FB: American Rivers Conference

[Purple Heys]

Anyone notice the D3football.com Play of the Week?
http://www.d3football.com/awards/playoftheweek/2012/week5

Dadgum replacement refs...Bring it back, Clipping/Holding/illegal block (take your pick) in the back by Central #45 following the change of possession (see end zone angle)...receiver-turned-defender was trying to get up to give chase.

Don't rain on our parade!!!!!   That was legal all the way and you know it.  You are just not happy about not being in the conference any longer. This is just sour purple grapes.   

Dead ball foul, Unnecessary Roughness, #DF2004, 6 Sierra Nevadas Penalty, will be assessed next time I get to Iowa!!!!   

[DutchFan2004]

Tier 1 WIAC

Tier 2 MIAC NWC IIAC

In the past ten years the IIAC has had 15 playoff teams with 15 losses and 8 wins.  They have had two regional finalist teams with no semifinalists. 

The NWC had 9 playoff teams in 10 years with 11 wins 8 losses two regional finalists and one semifinalist and that semifinalist being a champ. They didn't have an Auto bid until a few years ago. And their lack of two teams has more to do with location than quality, IMO.

The MIAC has incomplete results as the conference website does not have results for the 04 season.  so for 9 years they had 15 playoff teams with 21 wins and 13 loses.  They had 2 semifinalists with 1 champ.  10 years = 17 teams; 26 wins & 14 losses; 1 Champ; 4 Semifinals; 5 Region Finals NB: the only regional final loss was MIAC on MIAC crime, Bethel over UST.

I can support putting the WIAC in its own category. I just don't think the IIAC stacks up next to the NWC or MIAC. The past success just isn't there. The top 3 have all produced national champs and semi-final representatives. The IIAC hasn't done either and your win percentage is considerably lower.

And it just gets more lopsided if you include the full D3football era. NWC picks up a 1 more regional, semifinal and national champ. MIAC picks up 3 Regionals; 3 Semis; 1 Stagg Bowl Runner up. By my quick scan, IIAC picks up none of the above.

Obviously we can all cherry pick stats to prop up our points, and that's what makes the debate fun. But when I look at it, whether its 10 years or the D3fb era, one of these (IIAC) just doesn't seem to be like the other two/three (NWC, MIAC, WIAC)

Your points are well taken except you point about the d3 era.  Central was a national champ at the beginning of the d3 era.  The other point about the NWC is that they have not been getting two teams in because of location maybe valid now that they have an AQ but when that conference was pool B there was about not way they could get two teams in.  Also I took the conference as a whole.  Saying that a conference is a top conference because they have a champ is not comparing the conferences that is giving the conference credit for having a great team.  That is why the WIAC is THE top conference beacuse no matter how we like it most of the WIAC teams would be competing to conference titles in any other conference.  Top to bottom they are tough.  The Coe's Central's Wartburg's of past were competing with the Bethel's Johnnies and other top teams from the West minus UWW.  Thanks for your correction on the MIAC but the MIAC site was screwed up for 04.
We can agree to disagree on this but the IIAC is way ahead of the SCIAC and for what ever reason has more teams qualifying than the NWC. 

[DutchFan2004]

Congrats to the Storm on a victory today.  The better team won today.

[notlongago]

Good game by the storm, I'm sure many level headed people would agree they were probably the favorites coming in and central was lucky to keep it as close as it was. On the Dutch side of things, it's going to be hard to win games so one dimensionally. In the opinion of this has been couch coach, coach McMartin needs to put his loyalty to his players behind what's best for his team. It's apparent to me that boerm is a great athlete and needs to be on the field...just not at QB. Once again eisler looked to show potential as an accurate thrower and obviously josh osbourn is the best rb. Since no one will pay me for my opinion, I'll give you it for free. Boerm as a slot wr that gets 6-8 carries a game and another 6-8 targets as a wr. Osbourn as the main rb with ideally 20 carries a game. Sprinkle in some Curry (pun intended) as a change of pace for another 6-8 carries. And until eisler shows he can't be accurate give him around 20 throws. There are too many assets at wr to not utilize them....again just the opinion of some Internet OC.

[hazzben]

Tier 1 WIAC

Tier 2 MIAC NWC IIAC

In the past ten years the IIAC has had 15 playoff teams with 15 losses and 8 wins.  They have had two regional finalist teams with no semifinalists. 

The NWC had 9 playoff teams in 10 years with 11 wins 8 losses two regional finalists and one semifinalist and that semifinalist being a champ. They didn't have an Auto bid until a few years ago. And their lack of two teams has more to do with location than quality, IMO.

The MIAC has incomplete results as the conference website does not have results for the 04 season.  so for 9 years they had 15 playoff teams with 21 wins and 13 loses.  They had 2 semifinalists with 1 champ.  10 years = 17 teams; 26 wins & 14 losses; 1 Champ; 4 Semifinals; 5 Region Finals NB: the only regional final loss was MIAC on MIAC crime, Bethel over UST.

I can support putting the WIAC in its own category. I just don't think the IIAC stacks up next to the NWC or MIAC. The past success just isn't there. The top 3 have all produced national champs and semi-final representatives. The IIAC hasn't done either and your win percentage is considerably lower.

And it just gets more lopsided if you include the full D3football era. NWC picks up a 1 more regional, semifinal and national champ. MIAC picks up 3 Regionals; 3 Semis; 1 Stagg Bowl Runner up. By my quick scan, IIAC picks up none of the above.

Obviously we can all cherry pick stats to prop up our points, and that's what makes the debate fun. But when I look at it, whether its 10 years or the D3fb era, one of these (IIAC) just doesn't seem to be like the other two/three (NWC, MIAC, WIAC)

Your points are well taken except you point about the d3 era.  Central was a national champ at the beginning of the d3 era.  The other point about the NWC is that they have not been getting two teams in because of location maybe valid now that they have an AQ but when that conference was pool B there was about not way they could get two teams in.  Also I took the conference as a whole.  Saying that a conference is a top conference because they have a champ is not comparing the conferences that is giving the conference credit for having a great team.  That is why the WIAC is THE top conference beacuse no matter how we like it most of the WIAC teams would be competing to conference titles in any other conference.  Top to bottom they are tough.  The Coe's Central's Wartburg's of past were competing with the Bethel's Johnnies and other top teams from the West minus UWW.  Thanks for your correction on the MIAC but the MIAC site was screwed up for 04.
We can agree to disagree on this but the IIAC is way ahead of the SCIAC and for what ever reason has more teams qualifying than the NWC.

Just to clarify d3fb was my shorthand for the D3football.com era, 1999 to present. If we go all the way back to the start it becomes apples to oranges. SJU, Concordia, UWL, Linfield, PLU all have multiple NAIA national titles during that stretch. But that's ancient history now, so the D3football.com era seems to be a good enough place to start, and pretty standard for the site. It's what Keith uses in his ATN articles.

[Charlie Kohawk]

As heart wrenching a scene as I've ever witnessed today at Coe when freshman QB Mark Atwater lay motionless on the turf after a clean, but wicked hit near the Loras sideline. Father and Coe defensive coordinator Larry left the coaching booth to be with his son while trainers and paramedics tended to him. Players on both sides knelt as the crowd stood silent. Brother Jordan, Coe's starting safety, emerged with a scared look on his face as their mom returned to the field. Mark suffered a concussion, but reportedly had feeling and movement in his extremities. But you couldn't see that from across the field. It wasn't until Larry returned to the booth that I knew everything was ok. Up 56-0 at the time, Coe certainly could have finished without him. But there was still time on the clock. And he's a Kohawk. And an Atwater.

Here's the Gazette account of the game:
http://thegazette.com/2012/10/06/atwater-injury-mars-huge-coe-victory-over-loras/

[Klompen]

Congratulations to Simpson on a well played game and earned victory.  You did play the better over all game on both sides of the ball today.  Many times the Dutch D was able to get Simpson in a long 3rd down situation, but the Storm managed to get big 3rd down plays over and over and over again.  The Dutch just could not seem to be consistently strong for 4 defensive downs, with one major exception.  That was one AWESOME defensive stand from 1st and goal at the one to keep them out for 4 plays.  Sadly the offense turned it back over right away and holding them out again was asking an awful lot from the Dutch D. 

From my never played football, OC position I thing Boerm earned the starting QB position last week and he completed 50% of his passes on a windy and cold day with some of the uncaught balls going through the receiver's hands.  Not bad when the O-line gives you no protection.  Simpson's QB seemed to have a lot of time to pass, where Boerm had to scramble right from the snap of the ball.  Eiseler found that out for himself getting sacked repeatedly in his limited time.  Not saying he didn't do a good job getting us to the endzone, but I think Boerm still earned starting QB.  I was hoping maybe toward the end we would try something razzle-dazzle with Boerm, Eiseler and Forsythe all on the field at the same time. 

To the Central parents who inadvertently sat in the reserved seats in the wrong section, I'm sorry for the rudeness of the gentleman (and I use that term loosely) who showed up for the second half and made you move, only to STAND UP the entire second half.  Granted it was his seat, but since he almost always stands for at least the entire second half and did so today, why make one of you move down a row? 

And Hazzben, the D3 board era is a valid time period, except when it doesn't include the ancient history that makes you look good.      Central has been to the Stagg Bowl 3 times, winning once, in the time since they started having a Stagg Bowl.  Just because the last time was 24 years ago...     It is still a part of the IIAC history. 

[Klompen]

Charlie, glad to hear that the player is going to be okay.  Always very scary to see a player lying motionless on the field.  He may be an Atwater and a Kohawk, but IMHO, I prefer to see as many starters as can be out of the game when the score is that lopsided, why risk a completely avoidable injury to a key player?  No need to keep running up the score.  Just glad he will be fine.

[Charlie Kohawk]

Charlie, glad to hear that the player is going to be okay.  Always very scary to see a player lying motionless on the field.  He may be an Atwater and a Kohawk, but IMHO, I prefer to see as many starters as can be out of the game when the score is that lopsided, why risk a completely avoidable injury to a key player?  No need to keep running up the score.  Just glad he will be fine.

He's the backup quarterback.

[warthog]

Good days for the Hanus quarterbacks in the IIAC today>

Dubuque variety 25 of 36 attempts - 244 passing yards - 3 touchdowns
Wartburg variety 19 of 25 attempts - 195 yards passing - 2 touchdowns in his Wartburg varsity debut.

[hazzben]

And Hazzben, the D3 board era is a valid time period, except when it doesn't include the ancient history that makes you look good.      Central has been to the Stagg Bowl 3 times, winning once, in the time since they started having a Stagg Bowl.  Just because the last time was 24 years ago...     It is still a part of the IIAC history.

Or when it excludes the ancient history that makes you look bad. Bethel was horrendous back when Central was winning and playing in Stagg Bowls  Like I said, always nice to slant the data in your own favor 

[notlongago]

Congratulations to Simpson on a well played game and earned victory.  You did play the better over all game on both sides of the ball today.  Many times the Dutch D was able to get Simpson in a long 3rd down situation, but the Storm managed to get big 3rd down plays over and over and over again.  The Dutch just could not seem to be consistently strong for 4 defensive downs, with one major exception.  That was one AWESOME defensive stand from 1st and goal at the one to keep them out for 4 plays.  Sadly the offense turned it back over right away and holding them out again was asking an awful lot from the Dutch D. 

From my never played football, OC position I thing Boerm earned the starting QB position last week and he completed 50% of his passes on a windy and cold day with some of the uncaught balls going through the receiver's hands.  Not bad when the O-line gives you no protection.  Simpson's QB seemed to have a lot of time to pass, where Boerm had to scramble right from the snap of the ball.  Eiseler found that out for himself getting sacked repeatedly in his limited time.  Not saying he didn't do a good job getting us to the endzone, but I think Boerm still earned starting QB.  I was hoping maybe toward the end we would try something razzle-dazzle with Boerm, Eiseler and Forsythe all on the field at the same time. 

To the Central parents who inadvertently sat in the reserved seats in the wrong section, I'm sorry for the rudeness of the gentleman (and I use that term loosely) who showed up for the second half and made you move, only to STAND UP the entire second half.  Granted it was his seat, but since he almost always stands for at least the entire second half and did so today, why make one of you move down a row? 

And Hazzben, the D3 board era is a valid time period, except when it doesn't include the ancient history that makes you look good.      Central has been to the Stagg Bowl 3 times, winning once, in the time since they started having a Stagg Bowl.  Just because the last time was 24 years ago...     It is still a part of the IIAC history.

Once again, I gotta ask, what has boerm showed throwing the ball that eisler can't do 2x as good? Like I said I think boerm needs to be on the field, but they would appear to be much more efficient if they actually had a QB that could throw and let boerm have the ball on the edge and in space....i

[Klompen]

Charlie, glad to hear that the player is going to be okay.  Always very scary to see a player lying motionless on the field.  He may be an Atwater and a Kohawk, but IMHO, I prefer to see as many starters as can be out of the game when the score is that lopsided, why risk a completely avoidable injury to a key player?  No need to keep running up the score.  Just glad he will be fine.

He's the backup quarterback.

Thanks for the clarification, Charlie.  I misunderstood what you were saying with your comment about not needing him the rest of the way.  I apologize for the wrong conclusion.  Still very glad he will be okay.

[Klompen]

Okay, the game is over and Central lost, but just have to get one more Simpson joke in before waiting another year.

I really have to give credit to Simpson for playing a special needs kid at the key position of QB.  Every time they came to the line the poor guy forgot what the play was. 

Come on Simpson coaches, have some guts, make a call before you see how the defense lines up.

[hazzben]

Okay, the game is over and Central lost, but just have to get one more Simpson joke in before waiting another year.

I really have to give credit to Simpson for playing a special needs kid at the key position of QB.  Every time they came to the line the poor guy forgot what the play was. 

Come on Simpson coaches, have some guts, make a call before you see how the defense lines up.

I know it wasn't your intent here Klompen, but for everyone who knows and loves a real special needs kid, that is a pretty hurtful joke.  I realize that's probably not at all how you meant by it, but it can still pick at a wound for certain people.