is better on the field injured than most players are when healthy.  Connell is a fantastic QB and deserves every bit of recognition he gets, but he got some incredible pass blocking from an injured conference MVP who was able to put the team's needs first.  

I'm ready for Connell to have another MVP day and Vance to catch them off guard, just when they think they have us all figured out.  

[Klopenhiemer]

No wireless internet in the outhouse...spent most of the morning in there trying to clean it out.  wow the mrs. left a pile in there

On to football.  Is anyone else hoping for a 25 degree day with howling wind so that we can settle whos oline/dline is better. 

This argument is like big brother little brother who broke my GI Joe. 

[Fannosaurus Rex]

I haven't been able to get out to Iowa for a while.  Who talks more trash, St. John's fans or presidential candidates?

[TC]

Yapping?  I never knew how much hot air could come rolling in from our neighbors to the North.  I must say I have been educated, though, in the last 4 days or so.  Things I've learned:
1)Gagliardi/staff are unbeatable.  How they've ever lost a game is beyond me.
2)The Johnnies will win no matter what kind of game it becomes.  They score at will on turf and dominate track meets. 
3)Johnnies=Good...Central=Lucky. 

I love how all of you Iowans wish away everything coming from St. John's fans as "hot air" when you don't have a response.  Twice this week I have brought up the point that no one has come close to stopping the Johnnies on offense this year when the game has been played on artificial turf.  Let me rephrase it.

The teams that have beaten/stayed close with St. John's in the last handful of years--UW-Whitewater, Bethel, Concordia-Moorhead--have had a few key things in common:

--Very strong O-Line and rushing attack:  Bethel's had Porta and Flannery, UW-Whitewater's had the Beav, and the Cobbers don't even pretend to try to pass the ball (except for this year, and we saw how that worked).  The offensive lines have been just as talented. 

--Ability to control the clock and keep the score low:  This relates directly to being able to run the ball and keep it away from the Johnnies, but all of those other teams were also able to get St. John's off the field effectively.  If the Johnnies are able to get into the end zone a few times, typically the opponent is in big trouble.

--Nearly all the games have come on grass fields, most in bad weather:  I'll admit, poor footing and cold/wet weather will likely affect the Johnnies more than most teams because they run more of a finesse/timing offense that is dependent on people being where they need to be, when they need to be there, catching the ball when it's thrown to the right spot, and doing something with it once it's caught.  I hate to keep harping on it, but the three games St. John's has played on grass this year have all been in less-than-ideal weather and the Johnnies have looked ridiculously weak in those games.

If this was Central of old--running the ball, running the clock, controlling the trenches--and it were on the old mud field (well, the weather looks like it will be nice--mid 40s, clear), I'd be much more concerned about this weekend's outcome.  As is, I think a team that needs to get a passing game going to move the ball and has given up multiple scores to everyone, playing a game on a turf field in decent weather, is a team the Johnnies can beat.

That isn't to take anything away from the Dutch--they're obviously a good team from a good conference in a good region.  On paper, they just don't seem to match up well with St. John's.  Then again, I'd love to hear a well reasoned argument for why I'm wrong. 



Also, to recap, teams that have beaten recent Central playoff teams:
--St. John's
--Other strong West teams

Teams that have stayed close to recent Central playoff teams:
--Everyone

--for all the haters.

[Klopenhiemer]

Would it be safe to say that since the recent uprising of UW-W that they are the CURRENT power of the tri-state region. 

Lets put aside who beats who on Saturday.  Does either team feel that posses the talent to take them down.  Due to logistics I would assume that whoever comes from this region Central, Bethel, or St. Johns would be forced to play them on their turf. 

I am trying to get past the whos outhouse stinks more arguments and find out what each side thinks looking ahead. 

[DustySJU]

Would it be safe to say that since the recent uprising of UW-W that they are the CURRENT power of the tri-state region. 

Lets put aside who beats who on Saturday.  Does either team feel that posses the talent to take them down.  Due to logistics I would assume that whoever comes from this region Central, Bethel, or St. Johns would be forced to play them on their turf. 

I am trying to get past the whos outhouse stinks more arguments and find out what each side thinks looking ahead. 

Klopen?;  Check the brackets.   

[janesvilleflash]

Just have to beat Mount Union to play UWW.

[DustySJU]

I haven't been able to get out to Iowa for a while.  Who talks more trash, St. John's fans or presidential candidates?

That'd be us and anyone on the democratic ticket.

[Klopenhiemer]

Would it be safe to say that since the recent uprising of UW-W that they are the CURRENT power of the tri-state region. 

Lets put aside who beats who on Saturday.  Does either team feel that posses the talent to take them down.  Due to logistics I would assume that whoever comes from this region Central, Bethel, or St. Johns would be forced to play them on their turf. 

I am trying to get past the whos outhouse stinks more arguments and find out what each side thinks looking ahead. 

Klopen?;  Check the brackets.   

Sorry boys I inserted the wrong team.  I wanted to say Mt. Union.  edit last post and procced considering mt union

[Seton41]

I haven't been able to get out to Iowa for a while.

This is a good thing, no?   

[DutchHawk]

I dont think it matters what field the game is played on Saturday. The Dutch are 30-3 the last 3 seasons, I dont care what the margin of victory was or whatever happened in the games. We know how to win the big games, how did that work out for you guys against the mighty Royals?

The Dutch D isnt to be taken lightly. As Rhino05 said, we are young up front, everywhere else is more experience. Dsquared is a WB poster who had many of the same, "prolific offense that cant be stopped" thoughts before they played the Dutch, 52 yards rushing is what they got that game on us. Wartburg had blown out everyone they had played before us and we beat them so why do you guys think you will blow us out? Just show some logic for your posts. Dont use the Augsburg argument, BV beat Bethel, who beat you, who Wartburg beat by 30 some. Theres no associative property in football, show up and play.

Im sure when you guys lose youll be all over how Kofoed played so terrible and wont give any credit for being beaten by a better team. I guess thats how Gag's teaches sportsmanship and "winning with no" No taking responsibility for being outplayed?

[TC]

The Dutch are 30-3 the last 3 seasons and you guys dont have time to pry your lips off Gag's and Kofoed's ass for more than 30 seconds to see the rest of the picture.

Im sure when you guys lose youll be all over how Kofoed played so terrible and wont give any credit for being beaten by a better team.

Your post is beyond ridiculous, but those two lines there stand out.

For a guy who holds every major passing record in school history, has been all-MIAC for four years (a 2nd team and 3 1st's), and is a Gagliardi Trophy finalist, he gets absolutely no respect from Johnnie fans, especially on this forum. 

For what it's worth, I get labeled the biggest Kofoed kiss-ass on this board and I'm not even sure he should have been first-team All-MIAC this year.  He's a good quarterback but he's inconsistent.  I don't think anyone around here will argue he's anything more than that. 

Love the rest of your "hot air" though.




Klopen, I think everyone nationwide views UW-W as #2 in the country and the clear #1 among traditional West teams, and I think it will stay that until a West team beats them (so at least until next year). 

Regard who the best team is in this year's actual "West" bracket, your boys have their name on it until someone knocks them off.  Luckily, it will be decided on the field.