FB: American Rivers Conference

[the_mayne_event]

So the flip side is...

Is a passing offense good for one's defense.  Incomplete passes stop the clock and get no positive yards.  Your defense more likely spends more time on the field, wearing down. 

What do you defensive guys think about having to back a passing offense?

Lastly, a passing team is more susceptable to the weather.  Not a problem in San Diego...could be an issue in Iowa.

The spread can fall victim of the weather terrible - as you could see in the 07 Coe-Wartburg game. Wartburg won because they had a smash mouth running game in place, and Coe did not (one of Raeburns faults). One advatage is that the offensive player know where they are going to cut - which gives them time to slow down. if its muddy though, forget about it.

i like having short pass route set up the run in college. especially for zone blocking schemes.

[Willie University]

Shawn Tate holds 3 of the top 10 single season passing performances with:
2. 2308 (1997)
4. 2237 (1996)----didn't start until 3rd game of the season
10. 1850 (1998)---missed a couple games with injury

Jermar Jackson
1. 2562 (2005)
6. 2096 (2006)

Roger Waialee
3. 2283 (1987)

Paul Krause
5. 2210 (1966)

Single Game Performances:
Tate holds 6 single game best performances out of 16 in UD's history (4 in top 10 all versus IIAC teams)
Jackson holds 5 single game best performances (3 versus IIAC teams)
Waialee holds 3
Krause holds 1

Tate
1. 499 yards VS Buena Vista (1996)
2. 399 yards VS Luther (1997)
6. 362 yards VS William Penn (1996)
7. 361 yards VS Loras (1996)
10. 344 yards VS Simpson (1996)
16. 306 yards VS Cornell (1997)

The interesting thing was, UD's offense was probably better back during Tate's time at UD 96-98 but they didn't win as many games as Jackson's teams.

During Tate's years, UD also had the All time leading rusher in OT Cruz and all time leading WR in Matt Plummer.

Not exact averages but those teams probably averaged 30+ points a game. Problem was, they couldn't stop ANYONE which lead the losses.

Willie U

[Willie University]

And let it be known, my previous posts are not biased just because Tate is a good friend of mine and groomsman in my wedding 

He really was the best passer ever to come out of UD TO DATE and I'll stick by that opinion until someone proves me wrong in the future.

Willie U

[DBQ1965]

Willie U ...

I appreciated your comments regarding Tate and Jackson as the best QBs ever for UD ... but era by era or generation by generation, I would say they were among the best.

For example, in the mid-60s, UD had a transfer from the Air Force Academy by the name of Paul Krause.  He re-wrote the record books at the time (still is listed among the Top Ten UD QBs statistically) and I'm pretty sure was All-Conference his senior year.  At the time, he was "the best" ... now among the best ... along with players like Tate and Jackson.

REMEMBER THE SPARTANS!

95 Day until kick-off! 8)

I went to one of my old programs to look up the records.....

The top 4 all time passers at UD were:
Shawn Tate- 6395 (3 years at UD)
Jermar Jackson- 5839 (4 years at UD)
Roger Waialee- 4127 (2 years at UD)
Paul Krause- 3634 (2 years at UD)

So, based on that info, I think it is hard to say who the BEST was? Tate had the most career yards but who knows what Krause and Waialee would have done if they would have played for 4 years? BUT, for that matter, Tate actually didn't start until like the 3rd game of his 1st season and missed some time to injury in one of the other seasons. In total, I think he played in maybe 25 games.

I will stand by Tate as the BEST passing QB UD has ever had with Waialee and Krause as close 2nd's and Jackson as the 4th best passing QB and best Running QB.

Willie U

Good analysis.  I think your "ratings" probably are right on!  Thanks for that.

Does anyone have the site for comparing teams from one year to another?  I thought I had that saved, but apparently not.

[Purple Heys]

So as my first official informational update, the first pre-season polls are out.  Granted the accuracy and genuine research that goes into these pre-season polls is questionable, because both of these magazines commit more pages to pictures of cheerleaders than coverage of D3 football, here they are:

Sorry for the long post, I will now sit back and invite the spirited discussion begin.

Next time please include ratings of aforementioned cheerleaders...that'll go a long way with this crowd.

8)

[Purple Heys]

Hey Pat when can I buy Kickoff for REAL D3 ratings and info?

[Ram2]

RAM2 are you coming back this year?  If not are you going to coach somewhere?

Unfortunately not!! I have moved to Des Moines. I would have loved to stay but all the pieces just couldn't fit. right now I am not currently coaching but I hope to find something here.

[Walston Hoover]

Several old Wartburg and Simpson Football players will converge on Steamboat Rock this weekend for canoing, camping, drinking, grilling, and to rehash the great debate of who should have been the IIAC MVP in 2003.

[Ram2]

So the flip side is...

Is a passing offense good for one's defense.  Incomplete passes stop the clock and get no positive yards.  Your defense more likely spends more time on the field, wearing down. 

What do you defensive guys think about having to back a passing offense?

Lastly, a passing team is more susceptable to the weather.  Not a problem in San Diego...could be an issue in Iowa.

The spread can fall victim of the weather terrible - as you could see in the 07 Coe-Wartburg game. Wartburg won because they had a smash mouth running game in place, and Coe did not (one of Raeburns faults). One advatage is that the offensive player know where they are going to cut - which gives them time to slow down. if its muddy though, forget about it.

i like having short pass route set up the run in college. especially for zone blocking schemes.

A good passing attack does have it's advantages, just like any scheme. But I'd prefer a solid running attack and a manageable passing offense. For the simple fact of time management.  if an offense can control the clock that puts your team in a better position to win. That's not always the case, but it gives you a better chance. It keeps my defense off the field, and gives the the offense momentum. Which is VERY important in college football.

[dutchfan1]

Several old Wartburg and Simpson Football players will converge on Steamboat Rock this weekend for canoing, camping, drinking, grilling, and to rehash the great debate of who should have been the IIAC MVP in 2003.

Still not satisfied that Donneworth should have got it, eh? Come on, WH, '03 was the only decent year Simpson has had this decade. I think we should let him keep the award. 

[warthog]

I'm thinking the UD fans would want to consider Rick Steil, the IIAC MVP in 1979 and two time all-conference, as possibly the best qb in Spartan history.  UD won two outright titles with him running the show in the back field.  Regardless what the stats say, by virtue of the championships, he was the most successful qb at Dubuque in the past 80 years.

[Storm Chaser]

Several old Wartburg and Simpson Football players will converge on Steamboat Rock this weekend for canoing, camping, drinking, grilling, and to rehash the great debate of who should have been the IIAC MVP in 2003.

Still not satisfied that Donneworth should have got it, eh? Come on, WH, '03 was the only decent year Simpson has had this decade. I think we should let him keep the award. 

DutchFan -  now you went and did it -  Did Simpson not beat the mighty Dutch - um let's see -LAST YEAR.  2008 was the could have been year.  Lost to Wartburg by 8 on a game that turned on a couple plays, 4 huge turnovers gave a 3 point win to Coe and  p-ssed down their leg at BV with 5 or 6 turnovers.  Led conference in both total offense and total defense so you have to rate as a DECENT year.

[doolittledog]

I'm thinking the UD fans would want to consider Rick Steil, the IIAC MVP in 1979 and two time all-conference, as possibly the best qb in Spartan history.  UD won two outright titles with him running the show in the back field.  Regardless what the stats say, by virtue of the championships, he was the most successful qb at Dubuque in the past 80 years.

Yeah, but Steil threw 7 interceptions in 1 game!!!  1979 against Ithaca  

Are we going with "most successfull" or "the best"

In the end, it's hard to compare against different eras.  There wasn't as much passing in older eras, so it's hard to go off of stats.  I like saying players "are among the best"  and then mention players that were the best in their day.  Though, I suppose, if you can't compare among the different eras...then going with the most successfull would be the way to go.  But then you give it to Steil with his 3 conference titles and 7 interception game

In my time at UD Roger Waialae was fun to watch.  He had a great arm and was a good runner as well.  His problem was he was prone to make mistakes...and lots of them.  46 interceptions in his 2 years at UD.  And a whole lot of fumbles because he held the ball like a loaf of bread.  He must have been pretty good...he's the last starting QB for UD to beat Central  He is now the Head Football and Golf coach at D2 West Liberty in West Virginia.  

[warthog]

One less than stellar game does not define a career.  Most teams would accept a quarterback who throws 12 interceptions in one game if he could lead them to three straight conference titles (two outright). 

I'll still vote for Steil. 

[doolittledog]

I was just trying to point out how unusual it is to see a stat like 7 interceptions in 1 game.  I'm surprised UD would even have a stat like that in their record book.  Any time a school can win 3 straight conference titles they must have had some great players on their team.  Players that should be recognized.  Can't really argue against the fact that Stiel was the most successfull.  As to who is the BEST QB Dubuque has ever had?  Everyone will have their favorites.  Probably best to lump 5 or 6 together and note that they were special to the school while they were there.  I do like how WillieU is putting them into passing or running QB categories though.  That is a good idea, especially at the college level.