FB: American Rivers Conference

[warthog]

Thought for the day:

We can't all be heroes.  Somebody has to sit on the curb and cheer when they go by.

- Mark Twain

[warthog]

Perhaps 25 years ago the academic superiority claim might hold water.  At this time I don't see Cornell as vastly superior to other IIAC schools.  (Upper Iowa & Wm Penn have left the league)

[Old Dutch]

If you were really old, and also a little degenerate, you would be sentimental for Hunters.

And if your more than a little degenerate, and old,  you wax poetic about dime draws at the Pickle!

[Old Dutch]

It looks like the heaviest DL for central is 235. That could be a problem....

A problem for whom? If you are inferring that centrals D-line can run, you may be correct, but I have not seen them enough to know, perhaps some of the regulars can inform us.

Yes, Central's D-line can run.  They've also held there own vs the run against some pretty good sized IIAC lines and that 2nd place WIAC team from Steven's Point.  With 33 sacks and allowing less than 100 yds rushing per game I think the front 7 will provide a good challenge for UMHB.

This ought to be a great ball game, strength on strength for both. The CRU likes to run and the Dutch can defend the run.  Centrals O likes to run as well and so if the CRU defense is designed to stop the pass, as someone on here said earlier, we may see 35 minutes plus T.O.P. for the Dutch Saturday.  At least I hope for that as it looks like the Texans pile up some yardage of their own when they have the ball.   Either way, it'll be a close one and the Dutch will have to be at the top of their game.

[FightnScot77]

I provide this as a courtesy, had thought to prepare this for the MWC boards at some point... Interested in the endowments of the great IIAC conference with the humble MWC for comparison purposes.

In review I wasn't able to gather the Wartburg endowment from NACUBO's recent report on college endowments.

Rank   Institution   2008 Endowment Funds ($000)   *Percentage Change in Endowment (2008 - 2007)
         
47   Grinnell College   1,472,448   -14.31%
238   Lawrence University (Wisconsin)   216,466   -6.59%
321   Beloit College   131,877   12.04%
323   Buena Vista University   129,207   -16.94%
331   Illinois College   121,012   -10.77%
342   Luther College   115,273   1.29%
408   Central College   81,914   -0.27%
417   Simpson College (Iowa)   79,077   -1.04%
418   Coe College   78,785   0.27%
429   Lake Forest College   76,801   4.82%
439   Knox College   71,423   -10.13%
447   University of Dubuque   70,374   -3.40%
451   Monmouth College (Illinois)   69,531   -5.66%
455   St. Norbert College   67,844   -4.53%
456   Cornell College   67,171   -4.51%
502   Ripon College   55,539   -6.53%
577   Carroll College (Wisconsin)   39,843   -7.65%
639   Loras College   27,787   -7.09%
   Wartburg College    N/A   N/A

I had read a comment of interest to Grilnnell and Beloit grads:
http://sethgitter.blogspot.com/2008/01/tale-of-two-endowments-why-i-make.html

[Purple Heys]

Perhaps 25 years ago the academic superiority claim might hold water.  At this time I don't see Cornell as vastly superior to other IIAC schools, except Wartburg and Coe.  (Upper Iowa & Wm Penn have left the league)

FIFY   

[Toby Taff]

It looks like the heaviest DL for central is 235. That could be a problem....

A problem for whom? If you are inferring that centrals D-line can run, you may be correct, but I have not seen them enough to know, perhaps some of the regulars can inform us.

Yes, Central's D-line can run.  They've also held there own vs the run against some pretty good sized IIAC lines and that 2nd place WIAC team from Steven's Point.  With 33 sacks and allowing less than 100 yds rushing per game I think the front 7 will provide a good challenge for UMHB.

This ought to be a great ball game, strength on strength for both. The CRU likes to run and the Dutch can defend the run.  Centrals O likes to run as well and so if the CRU defense is designed to stop the pass, as someone on here said earlier, we may see 35 minutes plus T.O.P. for the Dutch Saturday.  At least I hope for that as it looks like the Texans pile up some yardage of their own when they have the ball.   Either way, it'll be a close one and the Dutch will have to be at the top of their game.

That was really more a reference to the need for speed on the defense.  half of the ASC teams bring heavy passing attacks so the DBs can run and cover and the DL can get after a QB.  Don't mistake that for not being a run stopping defense.  The season average for rushing yards allowed was 59/game with only 3 rushing TDs.

[warrior35]

Yeah, I don't have any details about Cornell's financial situation, I just hear that it's not good.  Also, I will give you that the academic standards at most IIAC schools are comparable, however not all schools treat athletic admissions the same.  Most schools have some kind of hush-hush point system that coaches can use on certain players to help them get accepted.  I don't know for certain about Northwestern or Stanford, but I know this is true for several tough academic schools in D3 like Wheaton College in Chicago, which has higher academic standards than most schools in the midwest.  Most administrations and admissions departments are willing to work with the athletic department in this regard, as they understand the importance of sport to enrollment and money coming in.   It's not that athletes in general get in on a lower standard, it's usually a point system that coaches can select to use points on students they believe will be able to be successful at their institution, both academically and athletically.  However, I'm almost certain that Cornell does not use this system.  The difficulty comes when the college won't let in a hard working kid with 3.0 GPA with just a 20 ACT, when that kid probably is going to get in as a coveted athlete at most every other IIAC school. It's difficult to attract quality athletes with good enough grades to a school like Cornell with their recent history.  I'm not saying it's impossible for Cornell to climb out of the hole, but it's a long uphill battle with barely 52 guys on the roster and little administrative support.  Other sports have shown that success is possible, mens basketball and wrestling, as well as baseball before the last coach took over.  Although, I would argue that the road to turning around a college football program can be more challenging than baseball or basketball where 9 or 5 guys play and smaller rosters are standard.  Also, it's easier to lure high quality athletes for wrestling when Cornell has a coach with such an impressive resume.  Maybe the football program can do the same, but I'm not sure the money is there to make a hire like that.

I wouldn't be so sure that Dillon was fired, as it may seem.  I'm not so sure that Cornell is as invested in having a successful football program as other schools in the league, unless the new AD is really changing the landscape at the school.  Btw, I'm kinda out of date on the school... I don't have much of a connection there anymore, just going off what I used to know about the school.

[DuffMan]

It looks like the heaviest DL for central is 235. That could be a problem....

Didn't hurt SJU in 2003 

[Fannosaurus Rex]

It looks like the heaviest DL for central is 235. That could be a problem....

A problem for whom? If you are inferring that centrals D-line can run, you may be correct, but I have not seen them enough to know, perhaps some of the regulars can inform us.

Yes, Central's D-line can run.  They've also held there own vs the run against some pretty good sized IIAC lines and that 2nd place WIAC team from Steven's Point.  With 33 sacks and allowing less than 100 yds rushing per game I think the front 7 will provide a good challenge for UMHB.

This ought to be a great ball game, strength on strength for both. The CRU likes to run and the Dutch can defend the run.  Centrals O likes to run as well and so if the CRU defense is designed to stop the pass, as someone on here said earlier, we may see 35 minutes plus T.O.P. for the Dutch Saturday.  At least I hope for that as it looks like the Texans pile up some yardage of their own when they have the ball.   Either way, it'll be a close one and the Dutch will have to be at the top of their game.

That was really more a reference to the need for speed on the defense.  half of the ASC teams bring heavy passing attacks so the DBs can run and cover and the DL can get after a QB.  Don't mistake that for not being a run stopping defense.  The season average for rushing yards allowed was 59/game with only 3 rushing TDs.

Only allowing 59 rushing yards a game is scary.  Except the Central offensive line has done a pretty good job of opening holes so far this season.  There are some Texas sized guys on that side.

[Johnnie Red]

Kohawks fans, you are cordially invited to attend the Stiftungsfestivities tailgate party this Saturday in Collegeville. The tailgate is located in the parking lot above the scoreboard end of the field. We should be gathering around 9:00 a.m. Bring a culinary delight to share if you like. As always, we will be serving the world famous Stiftungsfest burgers. Hope to see you Saturday morning.

[doolittledog]

Rank   Institution   2008 Endowment Funds ($000)   *Percentage Change in Endowment (2008 - 2007)
         
47   Grinnell College   1,472,448   -14.31%
323   Buena Vista University   129,207   -16.94%
342   Luther College   115,273   1.29%
408   Central College   81,914   -0.27%
417   Simpson College (Iowa)   79,077   -1.04%
418   Coe College   78,785   0.27%
447   University of Dubuque   70,374   -3.40%
456   Cornell College   67,171   -4.51%
639   Loras College   27,787   -7.09%
   Wartburg College    N/A   N/A

http://sethgitter.blogspot.com/2008/01/tale-of-two-endowments-why-i-make.html

I think there was a link on here a few months ago that listed the Wartburg endowment at $30 million.

Giving for IIAC schools over the last 3 years...
1. Dubuque $50,400,533
2. Coe $41,985,906
3. Luther $33,644,303
4. Central $27,048,590
5. Cornell $21,948,740
6. Wartburg $18,524,745
7. Loras $17,704,597
8. Simpson $10,840,406
9. BVU $10,798,310

I would say Cornell has the money.  Their giving is 5th in the conference, their endowment is 7th, but near the conference average.  If Wartburg can be 7th in giving and 8th in endowment and support their athletics the way they do, then Cornell can as well.  It's just a matter of IF they will.  

[Toby Taff]

It looks like the heaviest DL for central is 235. That could be a problem....

A problem for whom? If you are inferring that centrals D-line can run, you may be correct, but I have not seen them enough to know, perhaps some of the regulars can inform us.

Yes, Central's D-line can run.  They've also held there own vs the run against some pretty good sized IIAC lines and that 2nd place WIAC team from Steven's Point.  With 33 sacks and allowing less than 100 yds rushing per game I think the front 7 will provide a good challenge for UMHB.

This ought to be a great ball game, strength on strength for both. The CRU likes to run and the Dutch can defend the run.  Centrals O likes to run as well and so if the CRU defense is designed to stop the pass, as someone on here said earlier, we may see 35 minutes plus T.O.P. for the Dutch Saturday.  At least I hope for that as it looks like the Texans pile up some yardage of their own when they have the ball.   Either way, it'll be a close one and the Dutch will have to be at the top of their game.

That was really more a reference to the need for speed on the defense.  half of the ASC teams bring heavy passing attacks so the DBs can run and cover and the DL can get after a QB.  Don't mistake that for not being a run stopping defense.  The season average for rushing yards allowed was 59/game with only 3 rushing TDs.

Only allowing 59 rushing yards a game is scary.  Except the Central offensive line has done a pretty good job of opening holes so far this season.  There are some Texas sized guys on that side.

True, and last year the MHB D had some issues with the O-line of Whitewater (but who didn't) Still, since 06 UMHB has played UWW 4 times allowing a total of 444 net yards, 62 of which came on a run by the QB in the 07 semis and 72 of which came on 2 runs late in the 4th qtr of last years semis.  (UMHBs speedy D held Justin Beavers to a 2.1 yds/carry average in the 2 games they played against him) Now these were different players, but the same types of players running the same defense.  How this years d fairs will be seen on Saturday, but I have no doubt that the coaches will have them ready for the weekend.

[Klompen]

It looks like the heaviest DL for central is 235. That could be a problem....

What they lack in size, they make up for in speed.      Wait, I heard something like that somewhere else...

[Klompen]

Heys, now that Jr. is done with his IIAC playing days, Mexico game still to come, maybe you could jump in and help Adam with the Around the West column.  It has been awhile since he has had time to write the column.  Maybe you could help out.  It would give you something to do while scouting schools for Rev3.