FB: American Rivers Conference

[warthog]

Here's a link to the new Peterson Field if anyone is interested.  Excited to watch a night game there sometime in the future.

http://www.facebook.com/BVUAthletics?ref=stream#!/photo.php?fbid=10151135386935987&set=a.10151135386915987.496745.144921560986&type=1&theater

Looks nice.

[warthog]

I assume all the schools have started camp???

Any new insight?  Looks like Wartburg has brought in a few QB's...any of these freshman have the potential to start?

They brought in six 1st year QBs.  I hope one or two of them have some potential.   

That is their coach's philosophy.  He likes to get a lot of QB's sort out the ones that can play QB and then move the others to other spots to help the team.  It really makes sense when you think about it.  High school QB's are usually the most talented athletes on the team and they can move to other positions easily if they can not play QB for them

Perhaps Walston-Hoover could verify the year, but one of the seasons when Little Warthog was a Knight, they brought in five or six quarterbacks who had been either 1st or 2nd team all-state on the various classifications of Iowa High School Football.  As Dutch2004 said some of them became WRs, RBs, and DBs.  I don't think any of them beefed up enough to play on either OL or DL.

[footballdaddy]

The schedule is definitely tough and in reality, the conference is certainly up for grabs to about 4-5 teams in my opinion at this point. I am not saying the Spartans are going to run away with anything but I also don't believe they can be counted "out" because of the talent lost. They have 170 guys reporting to camp that think otherwise.

And Wartburg used to get grief for having 135-140 in camp!

[footballdaddy]

I assume all the schools have started camp???

Any new insight?  Looks like Wartburg has brought in a few QB's...any of these freshman have the potential to start?

They brought in six 1st year QBs.  I hope one or two of them have some potential.   

That is their coach's philosophy.  He likes to get a lot of QB's sort out the ones that can play QB and then move the others to other spots to help the team.  It really makes sense when you think about it.  High school QB's are usually the most talented athletes on the team and they can move to other positions easily if they can not play QB for them

Perhaps Walston-Hoover could verify the year, but one of the seasons when Little Warthog was a Knight, they brought in five or six quarterbacks who had been either 1st or 2nd team all-state on the various classifications of Iowa High School Football.  As Dutch2004 said some of them became WRs, RBs, and DBs.  I don't think any of them beefed up enough to play on either OL or DL.

I belive the Knights have a pretty good idea who the starter will be, but you still need to fill out the depth chart. And DF2004 is right in that QB's fit well in other positions.

[doolittledog]

The schedule is definitely tough and in reality, the conference is certainly up for grabs to about 4-5 teams in my opinion at this point. I am not saying the Spartans are going to run away with anything but I also don't believe they can be counted "out" because of the talent lost. They have 170 guys reporting to camp that think otherwise.

And Wartburg used to get grief for having 135-140 in camp!

I think I would take camp numbers with the same grain of salt we take attendance figures

This reminds me of the old 120 scholarship days for D1 football.  It was either Shembeckler or Woody Hayes that said after 100, those last 20 kids were just kids you were keeping from possibly playing for your rivals.  If Wartburg can bring in 8 freshman QB's those are kids they can keep from possibly seeing the field for some other IIAC school...which is good for the Knights.  And, you know, a bunch of kids paying tuition allows a school to keep paying their light bills!!!

[notlongago]

I think camp numbers the past few years have shot up across the board. I know Coe, UD, Central, and Wartburg will all have 150+ kids in camp. How about the "2nd tier" teams, what do they bring in?

[doolittledog]

KCRG will broadcast 2 IIAC football games and 2 basketball double headers on their 9.2 channel this year.

http://www.iowaconference.com/news/2012/8/14/FB_0814120857.aspx

09/29 - BVU @ Coe 1pm
11/10 - Luther @ Simpson 3pm

01/23 - Dubuque @ Loras 6pm/8pm
02/02 - Wartburg @ Central 2pm/4pm

[doolittledog]

I think camp numbers the past few years have shot up across the board. I know Coe, UD, Central, and Wartburg will all have 150+ kids in camp. How about the "2nd tier" teams, what do they bring in?

I am curious if 150+ report to camp...how many are typically still left by the 1st game???

And what is the formula for a school to report graduation rates?  There are some schools in our conference that report pretty darn high rates.  If a school brings in 60+ new players in the fall and graduates 20 of them, they better keep a whole mess of those kids on campus after they leave the football program.  That, or every other sport at the school must graduate almost every one they recruit. 

[footballdaddy]

I think camp numbers the past few years have shot up across the board. I know Coe, UD, Central, and Wartburg will all have 150+ kids in camp. How about the "2nd tier" teams, what do they bring in?

I am curious if 150+ report to camp...how many are typically still left by the 1st game???

And what is the formula for a school to report graduation rates?  There are some schools in our conference that report pretty darn high rates.  If a school brings in 60+ new players in the fall and graduates 20 of them, they better keep a whole mess of those kids on campus after they leave the football program.  That, or every other sport at the school must graduate almost every one they recruit.

I would say that most stay in school for that year because I don't think that the tuition is refundable. It would be safe to say that players start taking the "Midnight Train" as soon as after the first day, but they at least finish out the academic year.

[warthog]

I think camp numbers the past few years have shot up across the board. I know Coe, UD, Central, and Wartburg will all have 150+ kids in camp. How about the "2nd tier" teams, what do they bring in?

I am curious if 150+ report to camp...how many are typically still left by the 1st game???

And what is the formula for a school to report graduation rates?  There are some schools in our conference that report pretty darn high rates.  If a school brings in 60+ new players in the fall and graduates 20 of them, they better keep a whole mess of those kids on campus after they leave the football program.  That, or every other sport at the school must graduate almost every one they recruit.

In the for what it is worth dept., Wartburg has 66 freshmen on the 167 player roster.  That is probably somewhat typical at Coe, Central, and Dubuque.  The freshman number is a few more than Cornell had on its entire roster some years in the recent past.

[Beaver44]

Only 22 freshman this year at BV according to the online roster.  My freshman year (2008) we had somewhere around 45.  Numbers are again going to be a huge problem in Storm Lake.

[notlongago]

I think Central usually hits the field with about 130?...Id say in a big freshman class you run into 10-15 that bail right away, but lose the most of them after the first year concludes. What is the typical senior class? 15-20? That means over the course of 4 years you lose anywhere from 40-60 kids per class.....its not for everyone haha

[Willie University]

I think Central usually hits the field with about 130?...Id say in a big freshman class you run into 10-15 that bail right away, but lose the most of them after the first year concludes. What is the typical senior class? 15-20? That means over the course of 4 years you lose anywhere from 40-60 kids per class.....its not for everyone haha

You can look at it different ways.....

1.) The best teams in our conference and probably most D3 conferences in the nation have rosters to start the year of somewhere between 120-160.

2.) You HAVE to throw A LOT of Sh$% at the wall to see what STICKS!!! Until you get them in your own uniform and can really evaluate them against your players, you don't truley know what you have so it's better to bring in large numbers knowing you will get some surprises and some disappointments in your recruiting class. It's a numbers game and only the strong survive. The weak will quit.

Willie U

[Kohawk Krazy]

I think camp numbers the past few years have shot up across the board. I know Coe, UD, Central, and Wartburg will all have 150+ kids in camp. How about the "2nd tier" teams, what do they bring in?

Coe has never had 150 players in camp.  I believe they have 140 right now, which is the most the school has ever had.

[DutchFan2004]

I assume all the schools have started camp???

Any new insight?  Looks like Wartburg has brought in a few QB's...any of these freshman have the potential to start?

I have to give coach Willis credit for this angle on recruiting.  He tells his players this philosophy up front when he is recruiting them.  I know this cause he sat on my living room couch and said this to my son during recruiting.  My son thought it was great to have a coach interested in him for playing time at another position. 

They brought in six 1st year QBs.  I hope one or two of them have some potential.   

That is their coach's philosophy.  He likes to get a lot of QB's sort out the ones that can play QB and then move the others to other spots to help the team.  It really makes sense when you think about it.  High school QB's are usually the most talented athletes on the team and they can move to other positions easily if they can not play QB for them

Perhaps Walston-Hoover could verify the year, but one of the seasons when Little Warthog was a Knight, they brought in five or six quarterbacks who had been either 1st or 2nd team all-state on the various classifications of Iowa High School Football.  As Dutch2004 said some of them became WRs, RBs, and DBs.  I don't think any of them beefed up enough to play on either OL or DL.

I belive the Knights have a pretty good idea who the starter will be, but you still need to fill out the depth chart. And DF2004 is right in that QB's fit well in other positions.