FB: American Rivers Conference

[AZDutchman]

I want to preface this post by saying UMHB was the better team and deserved everything that happened.
I just have one question: Why were there no calls made when UMHB came onto the field and some of there players took off their helmets during live play?

I was at the game. What are your refering to?

When sneads pass was tipped on the 2-pt conversion, many Cru players didn't see the play wasn't dead yet, and some removed their helmets in celebration along with some of the sideline coming out on the field. Now, I am not an official, but there should have been an unsportsman like penalty along with the illegal forward pass which would've been offsetting and resulted in a replay of the down.
Now, I believe the better team won, but it such a shame we will never know the what the outcome could've been if the refs didn't interfere, and its terrible that such an amazing game now has a stain on it.

Now a call like that would have been a stain.

How would making the correct call be wrong? Why should they get away with something like that?
I can understand not making the call and letting the kids play, as it most of the refs were doing (both sides got away with some PI calls), and I loved that, let the players decide the game, but how can one ref not call the unsportsman like, then seconds later one of them makes "the call"

Well I'm going to have to fall back on the saying, Two wrongs don't make a right. I'm not saying the refs shouldn't make the right call, but we may be getting into...Why didn't the ref call holding? or That was pass interference!
The off sides call just came at the wrong time and at the wrong place. It's over and I would prefer to just look at it as part of the game.

[MasterJedi]

Master J - What are you going to say if St Thomas beats Coe?

I actually had St. Thomas beating St. Johns in my bracket in the second round so it wouldn't surprise me that much. I think after the loss in the regular season St. Thomas got better while St. Johns stayed the same while being banged up, that's the reason why I made that pick. So right now I'd call the St. Thomas/Coe game a toss up.

[AZDutchman]

I'm sure there's a few out there that have refereed or umpired a game. I myself umpired for many years. I would have to take up a couple of pages to tell the stories of some of the calls that I blew. There's nothing worse than knowing that you made a bad call. Then the obvious, be questioned about it.
It can stay with you for a while. I can remember calls from 15 years ago. I'm not going to get into the specifics, but there are bad calls in the memory banks.
That's why I said in an earlier post that I don't like to beat up on refs. I did take the time to look into the ruling and did not discover anything. I was caught up in the emotion of the game and wanted a resolution.
I always try to remember that it is a game. A game played by men, young men and kids. Mistakes will be made by refs, coaches and players. It is all part of a game.

[iiac]

I want to preface this post by saying UMHB was the better team and deserved everything that happened.
I just have one question: Why were there no calls made when UMHB came onto the field and some of there players took off their helmets during live play?

I was at the game. What are your refering to?

When sneads pass was tipped on the 2-pt conversion, many Cru players didn't see the play wasn't dead yet, and some removed their helmets in celebration along with some of the sideline coming out on the field. Now, I am not an official, but there should have been an unsportsman like penalty along with the illegal forward pass which would've been offsetting and resulted in a replay of the down.
Now, I believe the better team won, but it such a shame we will never know the what the outcome could've been if the refs didn't interfere, and its terrible that such an amazing game now has a stain on it.

Now a call like that would have been a stain.

How would making the correct call be wrong? Why should they get away with something like that?
I can understand not making the call and letting the kids play, as it most of the refs were doing (both sides got away with some PI calls), and I loved that, let the players decide the game, but how can one ref not call the unsportsman like, then seconds later one of them makes "the call"

Well I'm going to have to fall back on the saying, Two wrongs don't make a right. I'm not saying the refs shouldn't make the right call, but we may be getting into...Why didn't the ref call holding? or That was pass interference!
The off sides call just came at the wrong time and at the wrong place. It's over and I would prefer to just look at it as part of the game.

Im sorry to say, but you sir may be a little low on the intelligence totem poll.
First of all, I already said it was obvious the refs were letting the kids play the game as was evident by the lack of calls in general by both sides.
Second of all, are you sure you understand what the saying "two wrongs don't make a right" means? The first wrong was them taking off their helmets while still on the field. Thats it, thats the wrong. the Right would've been to throw the flag, the second wrong was not calling it.
The beauty of a the helmet rule is that it one of the very very few rules that isn't subject to personal interpretation. It is so cut and dry, the refs dropped the ball, why can't you just admit that? Did it cause the Dutch to lose? No, getting outplayed for 2.5 quarters by a better team did, but its not right that they had opportunities taken away from them in that manner.
FYI, I agree, the kicker being offsides is part of the game, in fact it happens any time a ball is kicked actually, many many times a game...

[Pat Coleman]

It's a totem pole, not a totem poll.

[AZDutchman]

I want to preface this post by saying UMHB was the better team and deserved everything that happened.
I just have one question: Why were there no calls made when UMHB came onto the field and some of there players took off their helmets during live play?

I was at the game. What are your refering to?

When sneads pass was tipped on the 2-pt conversion, many Cru players didn't see the play wasn't dead yet, and some removed their helmets in celebration along with some of the sideline coming out on the field. Now, I am not an official, but there should have been an unsportsman like penalty along with the illegal forward pass which would've been offsetting and resulted in a replay of the down.
Now, I believe the better team won, but it such a shame we will never know the what the outcome could've been if the refs didn't interfere, and its terrible that such an amazing game now has a stain on it.

Now a call like that would have been a stain.

How would making the correct call be wrong? Why should they get away with something like that?
I can understand not making the call and letting the kids play, as it most of the refs were doing (both sides got away with some PI calls), and I loved that, let the players decide the game, but how can one ref not call the unsportsman like, then seconds later one of them makes "the call"

Well I'm going to have to fall back on the saying, Two wrongs don't make a right. I'm not saying the refs shouldn't make the right call, but we may be getting into...Why didn't the ref call holding? or That was pass interference!
The off sides call just came at the wrong time and at the wrong place. It's over and I would prefer to just look at it as part of the game.

Im sorry to say, but you sir may be a little low on the intelligence totem poll.
First of all, I already said it was obvious the refs were letting the kids play the game as was evident by the lack of calls in general by both sides.
Second of all, are you sure you understand what the saying "two wrongs don't make a right" means? The first wrong was them taking off their helmets while still on the field. Thats it, thats the wrong. the Right would've been to throw the flag, the second wrong was not calling it.
The beauty of a the helmet rule is that it one of the very very few rules that isn't subject to personal interpretation. It is so cut and dry, the refs dropped the ball, why can't you just admit that? Did it cause the Dutch to lose? No, getting outplayed for 2.5 quarters by a better team did, but its not right that they had opportunities taken away from them in that manner.
FYI, I agree, the kicker being offsides is part of the game, in fact it happens any time a ball is kicked actually, many many times a game...

I don't know how you did it. You caught me. I didn't make it out of grad grade school.

[wartknight]

It's a totem pole, not a totem poll.

zing!!!
I thought maybe there was some new poll (by a guy named Totem) ranking D3 posters that I didn't know about.

[Klompen]

I'm so proud of my Kohawks today, I wish I could have been up there to watch the game, but luckily I had a friend that kept me up-to-date while I was down in Iowa City for the Hawkeye game.  I stood by and read all the posts from the arrogant pr*cks from St Johns on how great they were and how they were going to dominate Coe while they were looking into the 2nd round, but now I can say that they all under estimated how good Coe is and how good our defense is.  Like I said...very proud of my Kohakws today!!  Way to kick St Johns in their little jonnies today!

I hate to rub it in, but it feels so damn good too    Have a great turkey day weekend knowing that the season is over for your team and we're moving on to the 2nd round

I want to highlight this as an example of how NOT to be gracious in winning.    Nothing's for sure, That's for sure!

Agreed.  You know the saying, act like you've been there before.  Well, Coe hasn't been, particularly in their prior losses to SJU.  Hopefully they will do better in the future. 

[Fannosaurus Rex]

I wish Central was playing on but I wouldn't want it to be because the UMHB guys took their hats off after the play was over.  Yes the rules are the rules but that is a time where I am glad the zebras used some judgment.  But that is the past.  Looking ahead, I want Coe to win the Stagg Bowl because how sweet will it be for Central to beat the defending national champs next year in Cedar Rapids?  Does this set the record for early trash talk?

[Klompen]

With the regards to the onside kick offsides, I don't know the exact rule in college, but as someone stated earlier, it's legal in the pros for your plant foot to be across the line.  Viggers kicks his onside kicks very uniquely - as he runs right down the line of scrimmage to do so.  However, I don't think it was a case that he crossed the line on his approach, because when the ref was giving his explanation to a VERY livid coach McMartin, he kept making kicking type motions with his leg, as if the penalty occurred as the kick took place.  And no matter what the actual penalty was, there was never a penalty flag thrown on the play.  That was frustrating to say the least.

I think Toby Taff and the Cru fans might be thinking somewhat of a goes around, comes around situation regarding that kick. Only heard about it here, but definately a potential game changing play in Pella on Saturday going in the Cru's favor...last year in the National Semi-Final v UWW in Belton, the second half wind-blown, backward kickoff going against the Cru - only a second half kickoff, but what turned out to be a big momentum shifter nonetheless that the Cru could never recover from in their 39-13 loss.

I'm not sure I'm big on what goes around comes around when playing different opponents.  Now if we had been playing Linfield and the call went that way...

[CaliRamRL6]

Congrats to Central on a successful season and good luck to Coe in the rest of the playoffs.

I was looking at the All Conference list and I saw that both Bladt (Alan with BV and Don with Cornell) brothers made the 1st team defense. Can anyone remember a time that brothers have made 1st team all conference in the same season?

[DBQ1965]

Two things:

About officials and their calls or non-calls.  I was talking with my youngest brother yesterday ... he is a H.S. ref in California.  His crew was officiating a play-off game Friday night and one of the crew called a pass-interference which Mike said was a bad call ... resulting in lots of boos.  Later in the game, the same official called another penalty against the same team, and one of that team's fans in the stands yelled out:  "Good call ref ... but you still stink!"

About Central and St. John's fans on here.  Maybe its only my IIAC prejudice, but it seems to me that Central fans are taking their loss far more classier than the Johnnie fans are.  When you are accustomed to winning, a loss can be pretty hard to take.  But the Dutch fans on here are doing it in style. 

And finally ... GO COE!

[lboogie99]

I believe both Freddie and Patrick Jackson were both 1st teamers if not in 03' definitely in 02'

[crudbdad]

I want to preface this post by saying UMHB was the better team and deserved everything that happened.
I just have one question: Why were there no calls made when UMHB came onto the field and some of there players took off their helmets during live play?

I was at the game. What are your refering to?

When sneads pass was tipped on the 2-pt conversion, many Cru players didn't see the play wasn't dead yet, and some removed their helmets in celebration along with some of the sideline coming out on the field. Now, I am not an official, but there should have been an unsportsman like penalty along with the illegal forward pass which would've been offsetting and resulted in a replay of the down.
Now, I believe the better team won, but it such a shame we will never know the what the outcome could've been if the refs didn't interfere, and its terrible that such an amazing game now has a stain on it.

Thanks for clarifying. I was to busy watching the play. Once Snead caught the ball I thought he had a window around the left side to run it in. I didn't see the helmets come off as we were doing our own celebration and finally breathing fresh air again. Still think the offsides on the onside kick was more bizarre.

[D O.C.]

not a totem poll

...which not to be confused with a token poll.