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Quote from: warrior35 on November 18, 2009, 01:34:46 AM
Yeah, I don't have any details about Cornell's financial situation, I just hear that it's not good.  Also, I will give you that the academic standards at most IIAC schools are comparable, however not all schools treat athletic admissions the same.  Most schools have some kind of hush-hush point system that coaches can use on certain players to help them get accepted.  I don't know for certain about Northwestern or Stanford, but I know this is true for several tough academic schools in D3 like Wheaton College in Chicago, which has higher academic standards than most schools in the midwest.  Most administrations and admissions departments are willing to work with the athletic department in this regard, as they understand the importance of sport to enrollment and money coming in.   It's not that athletes in general get in on a lower standard, it's usually a point system that coaches can select to use points on students they believe will be able to be successful at their institution, both academically and athletically.  However, I'm almost certain that Cornell does not use this system.  The difficulty comes when the college won't let in a hard working kid with 3.0 GPA with just a 20 ACT, when that kid probably is going to get in as a coveted athlete at most every other IIAC school. It's difficult to attract quality athletes with good enough grades to a school like Cornell with their recent history.  I'm not saying it's impossible for Cornell to climb out of the hole, but it's a long uphill battle with barely 52 guys on the roster and little administrative support.  Other sports have shown that success is possible, mens basketball and wrestling, as well as baseball before the last coach took over.  Although, I would argue that the road to turning around a college football program can be more challenging than baseball or basketball where 9 or 5 guys play and smaller rosters are standard.  Also, it's easier to lure high quality athletes for wrestling when Cornell has a coach with such an impressive resume.  Maybe the football program can do the same, but I'm not sure the money is there to make a hire like that.

I wouldn't be so sure that Dillon was fired, as it may seem.  I'm not so sure that Cornell is as invested in having a successful football program as other schools in the league, unless the new AD is really changing the landscape at the school.  Btw, I'm kinda out of date on the school... I don't have much of a connection there anymore, just going off what I used to know about the school.

Lots of times coaches need to see results on the field too stay at a school and if they where short on funds then they will struggle.
We may never know but Dillon was the guy too turn it around so Cornell will now step back again

dutchfan1

http://www.central.edu/news/story.cfm?ID=378

Central announces new President... no word on whether Dr. Putnam will coach the kickers on the football team.  ;)
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Fannosaurus Rex

I visit the Northwest board now and again.  I detect some anxiety over there over the lack of seedings.  We on the IIAC board all know better than to look past this Saturday's game, but could it be they are worried that, if they win and the Dutch win, they might have to make a trip to Pella?  They should relax.  They will love it.
"It ain't what ya do, it's the way how ya do it.  It ain't what ya eat, it's the way how ya chew it."  Little Richard

TC

Quote from: Fannosaurus Rex on November 18, 2009, 11:15:30 AM
I visit the Northwest board now and again.  I detect some anxiety over there over the lack of seedings.  We on the IIAC board all know better than to look past this Saturday's game, but could it be they are worried that, if they win and the Dutch win, they might have to make a trip to Pella?  They should relax.  They will love it.

You might want to check this out.  The money shot:

QuoteIf Linfield wins, the Wildcats host in the second round no matter what.
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Fannosaurus Rex

Well shucks.  I was really looking forward to stirring things up over there.  Next year I must try to get on the distribution list for the selection committee's second-round what-if scenarios.
"It ain't what ya do, it's the way how ya do it.  It ain't what ya eat, it's the way how ya chew it."  Little Richard

youcantseemestill

Quote from: Purple Heys on November 17, 2009, 11:50:38 PM
Quote from: warthog on November 17, 2009, 10:53:13 PM
Perhaps 25 years ago the academic superiority claim might hold water.  At this time I don't see Cornell as vastly superior to other IIAC schools, except Coe and Luther.  (Upper Iowa & Wm Penn have left the league)


FIFY    :D

FIFY both.  ;)

VOJ

So how did Central shut down the Coe offense when they beat them earlier this year?

Any other insight on Coe?  QB looks awesome quite a turnaround from last year's 4-6 record...how do they respond to physical play??


Fannosaurus Rex

Central got them when they had a bad day.  I am very nervous that they will be much sharper when Central has to play them again in the regional final.
"It ain't what ya do, it's the way how ya do it.  It ain't what ya eat, it's the way how ya chew it."  Little Richard

footballdaddy

Quote from: VOJ on November 18, 2009, 01:37:26 PM
So how did Central shut down the Coe offense when they beat them earlier this year?

Any other insight on Coe?  QB looks awesome quite a turnaround from last year's 4-6 record...how do they respond to physical play??



More importantly, how will the Johnnies respond to Coe's linebackers? They will show you physical play.
NKD: "We need a f**king touchdown, excuse my French"
FBD: "I didn't know touchdown was French."

DustySJU

Quote from: footballdaddy on November 18, 2009, 02:04:19 PM
Quote from: VOJ on November 18, 2009, 01:37:26 PM
So how did Central shut down the Coe offense when they beat them earlier this year?

Any other insight on Coe?  QB looks awesome quite a turnaround from last year's 4-6 record...how do they respond to physical play??



More importantly, how will the Johnnies respond to Coe's linebackers? They will show you physical play.

That's prolly the first time we'll have seen that.

1991 SJU 75 - Coe 2, 2002 SJU 45 - Coe 14
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VOJ

Quote from: footballdaddy on November 18, 2009, 02:04:19 PM
Quote from: VOJ on November 18, 2009, 01:37:26 PM
So how did Central shut down the Coe offense when they beat them earlier this year?

Any other insight on Coe?  QB looks awesome quite a turnaround from last year's 4-6 record...how do they respond to physical play??



More importantly, how will the Johnnies respond to Coe's linebackers? They will show you physical play.


Wow...tough talk for a team that has not done much at this level...I think you better take a step back.  You are on the road, you barely beat a team that finished in the lower half of our league and alot of team have bad days at Clemens...

coocooforcoekohawk

Quote from: VOJ on November 18, 2009, 01:37:26 PM
Any other insight on Coe? ...how do they respond to physical play??

They don't respond to physical play... they create it.
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coocooforcoekohawk

Quote from: DustySJU on November 18, 2009, 04:16:58 PM
1991 SJU 75 - Coe 2

I was there. 

Won't be making it up this weekend however.
I'm so happy 'cause today I found my friends. They're in my head.  I'm so ugly, that's okay, 'cause so are you!

footballdaddy

Quote from: DustySJU on November 18, 2009, 04:16:58 PM
Quote from: footballdaddy on November 18, 2009, 02:04:19 PM
Quote from: VOJ on November 18, 2009, 01:37:26 PM
So how did Central shut down the Coe offense when they beat them earlier this year?

Any other insight on Coe?  QB looks awesome quite a turnaround from last year's 4-6 record...how do they respond to physical play??



More importantly, how will the Johnnies respond to Coe's linebackers? They will show you physical play.

That's prolly the first time we'll have seen that.

1991 SJU 75 - Coe 2, 2002 SJU 45 - Coe 14

That's funny, I didn't know the 1991 and 2002 teams were playing Saturday. I thought this year's team was playing. Silly me.
NKD: "We need a f**king touchdown, excuse my French"
FBD: "I didn't know touchdown was French."

footballdaddy

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Quote from: VOJ on November 18, 2009, 04:22:12 PM
Quote from: footballdaddy on November 18, 2009, 02:04:19 PM
Quote from: VOJ on November 18, 2009, 01:37:26 PM
So how did Central shut down the Coe offense when they beat them earlier this year?

Any other insight on Coe?  QB looks awesome quite a turnaround from last year's 4-6 record...how do they respond to physical play??



More importantly, how will the Johnnies respond to Coe's linebackers? They will show you physical play.


Wow...tough talk for a team that has not done much at this level...I think you better take a step back.  You are on the road, you barely beat a team that finished in the lower half of our league and alot of team have bad days at Clemens...

I actually have no connection to Coe. I think your opinions may be different by Saturday evening.
NKD: "We need a f**king touchdown, excuse my French"
FBD: "I didn't know touchdown was French."