FB: American Rivers Conference

[iiac]

I want to preface this post by saying UMHB was the better team and deserved everything that happened.
I just have one question: Why were there no calls made when UMHB came onto the field and some of there players took off their helmets during live play?

I was at the game. What are your refering to?

When sneads pass was tipped on the 2-pt conversion, many Cru players didn't see the play wasn't dead yet, and some removed their helmets in celebration along with some of the sideline coming out on the field. Now, I am not an official, but there should have been an unsportsman like penalty along with the illegal forward pass which would've been offsetting and resulted in a replay of the down.
Now, I believe the better team won, but it such a shame we will never know the what the outcome could've been if the refs didn't interfere, and its terrible that such an amazing game now has a stain on it.

Thanks for clarifying. I was to busy watching the play. Once Snead caught the ball I thought he had a window around the left side to run it in. I didn't see the helmets come off as we were doing our own celebration and finally breathing fresh air again. Still think the offsides on the onside kick was more bizarre.

Sure, I figured alot of people miss that because of all the comotion going on. And the offsides...yea we'll call it memorable. I guess it does no good anymore whining about what could've been because I still think the better team on the field won. Good luck the rest of the way.

[Klompen]

I appreciate the sentiment that the Dutch are being classy in handling the loss.  Of course, we knew going in that this wasn't going to be easy and at best our odds were still 50-50 with so many saying UMHB was the 3rd best team in the country.  I would like to believe we played like the 4th best then.

At the same time, I don't know that it is fair to say that the Johnnies aren't being classy in their response.  Many of them came to our board directly after the game and gave Coe the credit they were due in a very classy way.  I think it is the reaction to some less than classy posts by Coe fans that you are responding to in your analysis of the Johnnies reaction to losing.  To be fair, not posting much before the game, then coming on to rub in a win, isn't the way to go.  Much as I hate to say it, at least footballdaddy from WB was posting before the game and responding to how they responded to him.  Oh, I feel dirty again.   

[CaliRamRL6]

I believe both Freddie and Patrick Jackson were both 1st teamers if not in 03' definitely in 02'

I forgot about Patrick. His brother took most of the headlines but Patrick was a good player.

[badgerwarhawk]

I've been trying to find the list of IIAC All Conference players but I can't seem to locate it on the website.  Could someone be so kind as to post a link for me?

Thanking you in advance.

Congrats to Coe.  Myself and some of my friends were not surprised with the outcome and had predicted Coe to come out on top.  Good luck with St Thomas.

I felt kind of bad for Central.  UMHB had to be the toughest draw for a 1 and 8 in the postseason. 

[Kohawk Krazy]

I've been trying to find the list of IIAC All Conference players but I can't seem to locate it on the website.  Could someone be so kind as to post a link for me?

Thanking you in advance.

Congrats to Coe.  Myself and some of my friends were not surprised with the outcome and had predicted Coe to come out on top.  Good luck with St Thomas.

I felt kind of bad for Central.  UMHB had to be the toughest draw for a 1 and 8 in the postseason. 

Here is the All-Iowa Conference teams.

http://www.iowaconference.com/news/2009-10/1120football.html

Also, If teams were seeded, which they weren't, Central and UMHB was probably the 3-6 game.  I believe that St. John's-Coe was the 1-8 game.

[coocooforcoekohawk]

  I think it is the reaction to some witty and charmig posts by Coe fans that you are responding to in your analysis of the Johnnies reaction to losing...   
...Oh, I feel dirty again.   

FIFY

[badgerwarhawk]

I've been trying to find the list of IIAC All Conference players but I can't seem to locate it on the website.  Could someone be so kind as to post a link for me?

Thanking you in advance.

Congrats to Coe.  Myself and some of my friends were not surprised with the outcome and had predicted Coe to come out on top.  Good luck with St Thomas.

I felt kind of bad for Central.  UMHB had to be the toughest draw for a 1 and 8 in the postseason. 

Here is the All-Iowa Conference teams.

http://www.iowaconference.com/news/2009-10/1120football.html

Also, If teams were seeded, which they weren't, Central and UMHB was probably the 3-6 game.  I believe that St. John's-Coe was the 1-8 game.

Thanks.  Neat to see Zweifel and Spaulding make the first team.
You're right, I wasn't thinking.  I should have checked the brackets before saying anything.  Suffice it to say I think it was a tough break for Central.

[Fannosaurus Rex]

Alright, What's Wartburg UMHB going to have to do to pull the upset win  Saturday?
And to piggyback on an earlier topic- If there is a Central player that is in the running for POY, and they win the title, they will get it over anyone else.

I think the key for Wartburg UMHB is to keep the game close, not turn the ball over, and stop the running game of Central.  The Knights CRU also have to protect Yordi their qb and not take sacks so that the offense does not put themselves in second or third and long.  I think they have to be able to run the ball and not let themselves get one dimensional. 

And I will add to all of that, block a punt and get penalized less than 40 yards.

Sorry Central fans.  If I had known that UMHB was going to use this strategy Saturday, I never would have posted it.  If UMHB coaches get a bonus for winning play-off games, they owe me and Dutch Fan 2004 half.

Although now that I read it, I guess it would work for anybody against anybody.

[Klompen]

I felt kind of bad for Central.  UMHB had to be the toughest draw ...

We felt sorry for ourselves with the draw too, wish it could have come in a later round as we are better than a "1 and done" playoff team, but that's the breaks.  You have to take what they give you and do your best.  We have had some tough early round draws, like the year we had to go to UWW first round.   

Wishing this or that had gone differently doesn't change the results.  UMHB was the better team on that day, but proud to say that be it the 2001 team at Linfield or this Central team against UMHB, our backs might be to the wall, but we never quit playing.

[youcantseemestill]

The Johnnies played a very untypical game for them....Crawl back into your hole now, because I didn't see you before the game, so that must be where you were.

We have quiet confidence.  A trait the Johnnies cannot comprehend, go back to your board and stop making a fool of yourself.

Someone who is "coocoo" maybe shouldn't throw stones. Not making excuses, just pointing out factors that MAY have contributed to the outcome, and wishing that your QB heals and is ready for the Tommies. Also, someone called it a "thumping." Go check the stats and if not for the turnovers, an objective football fan might think it was the Johnnies in a walk. Both teams had trouble holding onto the ball, and I know the old saying that if my aunt had testicles, she'd be my uncle, all I'm saying is that it was untypical of the way the Johnnies play. You can attribute some of that to the skill of the Kohawks (I finally have the spelling right), but I can't remember a season, much less a game where two turnovers have been taken in for TD's against SJU.

As one of the few that actually called a Kohawk victory on here, I have a couple of requests. 

1. Fellow Kohawk fans need to stay classy.  I know that there were some Johnie fans being over the top with their comments, but lets stay on task, enjoy the victory and hope for more.

2. Please, please, please stop saying it was "untypical" game for the Johnnies.  First of all, lets just pretend that "untypical" is the correct word.........the Kohawks are in the op 5 in the country in turnover margin, so it shouldn't surprise anyone that they had a big advantage in that department.

3.  FWIW, Coe was missing their starting running back, their two top receivers coming into the season, and their QB for the 4th quarter.  They overcame a lot to hold on to the lead, and I am really proud of them! 

4.  Lastly, SJ did outgain Coe by a considerable amount.  But, by forcing 6 turnovers, Coe's defense gave the offense short fields to work with making big yardage drives few and far between.

[Kohawk Remedy]

I thought it was pretty cool that Freddy sent the team a letter to give them some inspiration for the game...it just shows how great of a guy he is, and that Coe College is still a big part of his life.

Before the game, Staker read a letter from former Kohawk and current Buffalo Bill Fred Jackson that stated "Believe in yourself and the guy standing next to you, go out and you can get the job done." That is exactly what the defense did today, especially at the linebacker position.

Full article: http://www.d3football.com/game-release/2009/Nov/21/St.+John%27s-vs-Coe/a2gtb33a7x250tb8.html

[Walston Hoover]

OK, been swamped the last week catching up from football season.
Can someone explain to me what happended on Central's onside kick? It will take too long to go back through and read it.
I know in HS the kicker can be offside to kick it. Ankeny's kicker lines up a yard or 2 past the 40 and takes a banana-type route to the ball.

[Storm Chaser]

Congrats to Central on a successful season and good luck to Coe in the rest of the playoffs.

I was looking at the All Conference list and I saw that both Bladt (Alan with BV and Don with Cornell) brothers made the 1st team defense. Can anyone remember a time that brothers have made 1st team all conference in the same season?

My Congratulations to Coe on their win and to Central for a great season.    

I too had a chance to look at the IIAC All Conference Teams and want to congratulate all the players that were honored.  I'm sure each is very deserving but I did see one anomoly,  Tyler Takes (Coe)  was named 2nd Team at WR and also 2nd Team at Return Specialist.  I'm in no way saying he is not deserving of all conference,  I've watched him play for 2 years and he's a fine athlete,  but ALL Conference TWICE in the same year, is there precedent for that? Just Curious.  Generally these awards spread the wealth a bit and I was surprised to see BV with 7 and Simpson only 1 yet we beat BV and their overall record was 1 win better.  Go Figure.

All that said, I have a very personal connection to a player that I feel was overlooked and will use this forum for his 15 seconds of fame.   He led the IIAC in Kick Off return yards (736), was second in the conference in Kick Off Return Average (Regular season 24.5), FIFTH in the nation in kick off return Yards, led Simpson in All Purpose yards (759)  plus had 42 tackles, 2 interceptions and a forced fumble in 2009 plus 42 tackles and 4 interceptions in 2008 yet didn't garner even an honorable mention. To John Wolfe, congratulations on a very good year and very good career at Simpson.

[Mr. Ypsi]

OK, been swamped the last week catching up from football season.
Can someone explain to me what happended on Central's onside kick? It will take too long to go back through and read it.
I know in HS the kicker can be offside to kick it. Ankeny's kicker lines up a yard or 2 past the 40 and takes a banana-type route to the ball.

Someone posted the relevant portion of the rule book, and it would seem that that was just a blown call.  Seemingly, neither the kicker or the holder (if any) can EVER be offside.

[Voice of the Dutch]

OK, been swamped the last week catching up from football season.
Can someone explain to me what happended on Central's onside kick? It will take too long to go back through and read it.
I know in HS the kicker can be offside to kick it. Ankeny's kicker lines up a yard or 2 past the 40 and takes a banana-type route to the ball.

Central's kicker runs straight down the line of scrimmage to kick his onside kicks.  Either on his approach, or when he planted to kick, his left foot was across the line of scrimmage, and he was called for offsides (with a flag never being thrown).  According to a previous post citing the NCAA rule book, the kicker is allowed to be across the line of scrimmage, so it appears that the official blew the call.

Interestingly, on the re-kick, it was teed up at the 29 yard line, as the kicker gave himself a yard of lee-way.  UMHB recovered the second attempt.