FB: American Rivers Conference

[footballdaddy]

Let me throw this out there for discussion:

Which is better, 2-0 over some pasties or 0-2 against top level teams?

If your goal is to win the conference, I think the latter. At least you get tested and you learn something about your team.

I agree but what if you have a young team and maybe need some confidence builders?

[retagent]

Let me throw this out there for discussion:

Which is better, 2-0 over some pasties or 0-2 against top level teams?

If your goal is to win the conference, I think the latter. At least you get tested and you learn something about your team.

Pardon me for disagreeing with the guru, but I don't think you can make a definative judgement based only on that. You would have to put it in context of the rest of the season. If you go 2 - 0 against patsies, and win the rest of your games convincingly, I would think that would be better than going 0 - 2 and winning the rest of your games convincingly.

[the_mayne_event]

1 of each. Get the team rolling with the first W, get a good test of what you actually are with the 2nd. No one likes going into the season winless, no matter who those losses are against.
Roll up a bunch of offense, have a dominating defensive performace in week 1, no matter the competition you can get a decent look at what your team is going to look like if you have good coaches.

[CaliRamRL6]

TME, were you in school when Coe used to beat the piss out of Eureka to start their season?

[Pat Coleman]

Let me throw this out there for discussion:

Which is better, 2-0 over some pasties or 0-2 against top level teams?

If your goal is to win the conference, I think the latter. At least you get tested and you learn something about your team.

Pardon me for disagreeing with the guru, but I don't think you can make a definative judgement based only on that. You would have to put it in context of the rest of the season. If you go 2 - 0 against patsies, and win the rest of your games convincingly, I would think that would be better than going 0 - 2 and winning the rest of your games convincingly.

That model didn't do much for Case Western Reserve this year, or Monmouth.

Indeed, I think there's room for some middle ground, too, but given the choice between solely cupcakes and solely challenges, then I would like to see challenges.

[doolittledog]

It might help if the cupcakes are D3 schools.  Coe would pretty much have to win the IIAC next year to make the playoffs.  Don't NAIA schools not count as far as the NCAA is concerned reguarding playoff selection???

[doolittledog]

If Cornell gets that ACM conference going and that conference will not have conference championships or NCAA post season play.  They could just throw some token money at the athletic department.  The Cornell basketball coach already left after last season, they are replacing the football HC now.   They could bring in head coaches for football and basketball at bare bones salaries, 35k-45k and give them staffs that are basically a bunch of GA's.  All the other sports coaching positions could be filled on a part time basis from the local population.  Limit recruiting to Iowa, Wisconsin, and Illinois with the head coaches being the only recruiters and not really care about the talent because it really won't matter with no conference championships or post season play. 

Hard to imagine that was what Cochrane envisioned when he left the IIAC office to become the AD in Mt. Vernon but it looks like that is the way things are headed there. 

[Walston Hoover]

Hey guys. What's going on?
Hate this time of year. Time for football to start again.

[TXMike]

Are there any folks here who went to the Mary Hardin-Baylor - Central College game and who can comment on a call I heard was masde at the end of that game.  Allegedly Central tyried an onside kick and the kicker was flagged for offside?

[Purple Heys]

If Cornell gets that ACM conference going and that conference will not have conference championships or NCAA post season play.  They could just throw some token money at the athletic department.  The Cornell basketball coach already left after last season, they are replacing the football HC now.   They could bring in head coaches for football and basketball at bare bones salaries, 35k-45k and give them staffs that are basically a bunch of GA's.  All the other sports coaching positions could be filled on a part time basis from the local population.  Limit recruiting to Iowa, Wisconsin, and Illinois with the head coaches being the only recruiters and not really care about the talent because it really won't matter with no conference championships or post season play. 

Hard to imagine that was what Cochrane envisioned when he left the IIAC office to become the AD in Mt. Vernon but it looks like that is the way things are headed there. 

I don't concur on this assessment...or maybe I don't want to yet.

I will begin by saying I would like to see the Rams stay in the IIAC.  But at the end of the day if they did move on into a conference equivalent to an MWC...I would get that.

1st, I think most of this is highly speculative.  Some of this seems to have taken a life of its own in our hands.

2nd, my opinion is that creating a conference with no playoff/no conference championships, in this part of the country, given the history of the programs, is tantamount to relegating athletics to recreation activities (concurring with Double D on the point).  I can say this...I would have steered Jr. away from a school like that.  However this non-competitive notion flies directly against the statements made by Cornell, at least as I interpret them, as to the relative importance of athletics to the college.  I think Cornell values its athletics far too much to allow this to happen. 

3rd, again my opinion, is that the coaching changes have been on the merits and circumstances in each sports' case.  The rationale for the coaching change in basketball does not relate to the football change.  Our basketball coach left a program that had recently achieved unprecedented success.  Having built this program to success would have seem to have primed him for a step up (he was on other's lists), yet he left to take a non-basketball job.  I take this at face value.  He made a family decision.  In football, Coach Dillon's W-L record was such that any football coach's job security would be low.  He elected to resign, we speculate why, but it doesn't matter.  Mr. Cochrane has made changes in other sports as well...and it seems to have had a positive impact on those sports.  I don't see a "low-balling" trend here.

[Purple Heys]

OK...I think I know what's going on.

The rest of IIAC colleges are scared of us since we keep inching closer and finally win an IIAC game and they are leaking these rumors to the press.  They want us out before there's no stopping us.

[doolittledog]

After talking to someone on the MWC board and another on the MIAC board, I'm beginning to think that it's just talk at this point and nothing will end up happening regarding a new conference.  And as Cochrane said in that article.  SOMETHING has to be decided, and decided on soon.  I hope Cornell stays, and I think they will.  I get the feeling the administration likes the "idea" of the new conference but that it just won't work out how they would like to see it. 

[sportsknight]

Hey guys. What's going on?
Hate this time of year. Time for football to start again.

Shouldn't you be out recruiting? 

[coocooforcoekohawk]

Are there any folks here who went to the Mary Hardin-Baylor - Central College game and who can comment on a call I heard was masde at the end of that game.  Allegedly Central tyried an onside kick and the kicker was flagged for offside?

I hear a can opener.

[coocooforcoekohawk]

Hey guys. What's going on?
Hate this time of year. Time for football to start again.

Shouldn't you be out recruiting? 

Oh, you Catholics.