FB: American Rivers Conference

[doolittledog]

Well said, Willie

[doolittledog]

Cornell is now sitting at 3-2 in conference play over in the Midwest Conference.  The Rams were 3-53 over their final 7 seasons in the IIAC.  I'm still torn over if it was a smart decision to keep their investment the same and make a change back to the Midwest Conference or if Cornell should have put in a little more effort to become competitive in the IIAC.  If Coe can make it work, Cornell should have been able to as well. 

[notlongago]

Cornell is now sitting at 3-2 in conference play over in the Midwest Conference.  The Rams were 3-53 over their final 7 seasons in the IIAC.  I'm still torn over if it was a smart decision to keep their investment the same and make a change back to the Midwest Conference or if Cornell should have put in a little more effort to become competitive in the IIAC.  If Coe can make it work, Cornell should have been able to as well.

I agree with you in that I hate seeing a team essentially quit because they weren't good enough, but in cornells case, they weren't even close to competing and there didn't seem to be any light in the end of the tunnel

[CaliRamRL6]

Cornell is now sitting at 3-2 in conference play over in the Midwest Conference.  The Rams were 3-53 over their final 7 seasons in the IIAC.  I'm still torn over if it was a smart decision to keep their investment the same and make a change back to the Midwest Conference or if Cornell should have put in a little more effort to become competitive in the IIAC.  If Coe can make it work, Cornell should have been able to as well.

I agree with you in that I hate seeing a team essentially quit because they weren't good enough, but in cornells case, they weren't even close to competing and there didn't seem to be any light in the end of the tunnel

It's nice to see them win in the MWC. I think they could've won some games in the IIAC this year. I don't really agree with the statement of them not even being close to competing. I think Coach B had things headed in the right direction. I'm not saying that this 2012 team would be fighting for a IIAC championship but the program as a whole has improved as far as recruiting and performing on the field.

[NewKnightDad]

TEAM	2007 FB EXPENSES	2010 FB EXPENSES	COMMENT:
Buena Vista	$325,455	$383,398
Central	$297,548	$383,067
Coe	$271,565	$264,648	Winning!
Dubuque	$448,102	$400,627	2007 Expenses included trip to Redlands, CA
Loras	$275,945	$362,374
Luther	$228,915	$285,325
Simpson	$323,084	$465,665	44% increase, Yipes!
Wartburg	$246,228	$336,628	No wonder tuition is up!
1. Mt. Union	not available	$448,555
2. UMHB	not available	$1,172,204	Aye carumba!
3. St. Thomas	not available	$493,100
4. Linfield	not available	$404,550
5. UW-Whitewater	not available	$279,543
Upper Iowa (D2)	not available	$1,125,039	Scholarships and travel cost extra
William Penn (NAIA)	not available	$1,427,398	What are they spending on?

Source: http://www.ope.ed.gov/athletics/Index.aspx

This got me to thinking about costs and tuition.  This is what I found for each IIAC member school for 2012-13 tuition on their website (Includes: Room, Board & Tuition.) A great education no matter which you choose I believe.

Luther - $42,170.00
Coe - $41,920.00
Wartburg - $41,055.00
Central - $39,134.00
Simpson - $37,492.00
BV - $36,494.00
Loras - $35,815.00
UD - $35,815.00

[notlongago]

Cornell is now sitting at 3-2 in conference play over in the Midwest Conference.  The Rams were 3-53 over their final 7 seasons in the IIAC.  I'm still torn over if it was a smart decision to keep their investment the same and make a change back to the Midwest Conference or if Cornell should have put in a little more effort to become competitive in the IIAC.  If Coe can make it work, Cornell should have been able to as well.

I agree with you in that I hate seeing a team essentially quit because they weren't good enough, but in cornells case, they weren't even close to competing and there didn't seem to be any light in the end of the tunnel

It's nice to see them win in the MWC. I think they could've won some games in the IIAC this year. I don't really agree with the statement of them not even being close to competing. I think Coach B had things headed in the right direction. I'm not saying that this 2012 team would be fighting for a IIAC championship but the program as a whole has improved as far as recruiting and performing on the field.

Can I ask what your basing this off of? I mean every year its the same pattern: win a game or two in the non-conference then get throttled in conference....hell their last game was 77-7! doesn't seem like they made any progress whatsoever.

(and before you say, "well they brought in many more recruits than normal", do you think that had anything to with them telling thier recruits they were leaving for a much easier conference? I sure do.)

[doolittledog]

We now know where the money is coming from for the new indoor practice facility at UD.

http://www.thonline.com/news/breaking/article_5f77e6ec-1714-11e2-b09c-0019bb30f31a.html

From the article...


University of Dubuque President Jeffrey F. Bullock on Monday announced a gift of $13.5 million from Trustee Joe Chlapaty and his wife, Linda, to fund Phase I of new campus student housing and an indoor practice/intramural facility.

The Chlapatys have now donated more than $80 million to UD. Joe Chlapaty, a 1968 graduate of UD, is the CEO of Advanced Drainage Systems Inc.

Intramural/Practice Facility

Since its dedication in 2009, the Chlapaty Recreation and Wellness Center, along with the Charles C. Myers Library, has become the most widely used facility on campus. Currently, the 1,200 UD students who participate in intramurals and the 700 students cleared to participate in intercollegiate athletics share this facility with students from Northeast Iowa Community College, UD ROTC, faculty and staff, as well as select agencies and community groups.

Recreation and practice space is at a premium. The new, cost-effective facility will provide the space to accommodate this level of participation (180 feet by 210 feet) and provide an effective solution (artificial turf) to minimize the wear and tear on the CRWC indoor surface from activities that the surface was not designed to support.

Potterveld student residential apartments built in the 1960s will be razed and the intramural/practice facility will be built on the site.

[doolittledog]

This got me to thinking about costs and tuition.  This is what I found for each IIAC member school for 2012-13 tuition on their website (Includes: Room, Board & Tuition.) A great education no matter which you choose I believe.

Luther - $42,170.00
Coe - $41,920.00
Wartburg - $41,055.00
Central - $39,134.00
Simpson - $37,492.00
BV - $36,494.00
Loras - $35,815.00
UD - $35,815.00

Well said.  I am a big fan of all the Iowa Conference schools.  We should be proud of the way they have developed. 

And speaking of Iowa Conference schools.  I will once again be travelling to Waverly with my youngest daughter for the UD/Wartburg game.  Our oldest will be at a sleep over and my wife is taking our son to see his cousins in Des Moines.  Will any of you be at the parents tailgate?  And if so, will we be welcomed in again...if I bring some food and malted barley liquid goodness???

[Ash Park]

Cornell is now sitting at 3-2 in conference play over in the Midwest Conference.  The Rams were 3-53 over their final 7 seasons in the IIAC.  I'm still torn over if it was a smart decision to keep their investment the same and make a change back to the Midwest Conference or if Cornell should have put in a little more effort to become competitive in the IIAC.  If Coe can make it work, Cornell should have been able to as well.

I agree with you in that I hate seeing a team essentially quit because they weren't good enough, but in cornells case, they weren't even close to competing and there didn't seem to be any light in the end of the tunnel

It's nice to see them win in the MWC. I think they could've won some games in the IIAC this year. I don't really agree with the statement of them not even being close to competing. I think Coach B had things headed in the right direction. I'm not saying that this 2012 team would be fighting for a IIAC championship but the program as a whole has improved as far as recruiting and performing on the field.

Can I ask what your basing this off of? I mean every year its the same pattern: win a game or two in the non-conference then get throttled in conference....hell their last game was 77-7! doesn't seem like they made any progress whatsoever.

(and before you say, "well they brought in many more recruits than normal", do you think that had anything to with them telling thier recruits they were leaving for a much easier conference? I sure do.)

Actually their last game against an IIAC opponent was this year against Coe ..34-14 I believe. I think anybody(including Coach Staker) that was at the Coe vs Cornell game this year will tell you that isn't the same Cornell team as last  year or even the past 10 years.  Anyway, this is Coach B's 3rd year with the program and if you look at where the program was 3 years ago to where it is now you can see the improvements being made. Rome wasn't built in a day!! The program was in bad bad shape when he took over. You really think kids decided to go there because they used a recruiting pitch that said hey we are going to an easier conference?? Coach B and his staff are proven recruiters...they started bringing in more kids as soon as they got there before they knew they were heading to the MWC.

[notlongago]

Cornell is now sitting at 3-2 in conference play over in the Midwest Conference.  The Rams were 3-53 over their final 7 seasons in the IIAC.  I'm still torn over if it was a smart decision to keep their investment the same and make a change back to the Midwest Conference or if Cornell should have put in a little more effort to become competitive in the IIAC.  If Coe can make it work, Cornell should have been able to as well.

I agree with you in that I hate seeing a team essentially quit because they weren't good enough, but in cornells case, they weren't even close to competing and there didn't seem to be any light in the end of the tunnel

It's nice to see them win in the MWC. I think they could've won some games in the IIAC this year. I don't really agree with the statement of them not even being close to competing. I think Coach B had things headed in the right direction. I'm not saying that this 2012 team would be fighting for a IIAC championship but the program as a whole has improved as far as recruiting and performing on the field.

Can I ask what your basing this off of? I mean every year its the same pattern: win a game or two in the non-conference then get throttled in conference....hell their last game was 77-7! doesn't seem like they made any progress whatsoever.

(and before you say, "well they brought in many more recruits than normal", do you think that had anything to with them telling thier recruits they were leaving for a much easier conference? I sure do.)

Actually their last game against an IIAC opponent was this year against Coe ..34-14 I believe. I think anybody(including Coach Staker) that was at the Coe vs Cornell game this year will tell you that isn't the same Cornell team as last  year or even the past 10 years.  Anyway, this is Coach B's 3rd year with the program and if you look at where the program was 3 years ago to where it is now you can see the improvements being made. Rome wasn't built in a day!! The program was in bad bad shape when he took over. You really think kids decided to go there because they used a recruiting pitch that said hey we are going to an easier conference?? Coach B and his staff are proven recruiters...they started bringing in more kids as soon as they got there before they knew they were heading to the MWC.

Yes I certainly do...Many kids would be drawn to the academic side of cornell, but not want to deal with getting beat bad multiple times per year, so the idea that would be competitive week in and week out sure makes cornell look more appealing.

[CaliRamRL6]

Cornell is now sitting at 3-2 in conference play over in the Midwest Conference.  The Rams were 3-53 over their final 7 seasons in the IIAC.  I'm still torn over if it was a smart decision to keep their investment the same and make a change back to the Midwest Conference or if Cornell should have put in a little more effort to become competitive in the IIAC.  If Coe can make it work, Cornell should have been able to as well.

I agree with you in that I hate seeing a team essentially quit because they weren't good enough, but in cornells case, they weren't even close to competing and there didn't seem to be any light in the end of the tunnel

It's nice to see them win in the MWC. I think they could've won some games in the IIAC this year. I don't really agree with the statement of them not even being close to competing. I think Coach B had things headed in the right direction. I'm not saying that this 2012 team would be fighting for a IIAC championship but the program as a whole has improved as far as recruiting and performing on the field.

Can I ask what your basing this off of? I mean every year its the same pattern: win a game or two in the non-conference then get throttled in conference....hell their last game was 77-7! doesn't seem like they made any progress whatsoever.

(and before you say, "well they brought in many more recruits than normal", do you think that had anything to with them telling thier recruits they were leaving for a much easier conference? I sure do.)

I would never base recruiting success strictly on numbers. You can bring in 50 scrubs and all that means is you have 50 more people to fill out a uniform. I'm talking about bringing in some quality athletes that actually can play against IIAC players.

For anyone watching Cornell games in previous years (Dillon era), you can see players quit during the game. It sucks to admit it but it's the truth. That isn't competing. The score isn't the only indicator of whether a team is competitive during the 4 quarters that were played. Brautigam is changing the culture in that program and implementing his own style of things. When you inherit a program like that, you won't see success the following year. It takes a little time. I'm not making excuses. I'm just a biased Cornell fan that's stating my opinion.

[badgerwarhawk]

Cornell is now sitting at 3-2 in conference play over in the Midwest Conference.  The Rams were 3-53 over their final 7 seasons in the IIAC.  I'm still torn over if it was a smart decision to keep their investment the same and make a change back to the Midwest Conference or if Cornell should have put in a little more effort to become competitive in the IIAC.  If Coe can make it work, Cornell should have been able to as well.

I agree with you in that I hate seeing a team essentially quit because they weren't good enough, but in cornells case, they weren't even close to competing and there didn't seem to be any light in the end of the tunnel

It's nice to see them win in the MWC. I think they could've won some games in the IIAC this year. I don't really agree with the statement of them not even being close to competing. I think Coach B had things headed in the right direction. I'm not saying that this 2012 team would be fighting for a IIAC championship but the program as a whole has improved as far as recruiting and performing on the field.

Can I ask what your basing this off of? I mean every year its the same pattern: win a game or two in the non-conference then get throttled in conference....hell their last game was 77-7! doesn't seem like they made any progress whatsoever.

(and before you say, "well they brought in many more recruits than normal", do you think that had anything to with them telling thier recruits they were leaving for a much easier conference? I sure do.)

Actually their last game against an IIAC opponent was this year against Coe ..34-14 I believe. I think anybody(including Coach Staker) that was at the Coe vs Cornell game this year will tell you that isn't the same Cornell team as last  year or even the past 10 years.  Anyway, this is Coach B's 3rd year with the program and if you look at where the program was 3 years ago to where it is now you can see the improvements being made. Rome wasn't built in a day!! The program was in bad bad shape when he took over. You really think kids decided to go there because they used a recruiting pitch that said hey we are going to an easier conference?? Coach B and his staff are proven recruiters...they started bringing in more kids as soon as they got there before they knew they were heading to the MWC.

I don't know anything about Cornell's recruiting but what kind of athletes would you attract if your selling point was "we're moving to an easier conference?"  I don't think many high school athletes looking to play collegiately, even at the DIII level, are going to buy into that pitch so it makes it difficult for me to believe any coach serious about recruiting talent would use it.  JMO 

[Ash Park]

Cornell is now sitting at 3-2 in conference play over in the Midwest Conference.  The Rams were 3-53 over their final 7 seasons in the IIAC.  I'm still torn over if it was a smart decision to keep their investment the same and make a change back to the Midwest Conference or if Cornell should have put in a little more effort to become competitive in the IIAC.  If Coe can make it work, Cornell should have been able to as well.

I agree with you in that I hate seeing a team essentially quit because they weren't good enough, but in cornells case, they weren't even close to competing and there didn't seem to be any light in the end of the tunnel

It's nice to see them win in the MWC. I think they could've won some games in the IIAC this year. I don't really agree with the statement of them not even being close to competing. I think Coach B had things headed in the right direction. I'm not saying that this 2012 team would be fighting for a IIAC championship but the program as a whole has improved as far as recruiting and performing on the field.

Can I ask what your basing this off of? I mean every year its the same pattern: win a game or two in the non-conference then get throttled in conference....hell their last game was 77-7! doesn't seem like they made any progress whatsoever.

(and before you say, "well they brought in many more recruits than normal", do you think that had anything to with them telling thier recruits they were leaving for a much easier conference? I sure do.)

Actually their last game against an IIAC opponent was this year against Coe ..34-14 I believe. I think anybody(including Coach Staker) that was at the Coe vs Cornell game this year will tell you that isn't the same Cornell team as last  year or even the past 10 years.  Anyway, this is Coach B's 3rd year with the program and if you look at where the program was 3 years ago to where it is now you can see the improvements being made. Rome wasn't built in a day!! The program was in bad bad shape when he took over. You really think kids decided to go there because they used a recruiting pitch that said hey we are going to an easier conference?? Coach B and his staff are proven recruiters...they started bringing in more kids as soon as they got there before they knew they were heading to the MWC.

I don't know anything about Cornell's recruiting but what kind of athletes would you attract if your selling point was "we're moving to an easier conference?"  I don't think many high school athletes looking to play collegiately, even at the DIII level, are going to buy into that pitch so it makes it difficult for me to believe any coach serious about recruiting talent would use it.  JMO

Exactly!

[doolittledog]

Recruiting pitches...

We have a winning tradition, excellent facilities, our academics are top notch, we'd really love to see you wearing our uniform!

We're building something big here, and we'd love to have you be a part of bringing our program up to the next level. 

We suck now...but just wait until next season when we water down the competition!!!

We have hot cheerleaders with morally casual attitudes 

I'm sorry, did you just drop this Rolex???

[warthog]

Before we make too much of Cornell's football rise from the ashes (an obvious reference to Ash Park), lets look at these three conference wins they've put together.

In the past five seasons Knox, Beloit, and Lawrence have combined for a sparkling 31-109 record.  Taking out the games they've played against one another (15-15) they are breezing along at a 16-94 pace.  Combined they are winning 14.5% of the games they play when not going against one another

The three schools have won four non-conference games during this period.  The wins have come against Eureka, Minnesota Morris, and MacMurray, not exactly football powers.