FB: American Rivers Conference

[Klompen]

whats up with this Love fest. Where all the trash talk.    .


I pray that the central fan that got hurt is ok.   After a career in Law Enforcement I've stopped trying to figure out why people do stupid things.

Central's the good.  We leave trash talking to the bad.   

My niece is a police officer in Des Moines and the stories she tells of stupid people.  It's amazing how many there are in this world.  A beat down because you are too cheap and lazy to pay to get into the game.  Why not just go sit on the roof?  The world might be better off if you fell off it.     Okay, so I save my trash talk for the guy that beats up innocent fans wanting to park, pay and go watch a good football game.

[doolittledog]

Dubuque Telegraph-Herald with a write-up on the UD/Cornell game and Brautigams return

http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=296888

Loras gets the short story after getting handled easily by the Knights

http://www.thonline.com/article.cfm?id=296891

[Natural Light Dutchman]

Had a conversation with my dad about the Dutch today and I came to a troubling conclusion. Central's defensive philosophy needs to change. How many teams in the IIAC run a wide open spread offense? I haven't been to a game in a few years but I remember Simpson, Coe, Dubuque, and Cornell run wide open offenses. I know that the Dutch have the athletes to hang with anyone but I fear that high octane offenses are simply going to present a problem with the 4-3 D that they run. I was never crazy about the Stack 33 but it had decent elements. As a disclaimer, I am not a coach or a coordinator but I just think that in this league, having another speedier player as opposed to a big body would increase the chances that we wouldn't see another near record setting day like we did today. Of course, I could be completely wrong and Coe was just firing on all cylinders......

The Dutch used to run a 3 man front with a stinger that could act as a 4th man down and that defense didnt last very long...still not the 33 Stack but it shows they have tried to use speed with the extra linebacker. Not to mention it was the gains on the ground up the gut in the second half that really gashed the Dutch so maybe a couple hogs in the middle may have been beneficial since pressure on boyle was lacking anyways.

[Charlie Kohawk]

I believe your thinking of the 10-7 Wartburg Mud Bowl.

No, I'm definitely thinking of a muddy game with Central.

[Old Dutch]

Congrats to the Kohawks on a great game, mistake free rules the day.  I think we all felt the air come out of the Dutch with the fumble through the end zone.  Would have been a lead change and some more rest for a weary Dutch D  if we'd hung on to that one.  I thought the penalty letting Coe out from the 1 yd line was also a huge turning point. Brondyke placed a great punt down there and the coverage was brilliant, Coe fumbles literally on the goal line on first down and then we let them get away that on second down penalty. Central still held the lead.  

The difference was in fact Coe's running game Leiren (sp?) is the real deal, but then he and Boyle also had open meadows to run through so props to the Coe front 5.

I saw Staker on TV after the game and he talked about an adjustment up front at halftime that made the difference, One of the very few times I've seen a Dutch squad out schemed in a second half, thats how we've always gotten those comebacks!

To answer the three way tie question, Wartburg gets AQ due to no playoffs last year, (Rose Bowl Rule) then it will go to head to head, so Central cannot have that happen.  Run the table Coe!  

Get back to work Dutch and take care of business week by week so we can get to a rematch.  

[Old Dutch]

You want trash talk we need to point that at that convict in the CR neighborhood.  I heard they were booing the National Anthem before the game also, sounds like some stupid meth head who couldn't pour p*** out of a boot if his name was on the heel.

[Thunderbolt]

  I thought the penalty letting Coe out from the 1 yd line was also a huge turning point. Brondyke placed a great punt down there and the coverage was brilliant, Coe fumbles literally on the goal line on first down and then we let them get away that on second down penalty. Central still held the lead. 

Yes that was a pivotal point in the game. Without a replay, I wouldn't say for sure but it looked to me that Boyle went to a knee to pick up the fumbled snap. That would have given the Dutch defense a break. But all in all I thought the officiating crew did a great job of letting both teams play.
  I'm not sure what the adjustment was at half time either. I know the Coe linemen were crossing and stunting a lot in the first half and got burned badly by the Dutch a few times. Central didn't have the ball long enough in the second half to really tell.

[Thunderbolt]

  I'm not sure who would have been considered the offensive guru of the conference over the past few years, but I'm convinced now he's calling plays for Coe. They better lock him up because others will be calling. Some of the things he does with formations and route patterns in combination with the tempo they play at, makes it damn hard to adjust to. I think they caught Central off guard early with their running game coming out of the formations they used. They didn't show that the week before and probably not in the first two games either. Of course it doesn't hurt to have real good athletes.

[Kohawk Krazy]

  I'm not sure who would have been considered the offensive guru of the conference over the past few years, but I'm convinced now he's calling plays for Coe. They better lock him up because others will be calling. Some of the things he does with formations and route patterns in combination with the tempo they play at, makes it damn hard to adjust to. I think they caught Central off guard early with their running game coming out of the formations they used. They didn't show that the week before and probably not in the first two games either. Of course it doesn't hurt to have real good athletes.

Something tells me he is locked up for quite some time.  I will agree though, Tyler is great when it comes to schemes, although I don't think it's all him.  Having young assistants and GA's also helps.

[the_mayne_event]

I believe your thinking of the 10-7 Wartburg Mud Bowl.

No, I'm definitely thinking of a muddy game with Central.

definately the mud game vs wartburg.. central was the next week.. while cold, it was dry.

[the_mayne_event]

Had a conversation with my dad about the Dutch today and I came to a troubling conclusion. Central's defensive philosophy needs to change. How many teams in the IIAC run a wide open spread offense? I haven't been to a game in a few years but I remember Simpson, Coe, Dubuque, and Cornell run wide open offenses. I know that the Dutch have the athletes to hang with anyone but I fear that high octane offenses are simply going to present a problem with the 4-3 D that they run. I was never crazy about the Stack 33 but it had decent elements. As a disclaimer, I am not a coach or a coordinator but I just think that in this league, having another speedier player as opposed to a big body would increase the chances that we wouldn't see another near record setting day like we did today. Of course, I could be completely wrong and Coe was just firing on all cylinders......

The Dutch used to run a 3 man front with a stinger that could act as a 4th man down and that defense didnt last very long...still not the 33 Stack but it shows they have tried to use speed with the extra linebacker. Not to mention it was the gains on the ground up the gut in the second half that really gashed the Dutch so maybe a couple hogs in the middle may have been beneficial since pressure on boyle was lacking anyways.

this was how (or one the bigger reasons) wartburg was able to beat coe for the last years of the Raeburn era. Wartburg would man up on the recievers and make them catch the ball, blitz the whole game, and pile on qb hits. its can work if you are able to get to the QB.

[Klompen]

Old Dutch, your thinking is right on target.  A three way tie will do nothing for Central, so Coe might as well run the table.  Plus it saves me from having to cheer on Wartburg.      The good guys having to cheer for the evil empire just doesn't feel right.   

[doolittledog]

Old Dutch, your thinking is right on target.  A three way tie will do nothing for Central, so Coe might as well run the table.  Plus it saves me from having to cheer on Wartburg.      The good guys having to cheer for the evil empire just doesn't feel right.   

Well, you could see Coe lose to UD and Wartburg.  Wartburg lose to UD and Central.  UD and Central  both go 7-1.  Central beat UD and has a better overall record so the Dutch get the tie breaker.  Unless the IIAC goes with the Rose Bowl rule and UD wins the tie breaker because they haven't won the title since 1980.

Unlikely, yes.  Very unlikely, you bet.  Purple Heys reports pigs flying over SoCal if that scenario plays out...possibly.  But, it COULD happen

[Kohawk Krazy]

Old Dutch, your thinking is right on target.  A three way tie will do nothing for Central, so Coe might as well run the table.  Plus it saves me from having to cheer on Wartburg.      The good guys having to cheer for the evil empire just doesn't feel right.   

Well, you could see Coe lose to UD and Wartburg.  Wartburg lose to UD and Central.  UD and Central  both go 7-1.  Central beat UD and has a better overall record so the Dutch get the tie breaker.  Unless the IIAC goes with the Rose Bowl rule and UD wins the tie breaker because they haven't won the title since 1980.

Unlikely, yes.  Very unlikely, you bet.  Purple Heys reports pigs flying over SoCal if that scenario plays out...possibly.  But, it COULD happen

After seeing highlights of the Central-Dubuque game and watching some video of their game last night against Cornell, the odds of Dubuque going 7-1 are about the same as someone other than Mount Union or Whitewater winning the national title.

[Kohawk Krazy]

Kohawks move up to #6.  Dutch stay in top ten at #9.  Good to see them stay in Top ten.  Great for the IIAC.