FB: American Rivers Conference

[BoBo]

McMartin released his starting line ups.  I like that, on offense, there is 850 pounds of Dutchmen between the tackles.

I do not think it is a good sign that a QB has not stood out enough to name a starter

He knows who the QB is...no reason to put a name out there and give Osh Kosh an idea of the type of offense that will show up.

Just a hunch, but I seriously doubt this is keeping the Oshkosh coaches up at night.

BTW, it's Oshkosh, no space between the h and k. I've noticed you've had a difficult time spelling it each time you've used it in your posts. 

Last season Oshkosh won 31-28 with Central having 5 turnovers to Oshkosh and their 1 turnover.  I don't think it's a stretch to say the Oshkosh coaching staff, while maybe not losing sleep, could be burning SOME midnight oil in their game prep for the Dutch.

My point is that Oshkosh is going to come out and play their base defense regardless of who's under center for the opponent. This isn't some new concept or reinventing the wheel, but the effectiveness (or lack thereof) of the Titan defensive & the adjustments made during the game will determine the type of offense (or lack thereof) Central shows out on the field...and vice versa. They will have a defensive game plan that incorporates differing offensive styles, but IMO Oshkosh goes with their base defense because they feel they are stronger at what they do than what Central can to to them utlilizing whatever offensive style they employ.

The Oshkosh roster now lists QB Nate Wara at 220lbs which I believe to be considerably bigger than previous years. I'm really interested to see how this additional weight effects his running and overall mobility/toughness. He's had great quickness in the past. He's known for and and has the ability to control most games with his legs or his arm. He's been tough to defend against.

[notlongago]

Are you insinuating that if Oshkosh knew what type of offense the Dutch were going to run they wouldn't adjust their defense to it? Well that's just wrong. And obviously they are going with their most basic base D because what choice do they have? Im not saying it will be the difference between winning and losing the game, but not knowing what kind of offense your opponent is running is a definite disadvantage. The Dutch on the other hand have a basic knowledge of what Oshkosh will try to do therefore they will have have special keys, assignments, formations, etc. to help deal with Wara.

[doolittledog]

BoBo, I get what you are saying...somewhat.  I took it originally that you didn't think Oshkosh coaches were worried at all about Central, like it was going to be an easy win and it didn't matter what defense they put out there. 

[badgerwarhawk]

Oshkosh is also capable of running mulitple offensive schemes.  Last year when we played them they ran the offense we had scouted and prepared less than half of the time.  They've also had a tendency to get gimmicky and add new things to that aspect of their offense yearly.  So the Dutch will very likely also have to make several defensive adjustments in the course of the game.  Obviously keying on Wara is likely to be a critical factor in all of them. Having played them twice already I suspect the Titan staff recognizes that Central is a quality opponent and can not be taken lightly.  It should be a very interesting game.

[wartknight]

DD
Sounds as though an LPC boy (Jared Wauters) is emerging as a DB for the Knights. I guess you're going to have to break out your orange & black gear!!

Wauters was all-state and played in the Shrine Bowl.  I figured he was destined for good things at Wartburg.  And with a whole mess of Wartburg alums on the LPC staff we might be seeing more and more kids from my area heading towards Waverly in the future. 

The last time I was at the UD/Wartburg game in Waverly we had my daughter dress in a Black, Union Knights shirt...so that was somewhat in keeping with the Wartburg spirit there.  Offer her cotton candy again this fall and you will solidly be in the lead for her post high school career...offer me beer at your tailgate and I might not mind

You know that is a given!!
I am sure we can find some CC, or something else with a bunch of sugar for your daughter. Wouldn't want to make it too easy on dad!

[Fannosaurus Rex]

It is interesting that I got a news release e-mail yesterday from the Central Athletic Department of the pre-game article that is now on the web site.  Except the release I got has the probable starters and the web site doesn't.  I don't know if I can stand the pressure of trying to keep the secret.

[doolittledog]

It is interesting that I got a news release e-mail yesterday from the Central Athletic Department of the pre-game article that is now on the web site.  Except the release I got has the probable starters and the web site doesn't.  I don't know if I can stand the pressure of trying to keep the secret.

I pity the fool that doesn't tell me the Central starting lineup!!!

[wartknight]

Are you insinuating that if Oshkosh knew what type of offense the Dutch were going to run they wouldn't adjust their defense to it? Well that's just wrong. And obviously they are going with their most basic base D because what choice do they have? Im not saying it will be the difference between winning and losing the game, but not knowing what kind of offense your opponent is running is a definite disadvantage. The Dutch on the other hand have a basic knowledge of what Oshkosh will try to do therefore they will have have special keys, assignments, formations, etc. to help deal with Wara.

I know the Dutch have a change in personnel from last year, but I doubt they threw out their old playbook! I would assume they will look similar to previous years & making adjustments to match their skill set. I would think most teams come out with their base D, unless they have good reason to go away from it.

[notlongago]

Are you insinuating that if Oshkosh knew what type of offense the Dutch were going to run they wouldn't adjust their defense to it? Well that's just wrong. And obviously they are going with their most basic base D because what choice do they have? Im not saying it will be the difference between winning and losing the game, but not knowing what kind of offense your opponent is running is a definite disadvantage. The Dutch on the other hand have a basic knowledge of what Oshkosh will try to do therefore they will have have special keys, assignments, formations, etc. to help deal with Wara.

I know the Dutch have a change in personnel from last year, but I doubt they threw out their old playbook! I would assume they will look similar to previous years & making adjustments to match their skill set. I would think most teams come out with their base D, unless they have good reason to go away from it.

They have very different playbooks. The more pro-style one they used with tim connel (or is O'Connel) and the pistol/no huddle they ran with snead the past few seasons. One was pass heavy while the other was run heavy, and was power run heavy at that. (hell, a few years ago they used both of them and switched out QBs in the middle of the game...which worked very well for them)

And yea, every team has a base defense...that's why its called base, but every team has nuances, keys, gap, formations, responsibilities , etc. that change from week to week based on the opponent.

[hazzben]

And yea, every team has a base defense...that's why its called base, but every team has nuances, keys, gap, formations, responsibilities , etc. that change from week to week based on the opponent.

Accuracy is somewhere in the middle of this argument. You have your base defense. It is what it is and the best defensive teams use their defense to dictate what the offense can and can't do, not vice versa.

That said, taking a base D and constructing a game plan will have a decent degree of variance if you're going up against a pro-style offense or a spread, pass driven or run driven, etc. And the mobility and type of quarterback is certainly significant.

One of the best parts about early season and especially week one games is you really see which coaches are best when its on the line on Saturdays. Some guys are great at x's and o's and putting together a game plan but not as strong at adjusting when things go off the rails. Week 1 really separates out which coaches can make game time and halftime adjustments. Every team has surprises in store for their opponent if for nothing else than the fact that there are always new faces. Doesn't always mean their team wins, but its fun to watch what happens in the second half during week one.

[footballdaddy]

I am sure we can find some CC, or something else with a bunch of sugar for your daughter. Wouldn't want to make it too easy on dad!

OMG, I hope you are not meaning Canadian Club when you say CC, although she would fit in at the tailgate!

[DutchFan2004]

McMartin released his starting line ups.  I like that, on offense, there is 850 pounds of Dutchmen between the tackles.

I do not think it is a good sign that a QB has not stood out enough to name a starter

He knows who the QB is...no reason to put a name out there and give Osh Kosh an idea of the type of offense that will show up.

Just a hunch, but I seriously doubt this is keeping the Oshkosh coaches up at night.

BTW, it's Oshkosh, no space between the h and k. I've noticed you've had a difficult time spelling it each time you've used it in your posts. 

Im certain they're not, but why give them any more info than necessary? When you play a team considerably better than yourself, you need any help you can get.

If the coaches on either side are losing sleep they are in the wrong profession.  It will be what it will be it is that simple.  Losing sleep is a waste of worry and worrying will not produce any results.  You prepare your team the best you can and if they execute your plan then you have done your job end of story. 

One last thought the best team on paper does not always win the game that is why you play the game. 

[putmeincoach]

talked with a couple of guys who saw the Simpson/Grandview scrimmage - heard Simpson and Nelson looked very good

according to one dad (and I emphasize dad) Simpson out scored GV

saw Grandview/Graceland - if it's true Simpson outplayed GV lookout for the Storm!

GV is very athletic and a very good NAIA team

[doolittledog]

talked with a couple of guys who saw the Simpson/Grandview scrimmage - heard Simpson and Nelson looked very good

according to one dad (and I emphasize dad) Simpson out scored GV

saw Grandview/Graceland - if it's true Simpson outplayed GV lookout for the Storm!

GV is very athletic and a very good NAIA team

I found this on the NAIA board...I will stress NAIA fans have the ability to exagerate reality...either way, interesting to see the differences in opinion between a Grand View fan and a Simpson fan.

As a whole in their Simpson scrimmage, the WR's are outstanding, RB's looked alright, QB's played well, OL was average (replace all 5 from last year).
DL was not blocked all day, LB's are fast and fly around crushing people, corners played very well and are fast, safeties were lighting people up and covering like blankets.
They had well over 600yds of offense, 400 passing in probably close to 100 plays. Simpson had less than 100yds total in roughly the same amount of plays.

Defense will be stacked, offense will be pretty good.......hoping sooner than later.

[putmeincoach]

talked with a couple of guys who saw the Simpson/Grandview scrimmage - heard Simpson and Nelson looked very good

according to one dad (and I emphasize dad) Simpson out scored GV

saw Grandview/Graceland - if it's true Simpson outplayed GV lookout for the Storm!

GV is very athletic and a very good NAIA team

I found this on the NAIA board...I will stress NAIA fans have the ability to exagerate reality...either way, interesting to see the differences in opinion between a Grand View fan and a Simpson fan.

As a whole in their Simpson scrimmage, the WR's are outstanding, RB's looked alright, QB's played well, OL was average (replace all 5 from last year).
DL was not blocked all day, LB's are fast and fly around crushing people, corners played very well and are fast, safeties were lighting people up and covering like blankets.
They had well over 600yds of offense, 400 passing in probably close to 100 plays. Simpson had less than 100yds total in roughly the same amount of plays.

Defense will be stacked, offense will be pretty good.......hoping sooner than later.

that is very interesting - I think it's time for the games to start!