FB: American Rivers Conference

[doolittledog]

I wouldn't take too much offense at anything said on here.  Most posters like to rib other schools, it's the nature of the beast and for the most part done with humor.

UD has taken shots over the years on here for being poor in EVERY sport and for admitting students that don't necessarily have the highest test scores in the world. 

Central gets kidded for being cult like and saying nothing is ever bad there.

Coe gets made fun of for being located in Cedar Rapids and known as the city of 5 smells. 

If the worst thing Wartburg gets accused of is buying students then that isn't too bad in the grand scheme of things. 

[footballdaddy]

Sorry for the outburst, but I'm simply inundated with political candidates talking about how they are going to cut my taxes.

Speaking of such, since I'm not a college graduate and such things must be over my head, how if we cut personal and corporate taxes(which lower revenues), how are we going to pay for essental services like education which are underfunded now?

[doolittledog]

The theory goes, if you cut personal and corporate taxes, you increase personal spending and therefore you actually bring in more in taxes to pay for roads and hospitals and schools. 

Less taxes means you have money to buy cars and tv's and what not.  Then there are more jobs for the people that sell those and if they aren't unemployed they aren't taking tax payer money and are actually paying taxes...just not as high of a percent. 

And with more employed people they have more disposable income so they decide to take in D3 games and donate money to D3 schools

[footballdaddy]

OK, I get that but what happens between tax cut now and when one can actually see improvement 5-7 years down the road? Somewhere,somehow somone has to raise taxes just to maintain the staus quo. So now my kids are going to a community college instead of the IIAC until the econmy improves and by then it's too late.

[DutchFan2004]

OK, I get that but what happens between tax cut now and when one can actually see improvement 5-7 years down the road? Somewhere,somehow somone has to raise taxes just to maintain the staus quo. So now my kids are going to a community college instead of the IIAC until the econmy improves and by then it's too late.

Well which are you talking?  Federal candidates? State candidates?  Schools generally come from local taxes such as property and I know there is a per student amount of state aid but your property taxes go to support the community colleges and local k-12 schools.  There is varying amounts of federa monies that flow directly to the individual school district.  Some districts have avoided the feds money as then they have to abide by federal rules.  So in the end I would say with the age that your kids are go with the tax cuts so you have the money to pay the IIAC schools tuition as your kids are past or almost past the k-12 age any way.   

[DutchFan2004]

Warthog, I stand corrected 

Footballdaddy, Don't be defensive about it. You just proved my point. Your son's academic credentials were the same when applying to all the schools you mentioned.

Wartburg gave him the best financial aid package out of the 3 you mentioned.

No one said wartburg wasn't a good college or that other factors don't play into the decision.

But, in your son's case, he choose the college that gave him the best financial aid award. Don't you think other kids are doing that as well?

It's simple economics, if 3 colleges are all viewed relatively equal as far as what they "offer", then of course the kid is going to choose the one that is less expensive.

In some cases, wartburg may not be the first choice but because they offer a kid a better financial aid package, the kid and parents probably figure (especially if they are first generation or come from financial struggles) why not choose our 2nd choice school if we can save a few thousand dollars (or more  a year

The above 2 examples are "buying" students to attend.

Now, if another college costs more to attend but has unique offerings (majors, relationship with coach recruiting them, campus improvements, extra-curricular involvements, location, etc..) that the student really wants, well, that may result in them paying MORE to attend that college instead of being "bought" by another college.

When my son was getting his packages I think Wartburg had the best one but only by less than $100.  And when in the scheme of things $100 isnt that big of a deal but I think that he chose the school he thought was the best fit for him both academically and football wise.  I think the relationships that the coaches develop during recruiting are big as well and maybe dont get enough credit when we talk about college choice. 

[footballdaddy]

OK, I get that but what happens between tax cut now and when one can actually see improvement 5-7 years down the road? Somewhere,somehow somone has to raise taxes just to maintain the staus quo. So now my kids are going to a community college instead of the IIAC until the econmy improves and by then it's too late.

Well which are you talking?  Federal candidates? State candidates?  Schools generally come from local taxes such as property and I know there is a per student amount of state aid but your property taxes go to support the community colleges and local k-12 schools.  There is varying amounts of federa monies that flow directly to the individual school district.  Some districts have avoided the feds money as then they have to abide by federal rules.  So in the end I would say with the age that your kids are go with the tax cuts so you have the money to pay the IIAC schools tuition as your kids are past or almost past the k-12 age any way.   

That's my point. The federal government "cuts" my taxes "shrinks" government by cutting aid to states for education and other things which increases the states obligation. But the state does the same thing putting the burden to local government which is forced to raise taxes by a higher rate than the cuts from state and federal government to maintain eduaction and essential services. So two "tax cuts" end up costing me more to maintain staus quo. I know the libertarians say that that's the way it should be with localities setting ther budgets and priorities with minimal federal and state interference, but that also affects property owners more than those who don't own. So I still get screwed.   

[KCDutch]

OK, I get that but what happens between tax cut now and when one can actually see improvement 5-7 years down the road? Somewhere,somehow somone has to raise taxes just to maintain the staus quo. So now my kids are going to a community college instead of the IIAC until the econmy improves and by then it's too late.

Well which are you talking?  Federal candidates? State candidates?  Schools generally come from local taxes such as property and I know there is a per student amount of state aid but your property taxes go to support the community colleges and local k-12 schools.  There is varying amounts of federa monies that flow directly to the individual school district.  Some districts have avoided the feds money as then they have to abide by federal rules.  So in the end I would say with the age that your kids are go with the tax cuts so you have the money to pay the IIAC schools tuition as your kids are past or almost past the k-12 age any way.   

That's my point. The federal government "cuts" my taxes "shrinks" government by cutting aid to states for education and other things which increases the states obligation. But the state does the same thing putting the burden to local government which is forced to raise taxes by a higher rate than the cuts from state and federal government to maintain eduaction and essential services. So two "tax cuts" end up costing me more to maintain staus quo. I know the libertarians say that that's the way it should be with localities setting ther budgets and priorities with minimal federal and state interference, but that also affects property owners more than those who don't own. So I still get screwed.   

We all just got screwed, b/c this belongs on the political board.  Is there NO WHERE one can go w/out being preached to about politics? 

[doolittledog]

I'll try to get your minds off politics.

If an IIAC school suddenly had an endowment the size of Grinnell and was able to offer free tuition to all students like Grinnell does.  Would that be buying students?  Of just a case of being a really really nice school?  Would your answer depend on if that school suddenly started winning the all-sports trophy on a regular basis? 

Question #2...Who wins the IIAC title this fall?

Question #3...Who wins MVP?

Question #4...Who wins COY?

Question #5...Anyone have any new tailgating recipes I need to know about???

[footballdaddy]

In answer to #5

Atomic Wildcat Turds:

Jalapeno peppers-cut in half with seeds and ribs removed

stuff with mixture of cream cheese and shredded cheddar cheese

place one cocktail smokie on top

wrap with 1/3 slice bacon.

Bake at 350deg oven until bacon is cooked and cheese is melted


serve with mass quantities of your favorite bevreage, preferrably icecold Blue Moonl

[doolittledog]

Your my kind of tailgater footballdaddy.  That is one heck of a recipe

Any recipe that includes peppers, cheese, and bacon is a winner in my book.  And you are on my wifes good list for being a Blue Moon fan!!!

[Klompen]

Here is an article from the Press-Citizen about Wartburg College awarding scholarships to local kids.

http://www.press-citizen.com/article/20100606/NEWS01/100607005/1079/

Am I reading this correctly?  400 incoming freshmen are getting presential scholarships ranging from $10,000 to full tuition?  First off, how many incoming freshmen will Wartburg have?  Second, is this normal for most of your student body to be getting 10k in scholarships?  Third, does Wartburg have this much money to give away?  I'm old and out of the loop now as far as how much money a typical student gets now days.  Just curious. 

Let me clarify this.  From reading an article from a couple of years ago, it had said that the average IIAC school gave out about 15k - 18k per student in finantial aid.  I was just figuring most students would get a bundled up package where some money would be from academic scholarships, some money would come from work study, and some money might come from a music scholarship or some other type of scholarship.  I didn't figure 400 incoming freshmen would ALL be getting a Presidential Scholarship.

If 80% of your class is made up of Presidential Scholars, either you are an Ivy League school or your requirements are mightly low.

[warthog]

With such graduates as Walston Hoover, sportsknight, warthog, and 1/2 of dutchfan1's relatives, I would say the answer to Klompen's question is Ivy League.

[doolittledog]

I think you might have an argument for all of our Iowa colleges being strong academically.  With a nice assist from our Iowa high schools in preparing our kids.

My family moved to Iowa when I was 14 and all of my sisters graduated from high school in the St. Louis area.  They grew up with the mindset that only kids from large metro high schools received good educations.  My middle sister went to Duke and then went to the University of Iowa for med school.  She was stunned to find kids that came from very small Iowa high schools and then went on to small Iowa colleges that were as well prepared or even better prepared for med school than she was.  She was actually upset that her Duke education in effect wasn't any better than an IIAC education.  It made me smile though

Another IIAC football question...or questions...

1.  What IIAC team will surprise in a good way this fall?

2.  What IIAC team will surprise in a bad way this fall? 

[footballdaddy]

#1. Wartburg

#2. Wartburg