FB: American Rivers Conference

[caddy1]

Central-YARDS
Top 3 Running backs    top 4 Receivers
449                                  309
340                                    45
146                                    42
                                          39
Coe
190                                   258
54                                    176
51                                    144
                                         142   

Wartburg
302                                   260
288                                   160   
148                                   150
                                         142

Dubuque
445                                   510
79                                    343
74                                    130
                                         109

[caddy1]

Cornell - YARDS
Top 3 running backs          top 4 receivers
288                                        282
246                                        235
  17                                        179
                                                96

Loras
140                                         254
107                                         130
  21                                         103
                                                 71

Luther
176                                         190
127                                         182
  46                                         106
                                                 68

Simpson
253                                        200
224                                        181
213                                        147
                                                92

BV
120                                        135
102                                        105
  49                                          97
                                                58

[DutchHawk]

Caddy - good data but what are we looking for here?

[warthog]

Thought for the day:

Winning is like shaving; you do it every day or you wind up looking like a bum.

- Jack Kemp

[caddy1]

Caddy - good data but what are we looking for here?

Every coach is looking for balance - I see some teams that should be easily stopped.
EXAMPLE
Dutch - 2 good runners and only ONE receiver to stop -
Warty - pretty balance in both categories
Dub - one back - 2 receivers and youve gotem stopped
Simpson - good balance - might catch a few coaches guessing wrong on what to stop
BV - doesn't look like very many threats
Coe - One back - 4 decent receivers - stop the passing game

The stats are the facts so all you arm chair coaches how do you stop these teams?

[DutchHawk]

Caddy - good data but what are we looking for here?

Every coach is looking for balance - I see some teams that should be easily stopped.
EXAMPLE
Dutch - 2 good runners and only ONE receiver to stop -
Warty - pretty balance in both categories
Dub - one back - 2 receivers and youve gotem stopped
Simpson - good balance - might catch a few coaches guessing wrong on what to stop
BV - doesn't look like very many threats
Coe - One back - 4 decent receivers - stop the passing game

The stats are the facts so all you arm chair coaches how do you stop these teams?

**Disclaimer - I will concentrate on the Dutch during this post due to my familiarity**

Its very misleading to only look at rushing and receiving as a way to stop a team. Each game there are hundreds of "hidden yards" i.e.: punting, punt coverage, punt returns, kickoffs, coverage, returns and so on. Sticking an opponent repeatedly inside the 20 by punting (ex: Central) greatly increases your offensive efficiency and allows shorter fields for the offense to work with to score, therefore less total yardage. Having a short field also changes the plays you call in this instance. Having played for the Dutch I can vouch that, generally, Central is a run first team. Wear down the other team, eat up the clock. As a wise man once told me, the best defense is a ball control offense. Keep the other teams O off the field and they can't score.

As far as stopping a team, Central looks one dimensional by your data, however their kicking units are traditionally some of the best in the conference. Also, no one has been able to effectively stop the run game thus far, so why go away from it. Dont fix whats not broken right? They have thrown effectively when they have needed to. (game winning drive vs UWSP)

You bring up some interesting points but there is SO much more than just what you have listed.

[Old Dutch]

Caddy1:  Thats a lot of work for very little information.  Season stats are 50% non-conference at this point in the year, and with Luther and BV having had bye weeks, even more than that.  Besides Central wins more games when out gained than half the teams in the conference win.

[warthog]

I have to agree with Old Dutch and DutchHawk.  There are many factors that have not been considered and we are only two weeks into the conference race.

I noticed Caddy1 completely ignored what I find to be a very important statistic; tailgating balance.  

Wartburg fans have shown superior balance according to these unofficial numbers:

Through four games:

Beer:                                                              Food:

Bud Light (12 oz servings)-------2732             Bratwurst-----------2028
Miller Lite (12 oz servings)-------2347             Hotdogs------------1875
Coors Light (12 oz servings)-----2074              Hamburgers--------1578
Michelob (12 oz servings)--------1852             Pork Sandwiches---1399
Corona (12 oz servings)---------1725             Barbequed Ribs-----1145
Heineken (12 oz servings)-------1674             Chicken Breasts-----943
Old Milwaukee (12 oz servings)--1595             Turkey Legs---------921
Hub City (12 oz servings)--------1230            Sub Sandwiches-----749

[Thunderbolt]

Caddy - good data but what are we looking for here?

Every coach is looking for balance - I see some teams that should be easily stopped.
EXAMPLE
Dutch - 2 good runners and only ONE receiver to stop -
Warty - pretty balance in both categories
Dub - one back - 2 receivers and youve gotem stopped
Simpson - good balance - might catch a few coaches guessing wrong on what to stop
BV - doesn't look like very many threats
Coe - One back - 4 decent receivers - stop the passing game

The stats are the facts so all you arm chair coaches how do you stop these teams?

Not sure how you stop them, but you can slow them down by not allowing them to play Rockford, Lakeland, Wisconsin Lutheran, Grinnell ect. IIAC only stats after everybody gets a chance to run against UD and pass against Cornell would help to balance the scale. Coe and Wartburg stats are probably close to what they will resemble at the end of the season.

[Thunderbolt]

I have to agree with Old Dutch and DutchHawk.  There are many factors that have not been considered and we are only two weeks into the conference race.

I noticed Caddy1 completely ignored what I find to be a very important statistic; tailgating balance.  

Wartburg fans have shown superior balance according to these unofficial numbers:

Through four games:

Beer:                                                              Food:

Bud Light (12 oz servings)-------2732             Bratwurst-----------2028
Miller Lite (12 oz servings)-------2347             Hotdogs------------1875
Coors Light (12 oz servings)-----2074              Hamburgers--------1578
Michelob (12 oz servings)--------1852             Pork Sandwiches---1399
Corona (12 oz servings)---------1725             Barbequed Ribs-----1145
Heineken (12 oz servings)-------1674             Chicken Breasts-----943
Old Milwaukee (12 oz servings)--1595             Turkey Legs---------921
Hub City (12 oz servings)--------1230            Sub Sandwiches-----749

Knight fans eat way to much.

[Purple Heys]

Caddy:

It's not the numbers, it's the matchups and the making of plays when there are plays required to be made...

Central, for example, is routinely outgained by opponents.  One might argue that they were simply "stopped" as you phrase it.

Yet they find a way to win...how would you measure that?

[DutchHawk]

Caddy:

It's not the numbers, it's the matchups and the making of plays when there are plays required to be made...

Central, for example, is routinely outgained by opponents.  One might argue that they were simply "stopped" as you phrase it.

Yet they find a way to win...how would you measure that?

I believe I like to use this odd looking symbol.... "W"

[Fannosaurus Rex]

I have to agree with Old Dutch and DutchHawk.  There are many factors that have not been considered and we are only two weeks into the conference race.

I noticed Caddy1 completely ignored what I find to be a very important statistic; tailgating balance.  

Wartburg fans have shown superior balance according to these unofficial numbers:

Through four games:

Beer:                                                              Food:

Bud Light (12 oz servings)-------2732             Bratwurst-----------2028
Miller Lite (12 oz servings)-------2347             Hotdogs------------1875
Coors Light (12 oz servings)-----2074              Hamburgers--------1578
Michelob (12 oz servings)--------1852             Pork Sandwiches---1399
Corona (12 oz servings)---------1725             Barbequed Ribs-----1145
Heineken (12 oz servings)-------1674             Chicken Breasts-----943
Old Milwaukee (12 oz servings)--1595             Turkey Legs---------921
Hub City (12 oz servings)--------1230            Sub Sandwiches-----749

I can't believe you got me craving a turkey leg and a Heineken at 7:00 A.M.  It will be a long day.

[Klompen]

[**Disclaimer - I will concentrate on the Dutch during this post due to my familiarity**

You bring up some interesting points but there is SO much more than just what you have listed.

Don't leave out a very effective back-up QB who can run an excellent 2 minute offense.

[the_mayne_event]

Caddy - good data but what are we looking for here?

Every coach is looking for balance - I see some teams that should be easily stopped.
EXAMPLE
Dutch - 2 good runners and only ONE receiver to stop -
Warty - pretty balance in both categories
Dub - one back - 2 receivers and youve gotem stopped
Simpson - good balance - might catch a few coaches guessing wrong on what to stop
BV - doesn't look like very many threats
Coe - One back - 4 decent receivers - stop the passing game

The stats are the facts so all you arm chair coaches how do you stop these teams?

Stopping is easier said then done...
how do you stop 2 good running backs AND stop a good receiver - it takes 4 really good dlinemen (so you don't have to blitz) leaving the linebackers free to roam - you also need 3 good linebackers that can read plays and make plays
then you need a really good cornerback to shut down that receiver, and probably a good safety to shadow him. then you have to worry about the other players that, if are coached well, will be able to step up and fill holes and find obvious voids in the defense because they are concentrating so much on 3 players.

in coe's case - one of those top receivers is also probably their starting running back. their offense is designed around creating space for play makers, some of Hammes's receiving yards could be considered long pitches - Coe uses some of their passing game as their running game.
The only team that has been able to stop Coe consistently over the years has been Wartburg (hate to admit it). What they did was blitz the house nearly every play daring receivers to beat them. For some reason Coach R  never decided to throw a million screens at them