FB: American Rivers Conference

[Klompen]

If you had Hansen, Boyle, Reynolds, and Snead all on the same team which would you play and who would be getting better...  Being the QB you are the hero or the goat to the fans. 

Well, being a Central fan, I have to say it would be Snead getting better.  I just don't want any of those other guys playing against us because I respect them all. 

I agree the QB gets the most attention, not sure if I am totally willing to say the QB is either hero or goat.  I remember years when Tim was at Central that Vance got the hero role.  And this year DZ is doing a fantastic job, but it is always stated that the rhinos are creating nice holes for him to run through.  Different receivers have stepped up in different games.  Shane Wong, Steenhoek, Van Arkel, Baethke... gets lots of credit on defense.  Brondyke, Viggers, Ver Meer were always given plenty of recognition on the kicking side of things.  So I think the team recognition is really there, maybe more so this year than in some years at Central.  But I will agree the person in the QB spot has more pressure both on and off the field.

[Spurrier]

Hey spurrier.  How's Cincy doing this year?  They any good?   

Were you conflicted at all last week with your son on one team and your local team with your former coach on the other sideline??? 

6-0. . .ranked #5 BCS. . . sounds pretty good to me. . .spurrier jr knocked a usf player into leavitt on the sideline on a kickoff. . .see you in pasadena in jan.

[DutchHawk]

Cincy is having a good year, but no way should they be ranked ahead of the Hawks!

Only BCS Top 25 team to beat 3 BCS Top 25 teams.

Arizona
Wisconsin
Penn State

No other team can claim that. Hawkeyes #1?? Haha jk

Badgers are somehow #21 in the BSC standings  , but not Top 25 in any of the TOP 25 polls...do you really think they are top 25 worthy?  I don't.

What I think and what the almighty computers tell us are 2 different things. Regardless of opinions this is the system we have been given, and therefore the Hawkeyes can make that claim!

So I dont think you can rank Boise St or Cincinnati or USC above Iowa for that matter.

[Walston Hoover]

SOrry I haven't been around a lot. Don't mean to take off when things are rough but we've got a pretty special season brewing of our own down here in WDM and that's taken up a ton of time here the last couple weeks.
I haven't gone back and read the previous takes on the Knights so maybe what I think goes along with others and maybe its completely opposite.
Problem #1. Defense can't get off the field on third down. I think it is largely in part to not having a stud DL like we have in the past. Back 7 seem to be OK, front 4 is good against the rush, but struggles to get a rush when need be and teams are feasting on the Knights blitzing.
Problem #2. Valuing the football. Last 4 possessions of the game Saturday were 4 turnovers. OL seems to be as talented as ever, but right now the pass game is unable to take any pressure whatsoever off the run game. I don't know if there is a stat for drops on a season, but the WR's have dropped several balls and I think that has lead to Yordi trying to force things to other guys when it isn't there, thus an inflated number of INT's. There's no "go-to" guy at Rec and it shows.
These coaches aren't idiots, and the KNights will be back. Its the same staff that had the Knights 3 rounds deep in the playoffs last year.

As much as it pains me to say, I thought Coe's Offensive gameplan was outstanding on Saturday. From the looks of the teams, I don't think they had as much talent up front as the Knights did, but they did some things to counter that and I was impressed.

[Purple Heys]

These coaches aren't idiots, and the KNights will be back. Its the same staff that had the Knights 3 rounds deep in the playoffs last year.

Clearly the operating principle here...flash back to Central one year ago at this point.  One year like this makes you hungrier and appreciate success all the more.

This Central team plays with a different sense of urgency than the 3 Dutch teams I've see before.  I have no doubt Wartburg's season on the brink will bear fruit in the future judging by past history.  It will be tougher without an experienced QB...so their road back may be a bit bumpier.  Unless there's a windfall in the local summer roofing industry... 

[coocooforcoekohawk]

 

[SpeedKills84]

Cincy is having a good year, but no way should they be ranked ahead of the Hawks!

Only BCS Top 25 team to beat 3 BCS Top 25 teams.

Arizona
Wisconsin
Penn State

No other team can claim that. Hawkeyes #1?? Haha jk

Badgers are somehow #21 in the BSC standings  , but not Top 25 in any of the TOP 25 polls...do you really think they are top 25 worthy?  I don't.

What I think and what the almighty computers tell us are 2 different things. Regardless of opinions this is the system we have been given, and therefore the Hawkeyes can make that claim!

So I dont think you can rank Boise St or Cincinnati or USC above Iowa for that matter.

Wisconsin lost two games to highly ranked teams and are 5-2 and were ranked 25 before the loss to Iowa.  So is it the right position?  Maybe.  Maybe not.  Iowa is a weird team.  Beat Penn St and UW and damn near lost to UNI and Ark St.  I wouldn't put my money on any team that up and down regardless of their current record.  You can only dodge so many bullets.

[DutchFan2004]

SOrry I haven't been around a lot. Don't mean to take off when things are rough but we've got a pretty special season brewing of our own down here in WDM and that's taken up a ton of time here the last couple weeks.
I haven't gone back and read the previous takes on the Knights so maybe what I think goes along with others and maybe its completely opposite.
Problem #1. Defense can't get off the field on third down. I think it is largely in part to not having a stud DL like we have in the past. Back 7 seem to be OK, front 4 is good against the rush, but struggles to get a rush when need be and teams are feasting on the Knights blitzing.
Problem #2. Valuing the football. Last 4 possessions of the game Saturday were 4 turnovers. OL seems to be as talented as ever, but right now the pass game is unable to take any pressure whatsoever off the run game. I don't know if there is a stat for drops on a season, but the WR's have dropped several balls and I think that has lead to Yordi trying to force things to other guys when it isn't there, thus an inflated number of INT's. There's no "go-to" guy at Rec and it shows.
These coaches aren't idiots, and the KNights will be back. Its the same staff that had the Knights 3 rounds deep in the playoffs last year.

As much as it pains me to say, I thought Coe's Offensive gameplan was outstanding on Saturday. From the looks of the teams, I don't think they had as much talent up front as the Knights did, but they did some things to counter that and I was impressed.

I know you are busy with the Maroons, would you say that the Knights got out coached?  I am not trying to read things into your last paragraph but that is what I am taking away from it.  I am not or will not write the Knights off ever.  Only the players can do that.  I think they can still get back on track.  This is the time that good teams circle the wagons and weather the storm or they fold.  Time and effort will tell. 

[warthog]

Yeah, I don't give much credence to a Willis team not losing two in a row.  That may just be good scheduling that you don't hit the tough teams two in a row.  

Well Klompen may be on to something.  In the ten seasons between 1999 and 2008 the Knights had 20 losses.  They never had two losses in a row.

Seven times the losses ended the season
Three times the Knights beat Central after a loss
Two times the Knights beat Coe after a loss
Two times the Knights beat Loras after a loss
Two times the Knights beat Luther after a loss
Two times the Knights beat Augsburg after a loss
One time the Knights beat Cornell after a loss
One time the Knights beat Buena Vista after a loss

As a Central fan Klompen may want to amend his observation

[Walston Hoover]

5 years ago, I may have been one to claim a team got out-coached. However 5 years of coaching has taught me several things, maybe no more important from a spectators point of view than you can have a great plan X's and O's-wise, and have it coached up to the finest detail, but sometimes it just is not executed. Maybe its a wrong route, a lineman going the wrong direction, and maybe its a talent issue altogether. Unless it is something blatant, like going for it or passing on run downs or calling timeouts at questionable times, it is very tough for me to claim a team gets outcoached.

SOrry I haven't been around a lot. Don't mean to take off when things are rough but we've got a pretty special season brewing of our own down here in WDM and that's taken up a ton of time here the last couple weeks.
I haven't gone back and read the previous takes on the Knights so maybe what I think goes along with others and maybe its completely opposite.
Problem #1. Defense can't get off the field on third down. I think it is largely in part to not having a stud DL like we have in the past. Back 7 seem to be OK, front 4 is good against the rush, but struggles to get a rush when need be and teams are feasting on the Knights blitzing.
Problem #2. Valuing the football. Last 4 possessions of the game Saturday were 4 turnovers. OL seems to be as talented as ever, but right now the pass game is unable to take any pressure whatsoever off the run game. I don't know if there is a stat for drops on a season, but the WR's have dropped several balls and I think that has lead to Yordi trying to force things to other guys when it isn't there, thus an inflated number of INT's. There's no "go-to" guy at Rec and it shows.
These coaches aren't idiots, and the KNights will be back. Its the same staff that had the Knights 3 rounds deep in the playoffs last year.

As much as it pains me to say, I thought Coe's Offensive gameplan was outstanding on Saturday. From the looks of the teams, I don't think they had as much talent up front as the Knights did, but they did some things to counter that and I was impressed.

I know you are busy with the Maroons, would you say that the Knights got out coached?  I am not trying to read things into your last paragraph but that is what I am taking away from it.  I am not or will not write the Knights off ever.  Only the players can do that.  I think they can still get back on track.  This is the time that good teams circle the wagons and weather the storm or they fold.  Time and effort will tell. 

[warthog]

Thought for the day:

The toughest thing about success is that you've got to keep on being a success.

- Irving Berlin

[DutchHawk]

WH -

Agree with you, execution is key. Where does top notch execution come from though then is the next question. Kids can have all the talent in the world and not execute the perfect game plan and still lose. Teaching execution year round, emphasizing it as a priority is part of the coaching staffs duty as well. A great example is this years Iowa team, not flashy, not the best athletes, but damn do they play fundamentally sound football. **for the most part**

[Old Dutch]

Cincy is having a good year, but no way should they be ranked ahead of the Hawks!

Only BCS Top 25 team to beat 3 BCS Top 25 teams.

Arizona
Wisconsin
Penn State

No other team can claim that. Hawkeyes #1?? Haha jk

You're letting your inner Bumblebee out here DH

[Old Dutch]

The extended four week forecast:

The chance of the Knights' 2009 record being < 5-5 4-6.......1%    
The chance of the Knights' 2009 record being 5-5 4-6..........10%  
The chance of the Knights' 2009 record being 6-4. 5-5.........54%53  
The chance of the Knights' 2009 record being 7-3. 6-4.........35%  
The chance of the Knights 2009 record being 7-3...............1%*  

Fixed it to be more realistic.

*The Dutch may be good but they aren't invincible.

[5 Words or Less]

Boyle's "pick-free" season is impressive

PLAYER / TEAM	G	Comp-Att-Int	Pct.	Yards	TD	Long	Avg/G
Brad Boyle / Coe	6	131-209-0	62.7	1470	11	70	245.0