FB: American Rivers Conference

[doolittledog]

For the sake of argument.  As that is pretty much what a message board is about. 

Dubuque could make a case for "best of the rest" as the only team of the "next 5" to give Coe a battle.  Taking Coe to 2OT and scoring more points in regulation time than the other 4 teams combined.

Wartburg could make a case for "best of the rest" as the only team to get a blowout win against 1 of the other 4 teams.  Winning @ BVU 42-21. Wartburg also played 3 of the 4 teams on the road.   

Simpson is the only other team to get a road victory, winning at Pella 21-18, and they also played 3 of the 4 teams on the road. 

BVU and Central had 3 home games against the other 4 and each lost 1 of those.

Dubuque played 2 at home and 2 on the road. 

In my mind, Dubuque and Wartburg have the best arguments.  Not that it really matters...but...this is a message board. 

Next season Wartburg and Simpson will get 3 of the 4 at home.  Wartburg will also get Coe in Waverly.  While Simpson will be in Cedar Rapids.  BVU and Central get to hit the road for 3 of the 4.  Central and BVU will get Coe at their places. 

   

[putmeincoach]

...of the teams that finished out of second place I'm gonna go with Loras as they beat Luther

[putmeincoach]

good first round draw for the Kohawks and a home game too!  good luck

[hazzben]

good draw for the Kohawks and a home game too!  good luck

That is a pretty nice draw. Looks like they're the '4' seed. May be seeing another MIAC v. IIAC playoff matchup

[NewKnightDad]

So are we tailgating at the Homeport Saturday?

[Willie University]

Wow BV up on UD at UD 21-10 at end of 3rd.  Is that the same UD that is the almost best team in the conference?   Might be at least a partial serving of crow coming up.     Open wide, Willie.   

Yes, Klompen, you can have my serving of crow this evening for this post  Had BV won, they would have been in 2nd place all alone but yes, the spartans took down the same team that did in central.

Look, you all are taking what I am saying out of perspective. In my OPINION (which is what these postboards are for), the Spartans were clearly the best of the "rest". Losses are losses, I get that so no need for a book about it. Not making excuses for anything. The Spartans were the ONLY 2nd place team to A.) Almost beat Coe- rest of the conference got DOMINATED (debate that ) B.) Blew LEADS in the final minutes of play against Coe and Wartburg were how many other teams can look at their losses and were winning or tied in the final minutes of play and not coming from behind???  C.) BTW, Both games that should have been won by the Spartans IMHO, D.) The FLUKE of the tipped pass returned for a TD against central in which BTW, the Spartans were going to take a 7 point lead late in the 4th and the refs didn't want to have the Championship team brought back for homecoming hunting them down for throwing a flag on the play  ; E.) Again, most of the those games the Spartans were in control, leading in stats or scores.

So, based on that evidence, I BELIEVE IN MY OPINION, that they were the Best of the Rest. Am I happy or satisfied about that, heck no. I wish we would have beat them all and were playing in the playoffs next week but we are not, so, as much as it hurts me to do so, I will cheer for another IIAC team to represent the conference well and earn us some respect. And after that is done, It's back to the Spartans being the best and winning the IIAC next year!!! And of course Central having another mediocre season 

Peace out, I am hunting deer tomorrow, not crow!!! 

Willie U

Wading through all the asinine comments in this post, I saw one in particular I was hoping you could elaborate on. How is central housing a pick a fluke? Central led the conference in picks by 4 (20 vs coes 16)and led in pick return yardage by an average of nearly 14 yards Per return(22.9 vs. 9.3)...how can being the best at something constitute being a fluke when it is common practice?

Every comment you come up with is asinine. However, it's a fluke because it was tipped and that is why it was intercepted. Not like the defender made a great read on the ball. He caught the ball that was tipped to him. Not saying it wasn't a great defensive play but YES it was a fluke that had it not been tipped, the spartans most likely would have scored and obviously had a great chance of holding on to win.

On to the playoffs, I think a great bracket where Coe has a shot to go far IMHO.

[notlongago]

Wow BV up on UD at UD 21-10 at end of 3rd.  Is that the same UD that is the almost best team in the conference?   Might be at least a partial serving of crow coming up.     Open wide, Willie.   

Yes, Klompen, you can have my serving of crow this evening for this post  Had BV won, they would have been in 2nd place all alone but yes, the spartans took down the same team that did in central.

Look, you all are taking what I am saying out of perspective. In my OPINION (which is what these postboards are for), the Spartans were clearly the best of the "rest". Losses are losses, I get that so no need for a book about it. Not making excuses for anything. The Spartans were the ONLY 2nd place team to A.) Almost beat Coe- rest of the conference got DOMINATED (debate that ) B.) Blew LEADS in the final minutes of play against Coe and Wartburg were how many other teams can look at their losses and were winning or tied in the final minutes of play and not coming from behind???  C.) BTW, Both games that should have been won by the Spartans IMHO, D.) The FLUKE of the tipped pass returned for a TD against central in which BTW, the Spartans were going to take a 7 point lead late in the 4th and the refs didn't want to have the Championship team brought back for homecoming hunting them down for throwing a flag on the play  ; E.) Again, most of the those games the Spartans were in control, leading in stats or scores.

So, based on that evidence, I BELIEVE IN MY OPINION, that they were the Best of the Rest. Am I happy or satisfied about that, heck no. I wish we would have beat them all and were playing in the playoffs next week but we are not, so, as much as it hurts me to do so, I will cheer for another IIAC team to represent the conference well and earn us some respect. And after that is done, It's back to the Spartans being the best and winning the IIAC next year!!! And of course Central having another mediocre season 

Peace out, I am hunting deer tomorrow, not crow!!! 

Willie U

Wading through all the asinine comments in this post, I saw one in particular I was hoping you could elaborate on. How is central housing a pick a fluke? Central led the conference in picks by 4 (20 vs coes 16)and led in pick return yardage by an average of nearly 14 yards Per return(22.9 vs. 9.3)...how can being the best at something constitute being a fluke when it is common practice?

Every comment you come up with is asinine. However, it's a fluke because it was tipped and that is why it was intercepted. Not like the defender made a great read on the ball. He caught the ball that was tipped to him. Not saying it wasn't a great defensive play but YES it was a fluke that had it not been tipped, the spartans most likely would have scored and obviously had a great chance of holding on to win.

On to the playoffs, I think a great bracket where Coe has a shot to go far IMHO.

Hahaha...keep shoveling. I'm still fundraising for that "best team that happened to have as many conference loses as 4 other teams" trophy, but I'll keep you in the loop

[notlongago]

Back on topic, Coe really pulled a good draw and has a great opportunity to help the iiac salvage something after that non conference showing and embarrassing playoff appearance last season.

[Purple Heys]

One sobering note is that Cornell played the Kohawks tougher than any IIAC team played them.  It is time to break up the Rams, they're getting too good.

Ding Ding Ding!  We have a winner!   

[Purple Heys]

I would imagine a 4-6 season in the overall scheme of things is a welcome relief for many folks on the Hilltop.

I would wager that Coach B is NOT one of them.  Against the better teams in the MWC, the Rams still had that same habit of playing it close but not quite getting over the hump.  Something that the overall better quality teams in the IIAC were almost always able to take advantage of.

I think that next year is the true critical point in Coach B's tenure.  He'll have a school record setting senior QB with 3 years under his belt as a starter.  Most all of the key skill contributors are back.  Having played it close with Monmouth, St. Norb's, and IC (for about 3 qtrs.), the Rams need to step out of that habit of not making plays in tight games against good competition.  Next year is the year to see if they have that figured out under Coach B.

Oh and congrats to the 'Hacks.

[NewKnightDad]

Wow BV up on UD at UD 21-10 at end of 3rd.  Is that the same UD that is the almost best team in the conference?   Might be at least a partial serving of crow coming up.     Open wide, Willie.   

Yes, Klompen, you can have my serving of crow this evening for this post  Had BV won, they would have been in 2nd place all alone but yes, the spartans took down the same team that did in central.

Look, you all are taking what I am saying out of perspective. In my OPINION (which is what these postboards are for), the Spartans were clearly the best of the "rest". Losses are losses, I get that so no need for a book about it. Not making excuses for anything. The Spartans were the ONLY 2nd place team to A.) Almost beat Coe- rest of the conference got DOMINATED (debate that ) B.) Blew LEADS in the final minutes of play against Coe and Wartburg were how many other teams can look at their losses and were winning or tied in the final minutes of play and not coming from behind???  C.) BTW, Both games that should have been won by the Spartans IMHO, D.) The FLUKE of the tipped pass returned for a TD against central in which BTW, the Spartans were going to take a 7 point lead late in the 4th and the refs didn't want to have the Championship team brought back for homecoming hunting them down for throwing a flag on the play  ; E.) Again, most of the those games the Spartans were in control, leading in stats or scores.

So, based on that evidence, I BELIEVE IN MY OPINION, that they were the Best of the Rest. Am I happy or satisfied about that, heck no. I wish we would have beat them all and were playing in the playoffs next week but we are not, so, as much as it hurts me to do so, I will cheer for another IIAC team to represent the conference well and earn us some respect. And after that is done, It's back to the Spartans being the best and winning the IIAC next year!!! And of course Central having another mediocre season 

Peace out, I am hunting deer tomorrow, not crow!!! 

Willie U

Wading through all the asinine comments in this post, I saw one in particular I was hoping you could elaborate on. How is central housing a pick a fluke? Central led the conference in picks by 4 (20 vs coes 16)and led in pick return yardage by an average of nearly 14 yards Per return(22.9 vs. 9.3)...how can being the best at something constitute being a fluke when it is common practice?

Every comment you come up with is asinine. However, it's a fluke because it was tipped and that is why it was intercepted. Not like the defender made a great read on the ball. He caught the ball that was tipped to him. Not saying it wasn't a great defensive play but YES it was a fluke that had it not been tipped, the spartans most likely would have scored and obviously had a great chance of holding on to win.

On to the playoffs, I think a great bracket where Coe has a shot to go far IMHO.

Again not my argument but I am betting teams still work on tip drills in practice as it is a huge opportunity when it happens and teams need to be able to capitalize on it.

You all can have your best of the rest, we will work on being better next year.

[notlongago]

Wow BV up on UD at UD 21-10 at end of 3rd.  Is that the same UD that is the almost best team in the conference?   Might be at least a partial serving of crow coming up.     Open wide, Willie.   

Yes, Klompen, you can have my serving of crow this evening for this post  Had BV won, they would have been in 2nd place all alone but yes, the spartans took down the same team that did in central.

Look, you all are taking what I am saying out of perspective. In my OPINION (which is what these postboards are for), the Spartans were clearly the best of the "rest". Losses are losses, I get that so no need for a book about it. Not making excuses for anything. The Spartans were the ONLY 2nd place team to A.) Almost beat Coe- rest of the conference got DOMINATED (debate that ) B.) Blew LEADS in the final minutes of play against Coe and Wartburg were how many other teams can look at their losses and were winning or tied in the final minutes of play and not coming from behind???  C.) BTW, Both games that should have been won by the Spartans IMHO, D.) The FLUKE of the tipped pass returned for a TD against central in which BTW, the Spartans were going to take a 7 point lead late in the 4th and the refs didn't want to have the Championship team brought back for homecoming hunting them down for throwing a flag on the play  ; E.) Again, most of the those games the Spartans were in control, leading in stats or scores.

So, based on that evidence, I BELIEVE IN MY OPINION, that they were the Best of the Rest. Am I happy or satisfied about that, heck no. I wish we would have beat them all and were playing in the playoffs next week but we are not, so, as much as it hurts me to do so, I will cheer for another IIAC team to represent the conference well and earn us some respect. And after that is done, It's back to the Spartans being the best and winning the IIAC next year!!! And of course Central having another mediocre season 

Peace out, I am hunting deer tomorrow, not crow!!! 

Willie U

Wading through all the asinine comments in this post, I saw one in particular I was hoping you could elaborate on. How is central housing a pick a fluke? Central led the conference in picks by 4 (20 vs coes 16)and led in pick return yardage by an average of nearly 14 yards Per return(22.9 vs. 9.3)...how can being the best at something constitute being a fluke when it is common practice?

Every comment you come up with is asinine. However, it's a fluke because it was tipped and that is why it was intercepted. Not like the defender made a great read on the ball. He caught the ball that was tipped to him. Not saying it wasn't a great defensive play but YES it was a fluke that had it not been tipped, the spartans most likely would have scored and obviously had a great chance of holding on to win.

On to the playoffs, I think a great bracket where Coe has a shot to go far IMHO.

Again not my argument but I am betting teams still work on tip drills in practice as it is a huge opportunity when it happens and teams need to be able to capitalize on it.

You all can have your best of the rest, we will work on being better next year.

I think the only person trying to figure out the second best is Willie U...most rational people understand that anyone of the 5 teams could've done things that would have put themselves in at least sole possession of second place, and have put that behind them in hopes their teams make the necessary improvements in the off season to avoid willie U polluting the boards with his garbage.

[DBQ1965]

Wow BV up on UD at UD 21-10 at end of 3rd.  Is that the same UD that is the almost best team in the conference?   Might be at least a partial serving of crow coming up.     Open wide, Willie.   

Yes, Klompen, you can have my serving of crow this evening for this post  Had BV won, they would have been in 2nd place all alone but yes, the spartans took down the same team that did in central.

Look, you all are taking what I am saying out of perspective. In my OPINION (which is what these postboards are for), the Spartans were clearly the best of the "rest". Losses are losses, I get that so no need for a book about it. Not making excuses for anything. The Spartans were the ONLY 2nd place team to A.) Almost beat Coe- rest of the conference got DOMINATED (debate that ) B.) Blew LEADS in the final minutes of play against Coe and Wartburg were how many other teams can look at their losses and were winning or tied in the final minutes of play and not coming from behind???  C.) BTW, Both games that should have been won by the Spartans IMHO, D.) The FLUKE of the tipped pass returned for a TD against central in which BTW, the Spartans were going to take a 7 point lead late in the 4th and the refs didn't want to have the Championship team brought back for homecoming hunting them down for throwing a flag on the play  ; E.) Again, most of the those games the Spartans were in control, leading in stats or scores.

So, based on that evidence, I BELIEVE IN MY OPINION, that they were the Best of the Rest. Am I happy or satisfied about that, heck no. I wish we would have beat them all and were playing in the playoffs next week but we are not, so, as much as it hurts me to do so, I will cheer for another IIAC team to represent the conference well and earn us some respect. And after that is done, It's back to the Spartans being the best and winning the IIAC next year!!! And of course Central having another mediocre season 

Peace out, I am hunting deer tomorrow, not crow!!! 

Willie U

Wading through all the asinine comments in this post, I saw one in particular I was hoping you could elaborate on. How is central housing a pick a fluke? Central led the conference in picks by 4 (20 vs coes 16)and led in pick return yardage by an average of nearly 14 yards Per return(22.9 vs. 9.3)...how can being the best at something constitute being a fluke when it is common practice?

Every comment you come up with is asinine. However, it's a fluke because it was tipped and that is why it was intercepted. Not like the defender made a great read on the ball. He caught the ball that was tipped to him. Not saying it wasn't a great defensive play but YES it was a fluke that had it not been tipped, the spartans most likely would have scored and obviously had a great chance of holding on to win.

On to the playoffs, I think a great bracket where Coe has a shot to go far IMHO.

Again not my argument but I am betting teams still work on tip drills in practice as it is a huge opportunity when it happens and teams need to be able to capitalize on it.

You all can have your best of the rest, we will work on being better next year.

I think the only person trying to figure out the second best is Willie U...most rational people understand that anyone of the 5 teams could've done things that would have put themselves in at least sole possession of second place, and have put that behind them in hopes their teams make the necessary improvements in the off season to avoid willie U polluting the boards with his garbage.

Time to move on!

[tommiegun]

In 300 words or less.  Who are the Kohawks this year (this will be graded):

[doolittledog]

In 300 words or less.  Who are the Kohawks this year (this will be graded):

Coe led the league in scoring offense, scoring defense, total offense, total defense.  Won the league by 3 games.  I can't ever recall a conference winner taking the title by more than 2 games, and a 2 game margin is pretty rare.