FB: American Rivers Conference

[D3Dutchman]

I guess I have higher regard for the west coast teams than many of my IIAC brothers and sisters.  Over recent years I've had the opportunity to observe some games out there (Linfield, Willamette, Pac Lutheran).  As a group (especially Linfield), I think they operate at a different level.  If you go further back (10+ years) I witnessed a couple very good Wartburg teams get steam rollered by Pac Lutheran and Linfield (2003 Wartburg held their own against Linfield).  For now, the west coast probably deserves the positive attention they are receiving.

Yeah, the teams from out west are no joke.  I often think of one that got away against PLU in Pella in the second round of the playoffs.  I would say that Lute team was on par with the upper tier teams in the IIAC that year.  I don't remember exactly how that went, but either PLU or Whitworth squeaked in the playoffs past Wartburg that year.  Certainly didn't shed a tear for the Knights at that time, but looking back that was really a travesty.  Wartburg was by far the superior team to PLU that year...who barely beat Whitworth in the first round.  If's and but's I guess...anywho, Coe is obviously paying the price for a relatively weak IIAC this year. 

[AZDutchman]

I posted previously about meeting anyone that would be at the Wartburg game.

There's a problem with my email on the D3 site. I tested it by sending myself an email and it didn't work properly. I did receive some emails and tried to respond, but it was undeliverable. Then I looked in my in box on the D3 site and they weren't there.  I also tried to send directly to the actual emails and that didn't work either.

Bottom line...It's too late to try to get my email/D3 account corrected before the game. I hope to run into some of you at the game. I don't know how things are set up before the games. I would have to assume that the Wartburg tailgates will be much larger than the Central ones. 

[Willie University]

I guess I have higher regard for the west coast teams than many of my IIAC brothers and sisters.  Over recent years I've had the opportunity to observe some games out there (Linfield, Willamette, Pac Lutheran).  As a group (especially Linfield), I think they operate at a different level.  If you go further back (10+ years) I witnessed a couple very good Wartburg teams get steam rollered by Pac Lutheran and Linfield (2003 Wartburg held their own against Linfield).  For now, the west coast probably deserves the positive attention they are receiving.

Yeah, the teams from out west are no joke.  I often think of one that got away against PLU in Pella in the second round of the playoffs.  I would say that Lute team was on par with the upper tier teams in the IIAC that year.  I don't remember exactly how that went, but either PLU or Whitworth squeaked in the playoffs past Wartburg that year.  Certainly didn't shed a tear for the Knights at that time, but looking back that was really a travesty.  Wartburg was by far the superior team to PLU that year...who barely beat Whitworth in the first round.  If's and but's I guess...anywho, Coe is obviously paying the price for a relatively weak IIAC this year.

Weak only compared to about 5-6 D3 conferences, 5 of our schools would still walk through a majority of D3 conferences.

[AZDutchman]

x  grill
x  propane cylinders
x  match lighter
x  grill utensils
x  knight head
x  black/orange Oreoes
x  orange Koozie cups
x  orange tub
x  orange plates and dinnerware
x  folding chairs
x  orange/black flag
x  brats, hotdogs & buns
x  beer
x  bail money

I came across this Warburg Tailgating Check List in an old post.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but they shouldn't have to worry about bail money in Pella.
The Pella police keep the keys for the jail outside the cell for the town drunk...don't they? 


"Warthog, you know there's no tailgating in Pella"

[Pat Coleman]

I guess I have higher regard for the west coast teams than many of my IIAC brothers and sisters.  Over recent years I've had the opportunity to observe some games out there (Linfield, Willamette, Pac Lutheran).  As a group (especially Linfield), I think they operate at a different level.  If you go further back (10+ years) I witnessed a couple very good Wartburg teams get steam rollered by Pac Lutheran and Linfield (2003 Wartburg held their own against Linfield).  For now, the west coast probably deserves the positive attention they are receiving.

Yeah, the teams from out west are no joke.  I often think of one that got away against PLU in Pella in the second round of the playoffs.  I would say that Lute team was on par with the upper tier teams in the IIAC that year.  I don't remember exactly how that went, but either PLU or Whitworth squeaked in the playoffs past Wartburg that year.  Certainly didn't shed a tear for the Knights at that time, but looking back that was really a travesty.  Wartburg was by far the superior team to PLU that year...who barely beat Whitworth in the first round.  If's and but's I guess...anywho, Coe is obviously paying the price for a relatively weak IIAC this year.

Weak only compared to about 5-6 D3 conferences, 5 of our schools would still walk through a majority of D3 conferences.

Uhh ... that's a little bit optimistic. Maybe three of your schools would walk through almost half of D3 conferences.

[Fannosaurus Rex]

Nice article about Trevor Castle, "The Voice Of The Dutch" on the Central Athletics web site.  Didn't he used to post on here?  Anyway, I'm looking forward to hearing plenty of, "Castle's rumbling "TOUCH-dowwwnnn Central!" tomorrow.

[notlongago]

I guess I have higher regard for the west coast teams than many of my IIAC brothers and sisters.  Over recent years I've had the opportunity to observe some games out there (Linfield, Willamette, Pac Lutheran).  As a group (especially Linfield), I think they operate at a different level.  If you go further back (10+ years) I witnessed a couple very good Wartburg teams get steam rollered by Pac Lutheran and Linfield (2003 Wartburg held their own against Linfield).  For now, the west coast probably deserves the positive attention they are receiving.

Yeah, the teams from out west are no joke.  I often think of one that got away against PLU in Pella in the second round of the playoffs.  I would say that Lute team was on par with the upper tier teams in the IIAC that year.  I don't remember exactly how that went, but either PLU or Whitworth squeaked in the playoffs past Wartburg that year.  Certainly didn't shed a tear for the Knights at that time, but looking back that was really a travesty.  Wartburg was by far the superior team to PLU that year...who barely beat Whitworth in the first round.  If's and but's I guess...anywho, Coe is obviously paying the price for a relatively weak IIAC this year.

Weak only compared to about 5-6 D3 conferences, 5 of our schools would still walk through a majority of D3 conferences.

Uhh ... that's a little bit optimistic. Maybe three of your schools would walk through almost half of D3 conferences.

And that's probably a little pessimistic. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle of these two posts.

[Pat Coleman]

Tally up for me the conferences that Central and Buena Vista would walk through. You need 14 for a majority.

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2012/ranking-the-conferences

[DutchFan2004]

I guess I have higher regard for the west coast teams than many of my IIAC brothers and sisters.  Over recent years I've had the opportunity to observe some games out there (Linfield, Willamette, Pac Lutheran).  As a group (especially Linfield), I think they operate at a different level.  If you go further back (10+ years) I witnessed a couple very good Wartburg teams get steam rollered by Pac Lutheran and Linfield (2003 Wartburg held their own against Linfield).  For now, the west coast probably deserves the positive attention they are receiving.

Yeah, the teams from out west are no joke.  I often think of one that got away against PLU in Pella in the second round of the playoffs.  I would say that Lute team was on par with the upper tier teams in the IIAC that year.  I don't remember exactly how that went, but either PLU or Whitworth squeaked in the playoffs past Wartburg that year.  Certainly didn't shed a tear for the Knights at that time, but looking back that was really a travesty.  Wartburg was by far the superior team to PLU that year...who barely beat Whitworth in the first round.  If's and but's I guess...anywho, Coe is obviously paying the price for a relatively weak IIAC this year.

Weak only compared to about 5-6 D3 conferences, 5 of our schools would still walk through a majority of D3 conferences.

Uhh ... that's a little bit optimistic. Maybe three of your schools would walk through almost half of D3 conferences.

And that's probably a little pessimistic. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle of these two posts.

I think Pat is correct and more knowledgable about D3 as a whole.  You want to argue about 1 Team?  If I read it right you are saying the real number is between 4 and 4.5 since 3+5-6 is 8 or 9 and since you can't have half of a team the number you are in disagreement over is 1.  At 4-4 and in 4th place I would not say the Dutch would dominate half of the D3 conferences.  Central did not dominate the MIAA this year losing to Albion.  I would call that conference a middle to lower football conference. 

[DutchFan2004]

Just take the ranking and use it as motivation.

Well said.  The only thing that matters is winning.  If you don't go 5-0 in playoffs you don't win the championship.  It will be what it will be. 

I agree that the West Coast teams are good teams.  The problem I see is that when the West Coast teams come East they are not used to the weather and suffer from the cold.

[wartknight]

x  grill
x  propane cylinders
x  match lighter
x  grill utensils
x  knight head
x  black/orange Oreoes
x  orange Koozie cups
x  orange tub
x  orange plates and dinnerware
x  folding chairs
x  orange/black flag
x  brats, hotdogs & buns
x  beer
x  bail money

I came across this Warburg Tailgating Check List in an old post.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but they shouldn't have to worry about bail money in Pella.
The Pella police keep the keys for the jail outside the cell for the town drunk...don't they? 


"Warthog, you know there's no tailgating in Pella"

AZD - that is pretty good!

I found this Central Tailgating List from an old post also.

x Go to Wartburg Tailgate

[d-train]

Yeah, the teams from out west are no joke.  I often think of one that got away against PLU in Pella in the second round of the playoffs.  I would say that Lute team was on par with the upper tier teams in the IIAC that year.  I don't remember exactly how that went, but either PLU or Whitworth squeaked in the playoffs past Wartburg that year.  Certainly didn't shed a tear for the Knights at that time, but looking back that was really a travesty.  Wartburg was by far the superior team to PLU that year...who barely beat Whitworth in the first round.  If's and but's I guess...anywho, Coe is obviously paying the price for a relatively weak IIAC this year.

Yeah, that '01 PLU was a couple of notches down from the '99 Lutes and/or the more recent Linfield teams.  Just to clarify, PLU was awarded a Pool B bid in '01 and was not chosen 'over' Wartburg - you'd have to look up the last team or two that got a Pool C bid that year.  The NWC didn't have an automatic bid until '08, and Pool B teams were not allowed to earn a Pool C 'runner-up/at large' bid until very recently.  But yes, the NWC got two Pool B bids a few times.   

[notlongago]

Tally up for me the conferences that Central and Buena Vista would walk through. You need 14 for a majority.

http://www.d3football.com/columns/around-the-nation/2012/ranking-the-conferences

No I don't because I said they probably can't walk through the majority, but they(central and BV) would probably win 10-12 conferences.

[notlongago]

I guess I have higher regard for the west coast teams than many of my IIAC brothers and sisters.  Over recent years I've had the opportunity to observe some games out there (Linfield, Willamette, Pac Lutheran).  As a group (especially Linfield), I think they operate at a different level.  If you go further back (10+ years) I witnessed a couple very good Wartburg teams get steam rollered by Pac Lutheran and Linfield (2003 Wartburg held their own against Linfield).  For now, the west coast probably deserves the positive attention they are receiving.

Yeah, the teams from out west are no joke.  I often think of one that got away against PLU in Pella in the second round of the playoffs.  I would say that Lute team was on par with the upper tier teams in the IIAC that year.  I don't remember exactly how that went, but either PLU or Whitworth squeaked in the playoffs past Wartburg that year.  Certainly didn't shed a tear for the Knights at that time, but looking back that was really a travesty.  Wartburg was by far the superior team to PLU that year...who barely beat Whitworth in the first round.  If's and but's I guess...anywho, Coe is obviously paying the price for a relatively weak IIAC this year.

Weak only compared to about 5-6 D3 conferences, 5 of our schools would still walk through a majority of D3 conferences.

Uhh ... that's a little bit optimistic. Maybe three of your schools would walk through almost half of D3 conferences.

And that's probably a little pessimistic. The truth probably lies somewhere in the middle of these two posts.

I think Pat is correct and more knowledgable about D3 as a whole.  You want to argue about 1 Team?  If I read it right you are saying the real number is between 4 and 4.5 since 3+5-6 is 8 or 9 and since you can't have half of a team the number you are in disagreement over is 1.  At 4-4 and in 4th place I would not say the Dutch would dominate half of the D3 conferences.  Central did not dominate the MIAA this year losing to Albion.  I would call that conference a middle to lower football conference.

You must have misunderstood my post, sorry for making you do math. I meant that the top 4-5 of the IIAC couldn't win half or more of the conferences, but they probably could win 10-12 of them.

[d-train]

^ Nice hedging and backpeddling mister...