FB: American Rivers Conference

[coocooforcoekohawk]

Interesting to say the least...& time will tell.

I assumed that:

Mount Union would be #1 North with NCC #2 North.  

UW-W #1 West and St. Thomas #2 West

If Coe doesn't make the playoffs these are the teams I want to see in the regional finals.

[d-train]

Interesting to say the least...& time will tell.

I assumed that:

Mount Union would be #1 North with NCC #2 North.  

UW-W #1 West and St. Thomas #2 West

If Coe doesn't make the playoffs these are the teams I want to see in the regional finals.

That'd be two seriously stacked brackets.

[Purple Heys]

The real question them becomes, who is the 8th team out West? Unlikely that PLU makes the field given the extra flight.

I did not know Point Loma had a football team...   

[d-train]

The real question them becomes, who is the 8th team out West? Unlikely that PLU makes the field given the extra flight.

I did not know Point Loma had a football team...   

I'm not sure Wartburg had heard of PLU before '99 either...

[doolittledog]

Unfortunately, a schools athletic program, and quite often the whole school, is judged on the performance of the football team. Donors don't line up to contribute because women's cross country won conference. I think that Cornell feels like to energize the alumni and donations, they need to move to where success on the field translates into $$$$$$$$$$$$. If football becomes a mid-level team in the MWC, it may become easier to get the donations and recruits to become a successful program.

From the Council for Aid to Education.  Cornell donations over the prior 4 years.

2006 - $5,511,896
2007 - $7,789,761
2008 - $8,647,083
2009 - $9,810,205

Cornell is the only school in the IIAC to have brought in more donations that the previous year, each of the past 4 years.  That has coincided with the Rams going 1-31 in IIAC football action.  Here is how Cornell stacks up against the rest of the IIAC in donations over the prior 4 years...

Dubuque - $61,939,577
Coe - $46,396,122
Luther - $40,950,033
Cornell - $31,578,945
Central - $31,458,806
Wartburg - $24,667,796
Loras - $23,160,118
Simpson - $13,696,205
Buena Vista - $12,679,648

I didn't look up donations to MWC schools, maybe they all have Grinnell type money, but I suspect they don't.  I also suspect Cornell will have a harder time getting grid iron wins in the MWC than they they think.  I also suspect the administration in Mt. Vernon won't suddenly find donations flowing into the school at a significantly higher rate.  I ALSO suspect that Cornell really doesn't care what I think and will make the move regardless

[footballdaddy]

I can't fault your research findings, but maybe those income sources would dry up without something to show for it. I could possibly see some of this happening in Dubuque if the football team doesn't start competing very soon. You can get donations on promises for only so long before you need to show some results.

But what do I know? The only thing I've ever contributed to was the delinquincy of a minor. 

[coco]

^ that's what I was alluding to. It'll be interesting, and who knows if PLU can close out strong against Willamette, and a couple 1 loss teams stumble, anything could be possible.

Bottom line, the Pool C bid is as competitive as I can ever remember it being. There will be some very quality teams that get left off of the board.

That's what I was trying to say (poorly) earlier. I think chances are slim that they will take 3 West Coast teams because it creates havoc with the travel. It's obvious to match up the SCIAC and NWC winners, without having to pay for that odd flight. Four from the West Coast is unlikely, but as you said, anything is possible.

[doolittledog]

You are probably right footballdaddy, I was just looking up numbers for the heck of it.  I could totally see during the last capital campain at Cornell they had a lot of donors telling them "ok, here's a check, but I want to see some wins...and soon"  

I just took a quick look and found most MWC schools had similar donation numbers, if maybe slightly lower numbers to IIAC schools.  If Cornell moves and gets some more wins on the field I suppose maybe they can keep their current numbers up instead of seeing them drop off in the coming years.  

Cornell has also mentioned wanting to be together with like minded schools.  I think there are 6 ACM schools in the MWC, there are 3 ACM schools in the IIAC...until Cornell leaves us.

Probably doesn't do us any good to talk about this, I just hate to see Coe and Cornell in seperate conferences.  That just doesn't seem right to me.  We also had a great time going down to Mt. Vernon over the prior 3 years to watch games.  I suspect my family won't be heading down that way if we don't have IIAC action to watch.  

Too bad the IIAC wasn't able to talk Grinnell into the conference a few years back.  That would have made 4 out of 10 IIAC schools as members of the ACM  and a nice, state wide presence.

[Kohawk Krazy]

Looking at the regional rankings and reading my "tea leaves" I must conclude there is a good chance for an IIAC vs. MIAC bracket with UW-W, MWChamp, Cal Lu, and Linfield the other side of the bracket.

I'd love to see Coe play St. Thomas.

Better take care of Cornell first!

Looks like it will be cold enough for the letter jacket.

 

I think you are correct on the IIAC vs. MIAC Bracket.  While anyone from Coe will be happy to be in the playoffs again, I don't think we want to see St. Thomas or UW-W in the first round.

[5 Words or Less]

I hope Coe gets in.

[DBQ1965]

I can't fault your research findings, but maybe those income sources would dry up without something to show for it. I could possibly see some of this happening in Dubuque if the football team doesn't start competing very soon. You can get donations on promises for only so long before you need to show some results.

But what do I know? The only thing I've ever contributed to was the delinquincy of a minor. 

I've given to UD every year since 1968 ... regardless of how the football team did ... or the basketball team ... or wrestling ... or track (we didn't have soccer "back when" ... and I will continue to give regardless of won-loss records.  I owe UD too much to turn my back on them.  I daresay, many of my class-mates and fellow alumni feel the same.

GO SPARTANS!

[DutchFan2004]

I would imagine that in the event of co-champions both teams would receive a championship trophy.  Given that Wartburg has already clinched their share and Coe's fate is yet to be determined wouldn't it make sense to give them their trophy?   It's no disprespect to Coe or Simpson it's simply an acknowledgement of what Wartburg has already achieved. Why should Wartburg have to wait to see what Coe does to celebrate what they have already achieved?

I haave a little different take on the trophy.  If Central had won they had completed their season.  When was the commisioner supposed to give them their trophy?  Send it UPS or Fedex?  Wartburg wins this Saturday and the commisioner can give it to them and then send it to Coe Fedex or UPS.  Now Central is out of the picture and the commisioner gave Wartburg their trophy and he is free to be at Coe to present one after the Coe Cornell game if Coe wins.  Seems to me that this way the commisioner is there to present a trophy to each team after each game that they clinched. 

[5 Words or Less]

IIAC Honors Since 1968 (sorted)

MVP by Position
2 DB, 5 DL, 3 LB, 2 OL, 16 QB, 13 RB, 1 TE, 1 WR

MVP by College
4 BV, 13 CEN, 4 COE, 1 DBQ, 3 LUT, 2 LOR, 5 SIM, 1 UI, 7 WAR, 3 WP

COY BY College
7 BV, 16 CEN, 3 COE, 1 COR, 4 UD, 3 LUT, 6 SIM, 1 UI, 5 WAR, 1 WP

[coocooforcoekohawk]

I don't think we want to see St. Thomas or UW-W in the first round.

I think it is inevitable.  With the West Coast teams playing each other the only other team that Coe could face would be the Wart.
The chances of Coe and Wartburg playing in the first round is slim and none, and slim just got cut.

[Purple Heys]

Dubuque - $61,939,577
Coe - $46,396,122
Luther - $40,950,033
Cornell - $31,578,945
Central - $31,458,806
Wartburg - $24,667,796
Loras - $23,160,118
Simpson - $13,696,205
Buena Vista - $12,679,648

What shocks me here is the number of trash cans 'Hacks grads must have had to pillage to collect enough plastic bottles and aluminum cans to donate that much money...