FB: American Rivers Conference

[warthog]

Thought for the day:

Back in 1990, the Government seized the Mustang Ranch brothel in Nevada for tax evasion and, as required by law, tried to run it. They failed and it closed.  Now we are told to believe our banking system, our auto industry and possibly our health plans can be run by the same people who couldn't make money running a whore house and selling whiskey!

- Don Sliefert

[doolittledog]

Hey DBQ1965...here's a few pictures to try to get you to talk your wife into you two coming back for the UD homecoming...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/nmstory/3853583662/sizes/l/in/photostream/

http://picasaweb.google.com/rodrigohaddad77/2008_10DubuqueMiscellaneous#slideshow/5255354591518455090

http://picasaweb.google.com/rodrigohaddad77/2008_08DubuqueUniversityOfDubuque#slideshow/5242275652284127250

http://picasaweb.google.com/rodrigohaddad77/2008_08DubuqueUniversityOfDubuque#slideshow/5242275741635652722

I'll leave out the picture I have of the faculty representative to the Mu Sig fraternity in 1969 hoisting a beer

[Walston Hoover]

I just voted in the poll above.
My thoughts have been skewed a little on that.
The sophs I coach have punted less than once a game over the past 2 seasons, and had a kicker nail a 53 yarder and we kickoff a lot. I'll take a good kicker over punter any day.
Probably depends a lot what your experiences are.

[Purple Heys]

I just voted in the poll above.
My thoughts have been skewed a little on that.
The sophs I coach have punted less than once a game over the past 2 seasons, and had a kicker nail a 53 yarder and we kickoff a lot. I'll take a good kicker over punter any day.
Probably depends a lot what your experiences are.

I thought about your perspective...my last coaching experience was that we had a dominant defense and offense we simply tried not to screw it up.  Our punter, who would go on to play in the NFL, punted with so much hang time and had a knack for pinning the opponents deep in their own terrritory, punts wer rarely returned.  But then I remember back...that same kid was our kicker and he kicked a 57 yarder.  But mostly we expected him to make the 25 yarders...

But with  juggernaut offense, when would you ever punt?  And, yes, the number of PAT's and kickoffs would far outnumber the number of punts.

[coocooforcoekohawk]

I think the third category  "who needs them" and the amount of votes it has gotten is the most interesting result of the poll

[the_mayne_event]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/e60/news/story?id=4419237


New article about AP/Coach Thomas

[Walston Hoover]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/e60/news/story?id=4419237


New article about AP/Coach Thomas

Thanks for that. My brother had mentioned a while back that someone from ESPN called to interview him and I had been keeping an eye out for it.

[sportsknight]

Thought for the day:

Back in 1990, the Government seized the Mustang Ranch brothel in Nevada for tax evasion and, as required by law, tried to run it. They failed and it closed.  Now we are told to believe our banking system, our auto industry and possibly our health plans can be run by the same people who couldn't make money running a whore house and selling whiskey!

- Don Sliefert

That's weird, I thought this was a football board.   

[sportsknight]

I just voted in the poll above.
My thoughts have been skewed a little on that.
The sophs I coach have punted less than once a game over the past 2 seasons, and had a kicker nail a 53 yarder and we kickoff a lot. I'll take a good kicker over punter any day.
Probably depends a lot what your experiences are.

I thought about your perspective...my last coaching experience was that we had a dominant defense and offense we simply tried not to screw it up.  Our punter, who would go on to play in the NFL, punted with so much hang time and had a knack for pinning the opponents deep in their own terrritory, punts wer rarely returned.  But then I remember back...that same kid was our kicker and he kicked a 57 yarder.  But mostly we expected him to make the 25 yarders...

But with  juggernaut offense, when would you ever punt?  And, yes, the number of PAT's and kickoffs would far outnumber the number of punts.

I can definitely see both sides of the argument, but in the end I can't get over how much of a difference the Brondyke kid has made for Central, especially going back to his freshman year when they made the deep run in the playoffs.  Field position can determine the winner or loser of a game more than a lot of other factors, and in an evenly matched game (and WH I'm assuming a lot of your games weren't all that evenly matched), a good punter and punt coverage team can dictate field position a lot more than a kicker can.

[Walston Hoover]

To add to that discussion-
Iowa State played 2 games last year where they didn't punt. Lost 1 and won 1.

[Purple Heys]

Just read through the IIAC on Kickoff

It appears the person who covered our conference did a whole lot of research on Central and not much on anybody else.

I love Kickoff on the whole, but I am underwhelmed by the IIAC section

We can do better though!

How about some Fan camp capsules!

Mine's coming in a couple of days...

[Purple Heys]

I think the Kicker/Punter poll has turned inside out a couple of times now.

In a close game, field position over the course of the game is a more valuable commodity, IMHO.  And I agree with SK that this is where the punter has more influence on the game.

Late in the game, having that kicker come through is the difference between winning and losing.

That said...I would say a mediocre kicker should be able to make a 30 yard field goal about 50% of the time.

In a close game I'll take field position and the great punter and take my chance that the kicker will make 1 of 2 chipshot field goals.

[footballdaddy]

My camp report is that Wartburg is no threat this year. No one should spend any time preparing for them. Spend all your time getting ready for Cornell.

[the_mayne_event]

I just voted in the poll above.
My thoughts have been skewed a little on that.
The sophs I coach have punted less than once a game over the past 2 seasons, and had a kicker nail a 53 yarder and we kickoff a lot. I'll take a good kicker over punter any day.
Probably depends a lot what your experiences are.

I thought about your perspective...my last coaching experience was that we had a dominant defense and offense we simply tried not to screw it up.  Our punter, who would go on to play in the NFL, punted with so much hang time and had a knack for pinning the opponents deep in their own terrritory, punts wer rarely returned.  But then I remember back...that same kid was our kicker and he kicked a 57 yarder.  But mostly we expected him to make the 25 yarders...

But with  juggernaut offense, when would you ever punt?  And, yes, the number of PAT's and kickoffs would far outnumber the number of punts.

I can definitely see both sides of the argument, but in the end I can't get over how much of a difference the Brondyke kid has made for Central, especially going back to his freshman year when they made the deep run in the playoffs.  Field position can determine the winner or loser of a game more than a lot of other factors, and in an evenly matched game (and WH I'm assuming a lot of your games weren't all that evenly matched), a good punter and punt coverage team can dictate field position a lot more than a kicker can.

Coe lost (all) 3 games in 07 because of missed field goals/extra points. Field position can be a factor in winning or losing a game, but points actually win or lose the game.

[Purple Heys]

2 games we nearly won last year - Grinnell and Central - could be seen as lost due to missed PAT's and FG's

Against Grinnell our punting was awful, against Central it just as bad and Brondyke kept us pushed back most of the game...especially late in the game.

Still...just make our PAT's and we would have been 2-8 with an IIAC win last year.

Wait a minute...now I'm waffling!