FB: American Rivers Conference

[DutchFan2004]

Here's a Setup...

WIAC:  1 team or 2 teams:  With the stacked WIAC, it's hard to argue against.  I'd take a 2 loss WIAC rep over a 1 loss SCIAC or MWC rep.  Prediction: 2 teams

MIAC: 1 team or 2 teams:  The way it seems likely to play out, I look for 2 teams, MIAC is a committee fave.  Prediction: 2 teams

NWC:  1 team or 2 teams:  Linfield will win out, Willamette 2 losses hurt.  Prediction: 1 team

IIAC: 1 team or 2 teams:  Central winning out clinches for them; the Kohacks winning (IF they beat my Rams,  ) makes it a horse race.  Prediction: Kohacks left high and dry and deserving...1 team...but in a given scenario, a 1 loss Kohack team should, IMHO, get in before a 2nd SCIAC team.

SCIAC: 1 team or 2 teams:  Why does this always draw so much discussion, the SCIAC as a league is below the 4 above...the SCIAC champs haven't done much over the last several years, Oxy's loss to Linfield at home can't reflect well and Redlands can't seem to beat Oxy.  If Cal Lu beats Oxy, then 1 team for sure.  Prediction:  1 team

MWC:  1 team or 2 teams:  Not likely, even with Monmouth undefeated and St. Norbert with 1 loss...conference just too weak.  Prediction: 1 team

I disagree about the WIAC.  If UWW goes 10-0 then UWSP and UWL will have three losses.  I know that UWSP will only have 2 D3 lossess but UWL will have 3 so I don't think they will take a three loss team to the playoffs.  The WIAC only gets two in if UWW losses a game and the WIAC AQ goes to another team with UWW getting a Pool C bid. 


If Bethel beats ST Thomas then the MIAC will only have 1 team in.  Bethel and UST will both have two losses so I don't see them taking a two loss team over Coe with only one loss. (that is if the mighty Rams don't win the game )

With the other conference Pool C bids having two losses a 1 loss team from the NWC or SCIAC may get in if there are no other teams with only one loss. 

[Purple Heys]

Here's a Setup...

WIAC:  1 team or 2 teams:  With the stacked WIAC, it's hard to argue against.  I'd take a 2 loss WIAC rep over a 1 loss SCIAC or MWC rep.  Prediction: 2 teams

MIAC: 1 team or 2 teams:  The way it seems likely to play out, I look for 2 teams, MIAC is a committee fave.  Prediction: 2 teams

NWC:  1 team or 2 teams:  Linfield will win out, Willamette 2 losses hurt.  Prediction: 1 team

IIAC: 1 team or 2 teams:  Central winning out clinches for them; the Kohacks winning (IF they beat my Rams,  ) makes it a horse race.  Prediction: Kohacks left high and dry and deserving...1 team...but in a given scenario, a 1 loss Kohack team should, IMHO, get in before a 2nd SCIAC team.

SCIAC: 1 team or 2 teams:  Why does this always draw so much discussion, the SCIAC as a league is below the 4 above...the SCIAC champs haven't done much over the last several years, Oxy's loss to Linfield at home can't reflect well and Redlands can't seem to beat Oxy.  If Cal Lu beats Oxy, then 1 team for sure.  Prediction:  1 team

MWC:  1 team or 2 teams:  Not likely, even with Monmouth undefeated and St. Norbert with 1 loss...conference just too weak.  Prediction: 1 team

I disagree about the WIAC.  If UWW goes 10-0 then UWSP and UWL will have three losses.  I know that UWSP will only have 2 D3 lossess but UWL will have 3 so I don't think they will take a three loss team to the playoffs.  The WIAC only gets two in if UWW losses a game and the WIAC AQ goes to another team with UWW getting a Pool C bid. 


If Bethel beats ST Thomas then the MIAC will only have 1 team in.  Bethel and UST will both have two losses so I don't see them taking a two loss team over Coe with only one loss. (that is if the mighty Rams don't win the game )

With the other conference Pool C bids having two losses a 1 loss team from the NWC or SCIAC may get in if there are no other teams with only one loss. 

On the WIAC that was my thinking too...I just can't say that UWW will lose without sounding looney.   

On the MIAC...IF SJU remains undefeated AND the next team has 1 loss, THEN, IMHO, the MIAC gets 2 because the MIAC gets nothing but love from the committee...and they've earned it over the years with deep playoff runs.

On the IIAC...A 1 loss Kohack team and an undefeated Central has better credentials with the, recent IIAC playoff performance, for taking both than any 2 team combo from the NWC(where Linfield goes undefeated, but the 2nd team has too many losses), the SCIAC (it doesn't matter the combination to me); or the NWC (with it's only chance being undefeated Monmouth and 1 loss St. Norbert).

These, of course, are my opinions.

One thing...It sure is setting up for Cornell to have the opportunity to really ruin the whole Kohack season...which is nice.   8)

[DutchFan2004]

Well that is what happened last year.  I know that UWW still made the finals and they will be in the playoffs unless the wheels fall off, but the only way the WIAC gets two teams this year is if one of those teams get a W over UWW.  Even being in the toughest conference with 3 losses the runners up don't get in. 

With the recent successful playoff runs by the IIAC I think that would give the IIAC runner up a leg up on getting a Pool C bid. 

[bluenote]

I'm wondering if Central wins out... do you think the NCAA would send the SCIAC Team over to play them in the 1st Round? I'm kind of getting tired of playing those beach bums.   

[DutchHawk]

I'm wondering if Central wins out... do you think the NCAA would send the SCIAC Team over to play them in the 1st Round? I'm kind of getting tired of playing those beach bums.   

Id be ok with it, last time Oxy came to Central in Nov/Dec I believe the score was 71-0 in favor of the Dutch!

Come on out and play in some weather the game was meant to be played in!

[bluenote]

I'm wondering if Central wins out... do you think the NCAA would send the SCIAC Team over to play them in the 1st Round? I'm kind of getting tired of playing those beach bums.   

Id be ok with it, last time Oxy came to Central in Nov/Dec I believe the score was 71-0 in favor of the Dutch!

Come on out and play in some weather the game was meant to be played in!

+1 K

[dutchfan1]

I'm wondering if Central wins out... do you think the NCAA would send the SCIAC Team over to play them in the 1st Round? I'm kind of getting tired of playing those beach bums.   

Id be ok with it, last time Oxy came to Central in Nov/Dec I believe the score was 71-0 in favor of the Dutch!

Come on out and play in some weather the game was meant to be played in!

+1 K

Come on, Blue, you want to make a trip to Pella....you know it!!

[bluenote]

Come on, Blue, you want to make a trip to Pella....you know it!!

...ya....plus I heard they are getting all the alumni cheerleaders out for the playoffs to do cartwheels... 

[Mr. Ypsi]

Come on, Blue, you want to make a trip to Pella....you know it!!

...ya....plus I heard they are getting all the alumni cheerleaders out for the playoffs to do cartwheels... 

Now, play nice, you guys.

My hunch is you may see each other in the second round (though I'm uncertain on where! )

[doolittledog]

Maybe the NCAA selection committee will read the SCIAC board on this site and their complaints that they never get to host playoff games and they will set it up for Central or Coe will head out to sunny SoCal this year to make it up to them

[Mr. Ypsi]

Maybe the NCAA selection committee will read the SCIAC board on this site and their complaints that they never get to host playoff games and they will set it up for Central or Coe will head out to sunny SoCal this year to make it up to them

Oh, my, both Porky and Babe just flew by!

And my cousin, Satan, says there is a frost warning tonight.

Any other cliches for unlikely events I should trot out?

[Airborne Dutch]

The SCIAC will get to host a playoff game when they win the big non-conference games. I'm sure any team would love to head out to sunny California for a playoff game. However, the fact of the matter is right now the teams in the upper midwest are dominating the West Region.

[hazzben]

Here's a Setup...

WIAC:  1 team or 2 teams:  With the stacked WIAC, it's hard to argue against.  I'd take a 2 loss WIAC rep over a 1 loss SCIAC or MWC rep.  Prediction: 2 teams

MIAC: 1 team or 2 teams:  The way it seems likely to play out, I look for 2 teams, MIAC is a committee fave.  Prediction: 2 teams

NWC:  1 team or 2 teams:  Linfield will win out, Willamette 2 losses hurt.  Prediction: 1 team

IIAC: 1 team or 2 teams:  Central winning out clinches for them; the Kohacks winning (IF they beat my Rams,  ) makes it a horse race.  Prediction: Kohacks left high and dry and deserving...1 team...but in a given scenario, a 1 loss Kohack team should, IMHO, get in before a 2nd SCIAC team.

SCIAC: 1 team or 2 teams:  Why does this always draw so much discussion, the SCIAC as a league is below the 4 above...the SCIAC champs haven't done much over the last several years, Oxy's loss to Linfield at home can't reflect well and Redlands can't seem to beat Oxy.  If Cal Lu beats Oxy, then 1 team for sure.  Prediction:  1 team

MWC:  1 team or 2 teams:  Not likely, even with Monmouth undefeated and St. Norbert with 1 loss...conference just too weak.  Prediction: 1 team

I disagree about the WIAC.  If UWW goes 10-0 then UWSP and UWL will have three losses.  I know that UWSP will only have 2 D3 lossess but UWL will have 3 so I don't think they will take a three loss team to the playoffs.  The WIAC only gets two in if UWW losses a game and the WIAC AQ goes to another team with UWW getting a Pool C bid. 


If Bethel beats ST Thomas then the MIAC will only have 1 team in.  Bethel and UST will both have two losses so I don't see them taking a two loss team over Coe with only one loss. (that is if the mighty Rams don't win the game )

With the other conference Pool C bids having two losses a 1 loss team from the NWC or SCIAC may get in if there are no other teams with only one loss. 

On the WIAC that was my thinking too...I just can't say that UWW will lose without sounding looney.   

On the MIAC...IF SJU remains undefeated AND the next team has 1 loss, THEN, IMHO, the MIAC gets 2 because the MIAC gets nothing but love from the committee...and they've earned it over the years with deep playoff runs.

On the IIAC...A 1 loss Kohack team and an undefeated Central has better credentials with the, recent IIAC playoff performance, for taking both than any 2 team combo from the NWC(where Linfield goes undefeated, but the 2nd team has too many losses), the SCIAC (it doesn't matter the combination to me); or the NWC (with it's only chance being undefeated Monmouth and 1 loss St. Norbert).

These, of course, are my opinions.

One thing...It sure is setting up for Cornell to have the opportunity to really ruin the whole Kohack season...which is nice.   8)

WIAC: DutchFan stole the words right out of my mouth.  The one wild card is UW-Stout.  They are at 2 losses right now, but have already played UWW.  However, they have games remaining against UW-Lacrosse and UW-Oshkosh, both on the road.  Lacrosse is a tough place to play (dirtiest, most unsportsmanlike fans in the world) and they have a pretty good team this year.  I think Stout loses at least one of these.  Even if they don't, their non-conference schedule is pathetic and would hurt them as a 2 loss team.  The biggest question for them would be, who did you beat?
--------- WIAC = 1 Team (I don't see UWW losing, in fact, I think they put a beating on UWSP Saturday to avenge their WIAC blemish from a year ago.)

IIAC: If Coe and Central win out, both are in.  What would be interesting is if Central stumbled once.  They would still have the head 2 head against Coe and so would get the Pool A.  But does Coes loss to a 1 loss Central team that would probably fall out of the top 15 and be in the bottom 1/2 of the regional rankings still look good enough?  Personally, I think they'd still get in.
--------- IIAC = 2 Teams.  Seems almost like a lock at this point, barring a total collapse for either team.

NWC: No way a 2 loss Willamette gets in this year.  The loss to Concordia looks horrendous at this point.
--------- NWC = 1 Team.  Almost a lock considering Linfield's remaining games.

SCIAC: This one could get crazy.  Oxy, Cal Lut, and Redlans are all still technically alive.  If Oxy wins against Cal Lut this weekend they are in, barring a bad loss.  If Oxy loses, Cal Lut still has to beat Redlands at the end of the season.  If Oxy loses, only 1 team in the SCIAC finishes with 1 loss.  If Oxy wins, Redlands still has to beat Cal Lut to finish with only 1 loss.  However, I don't see this conference getting more than 1 team.  They have several major strikes against them.  1- Their conference champ will not be undefeated.  2- Historically, they have not performed well in the playoffs (see 2008).  3- Right now, if they got 2 teams and the NWC got 1 (see above), the Committee would have to fly someone out West.  If they only get 1 team, the Committee has an easy round 1 match-up, SCIAC champ @ Linfield.
--------- SCIAC = 1 Team

MIAC: SJU is a virtual lock, although the loss of Boyle (qb) for the next few games makes them a little more vulnerable.  It all comes down to St. Thomas @ Bethel, assuming they both win the rest.  Is UST wins, they are in.  However, I think if Bethel wins they are still in as well.  Yes, they'd have 2 losses, but they have several things in their favor.  1- UST will no doubt be ranked regionally when Bethel plays them, giving them a good boost in the regional rankings.  2- Their 2 losses are to ranked teams, on the last play of the game (that one is obvious).  3- Only 1 of their losses is technically 'in region,' a nice loophole for the Committee.  4- Recent Semi-Final run in 2007 won't hurt.  5- MIAC playoff history 6- See MWC below.
-------- MIAC = Probable/Possible 2 Teams

MWC: Monmouth is a lock, even with a bad loss in closing weeks.  St. Norberts has only 1 blow out loss, to Monmouth.   They still have to play Beloit and @ Illinois College (on paper they should win, but neither team is terrible).  Their win against Wartburg actually doesn't look great right now.  It took them overtime, at home, to beat a team that probably finishes 6-4.  The Committee could certainly give St. Norberts a Pool C, but I'm not sure they would.  Their conference has not fared well historically in the playoffs.  Regional rankings will play a big part in this.  I don't think they'll be ranked in the top 10.  They need Bethel to beat UST for a shot, but I wouldn't be surprised if Bethel was then ranked higher in the region.  I think they're in trouble.
-------- MWC = Probable 1 Team, Maybe Possible 2 Teams

Wild Card: We're assuming the Committee isn't going to send someone from the North into the West.  Last year they gave us Aurora in exchange for sending UWW North.  On paper, the West looks awfully full already, but their is precedent for the Committee to send a weaker North team West.  If this happens, all bets are off.  IIAC would still probably get two, and MIAC if UST wins @ Bethel.  If Bethel wins and a team gets shipped from the North, no way MIAC, SCIAC, NWC or MWC get 2 teams in.

[the_mayne_event]

Maybe the NCAA selection committee will read the SCIAC board on this site and their complaints that they never get to host playoff games and they will set it up for Central or Coe will head out to sunny SoCal this year to make it up to them

I'm guessing no, since I read earlier that the NCAA won't fly for a 1st round game (must be under 500 miles).

[doolittledog]

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