FB: American Rivers Conference

[doolittledog]

DD,

I am not so sure about your statement about a 4-3 IIAC team would be a 4-3 team in the CCIW.  Millikin was not a push over this year as they went to OT with IW and Elmhurst and could have won both games but didn't.  IW had some pretty big injuries as was mentioned late in the season.  I am guessing that Central if it was in the CCIW this year would have seen the streak end.  I don't see Simpson or BV winning 4 in the CCIW.  Carthage was no powerhouse this year but not a Cornell either.

Well Auggie went 4-3 in the CCIW this year.  Maybe they caught teams at the right time...but still, I'm pointing out that a team that went 4-3 in the CCIW this year had losses to 2 teams that went 4-3 in the IIAC.  I'm not saying the IIAC is stronger...I'm just saying it's not time to take the IIAC to the vet and have her put down. 

Again...in bold...I believe the CCIW is a strong conference...easy to argue the CCIW is stronger than the IIAC.

I'm just saying the CCIW co-champion beat the IIAC champion by 3 points...not a big deal.

I'm just saying a team that went 4-3 in the CCIW this year (Augustana) has losses to 2 teams that went 4-3 in the IIAC this year...not a big deal. 

If Augustana could go 4-3 in the CCIW, I see no reason to believe that one of the teams that went 4-3 in the IIAC could not have done the same in the CCIW this year...especially when you consider Auggie lost to 2 of those IIAC teams that went 4-3.  I'm not saying every IIAC team that went 4-3 would have done the same in the CCIW, but I don't see why someone would think it was impossible. 

We need to get over our inferiority complex we've had lately.  The talk on here makes it seem like North Park would have their starters pulled by halftime against the best the IIAC has to offer. 

[NewKnightDad]

DD,

I am not so sure about your statement about a 4-3 IIAC team would be a 4-3 team in the CCIW.  Millikin was not a push over this year as they went to OT with IW and Elmhurst and could have won both games but didn't.  IW had some pretty big injuries as was mentioned late in the season.  I am guessing that Central if it was in the CCIW this year would have seen the streak end.  I don't see Simpson or BV winning 4 in the CCIW.  Carthage was no powerhouse this year but not a Cornell either.

Well Auggie went 4-3 in the CCIW this year.  Maybe they caught teams at the right time...but still, I'm pointing out that a team that went 4-3 in the CCIW this year had losses to 2 teams that went 4-3 in the IIAC.  I'm not saying the IIAC is stronger...I'm just saying it's not time to take the IIAC to the vet and have her put down. 

Again...in bold...I believe the CCIW is a strong conference...easy to argue the CCIW is stronger than the IIAC.

I'm just saying the CCIW co-champion beat the IIAC champion by 3 points...not a big deal.

I'm just saying a team that went 4-3 in the CCIW this year (Augustana) has losses to 2 teams that went 4-3 in the IIAC this year...not a big deal. 

If Augustana could go 4-3 in the CCIW, I see no reason to believe that one of the teams that went 4-3 in the IIAC could not have done the same in the CCIW this year...especially when you consider Auggie lost to 2 of those IIAC teams that went 4-3.  I'm not saying every IIAC team that went 4-3 would have done the same in the CCIW, but I don't see why someone would think it was impossible. 

We need to get over our inferiority complex we've had lately.  The talk on here makes it seem like North Park would have their starters pulled by halftime against the best the IIAC has to offer.

Actually I prefer South Park .   

I don't believe that any one is yelling the sky is falling but I do believe the IIAC was markedly down this year.  Many believed Coe had a great first round matchup that would get them to the second round, it didn't happen.  If we go four years in a row with a first round loss chicken little might make an appearance.

I have no idea of what Wartburg has for a non-con next year but I hope it does not include MacMurray but does include Bethel.  We need to test ourselves against good competition and leave the record setting games off the schedule.

Maybe we will have a better off season of football banter on the boards this winter?

[doolittledog]

Yeah, I get what you are saying.  There has just been a lot of talk about how our conference has fallen so far compared to other conferences in our area.  Our conference champ just went toe-to-toe with the CCIW co-champ and it was a 3 point game.  And I still don't think I am crazy for pointing out Auggie went 4-3 in the CCIW and had lost to 2 IIAC teams that went 4-3 in the IIAC this year.  But maybe I am crazy for thinking that. 

[doolittledog]

Actually I prefer South Park .   

I don't believe that any one is yelling the sky is falling but I do believe the IIAC was markedly down this year.  Many believed Coe had a great first round matchup that would get them to the second round, it didn't happen.  If we go four years in a row with a first round loss chicken little might make an appearance.

I have no idea of what Wartburg has for a non-con next year but I hope it does not include MacMurray but does include Bethel.  We need to test ourselves against good competition and leave the record setting games off the schedule.

Maybe we will have a better off season of football banter on the boards this winter?

2013 Wartburg Schedule
09/07/2013 @ MacMurray
09/14/2013 @ Bethel
09/21/2013 Carthage
09/28/2013 BYE
10/05/2013 Simpson
10/12/2013 BVU
10/19/2013 @ Luther
10/26/2013 @ Dubuque
11/02/2013 Coe
11/09/2013 Central
11/16/2013 @ Loras

[warthog]

Cogratulations to the conference teams placing in the NCAA National Cross Country meet. 

Wartburg women - 2nd 

Luther women - 14th 

Central men - 13th 

Things should be good for years to come.  Wartburg returns all five of their runners who earned points and Luther returns four runners who were point winners.

[Old Dutch]

SO, an Indiana dude and a Cornell fan are the best IIAC pickers?  Whats up with that, we're a bunch of homers all picking with our heart.  I know my 38-14 would be an easy 43-9 if Central would have run the table.  I'll bet most if not all Wartburg posters are in the same boat.  Maybe we should visit MIAC or CCIW and see how wed fair in their pick 'ems?

For the Record; as if you didn't know I'll pick the Dutch for tops in the conference.  How can you bet against a second place team with so few seniors in the starting line up?  Although, in the words of a grizzled old HS coach;  "The good news is you have a lot of veterans coming back next year!  The bad news is they're all the same kids."

To finish the exercise;
2 Wartburg,
3 COE
4 BV
5 DBQ
6 Simpson
7 Luther
8 Loras

[doolittledog]

Old Dutch and his/her picks for next year got me thinking.  Thinking I needed to look at conference stats before I could start making some guesses for next year.  So...

Conference only stats...make of it what you will...

SCORING OFFENSE    G TD FG XPT 2XP DXP Saf Points Avg/G
1. Coe College           7  43  4   36    2     0     1    312   44.6
2. Dubuque, Univ. of  7  32  8   28    1     0     0    246   35.1
3. Wartburg College   7  29  4   21    1     0     0    209    29.9
4. Central College      7  21 10  18    1      0     0    176    25.1
5. Simpson College    7  24  0   18    1      0     0    164    23.4
Buena Vista Univ.     7  23  2    20   0      0     0    164    23.4
7. Loras College         7 10  3    9    0      0     0      78    11.1
8. Luther College       7   9   3    8    1     0      0      73   10.4


SCORING DEFENSE  G TD FG XPT 2XP DXP Saf Points Avg/G
1. Coe College           7 10  3  10    0     0     0     79    11.3
2. Wartburg College   7 21  3  20    0     0     0    155    22.1
3. Central College      7 22  3  20    0     0     0    161    23.0
4. Dubuque, Univ. of  7 25  1  17    2     0     0    174    24.9
5. Simpson College    7 23  5  18    1     0     1    175    25.0
6. Luther College       7 25  3  23    0     0     0    182    26.0
7. Buena Vista Univ.  7 27  7  18    2     0     0    205    29.3
8. Loras College        7 38  9  32    2     0     0    291    41.6


TOTAL OFFENSE        G Rush Pass Plays Yards Avg/P TD Avg/G
1. Coe College           7 1420 1824 496  3244   6.5    43  463.4
2. Dubuque, Univ. of  7 1019 2172 553  3191   5.8    32  455.9
3. Wartburg College   7 1127 1699 493  2826   5.7    28  403.7
4. Simpson College    7 787   2012 521  2799   5.4    23  399.9
5. Central College      7 1309 1274 513  2583   5.0    20  369.0
6. Buena Vista Univ.  7 1021 1334 433  2355   5.4    22  336.4
7. Luther College       7 692   1346 459  2038   4.4     9  291.1
8. Loras College        7 896   1073 437   1969   4.5     9 281.3


TOTAL DEFENSE        G Rush Pass Plays Yards Avg/P TD Avg/G
1. Coe College           7  691  1313 458  2004   4.4   10  286.3
2. Wartburg College   7  539  1783 457 2322    5.1   20  331.7
3. Dubuque, Univ. of  7 1192 1283 467 2475    5.3   23  353.6
4. Central College      7  796  1760 476 2556    5.4   22  365.1
5. Luther College       7 1192 1568 514 2760    5.4   24  394.3
6. Simpson College    7 1020 1787 477 2807    5.9   23  401.0
7. Loras College        7 1561  1424 490 2985    6.1   37  426.4
8. Buena Vista Univ.  7 1280  1816 566 3096    5.5   27  442.3

Of course, now I need to know what schools return what starters and what not. 

[CaliRamRL6]

SO, an Indiana dude and a Cornell fan are the best IIAC pickers?  Whats up with that, we're a bunch of homers all picking with our heart.  I know my 38-14 would be an easy 43-9 if Central would have run the table.  I'll bet most if not all Wartburg posters are in the same boat.  Maybe we should visit MIAC or CCIW and see how wed fair in their pick 'ems?

For the Record; as if you didn't know I'll pick the Dutch for tops in the conference.  How can you bet against a second place team with so few seniors in the starting line up?  Although, in the words of a grizzled old HS coach;  "The good news is you have a lot of veterans coming back next year!  The bad news is they're all the same kids."

To finish the exercise;
2 Wartburg,
3 COE
4 BV
5 DBQ
6 Simpson
7 Luther
8 Loras

This just in... Cornell takes 2nd place in the IIAC 
We can just leave off the part about 2nd place coming from some pick-em board.

[Fannosaurus Rex]

I knew Central's 2012 team would be young and that they might struggle. I wasn't expecting them to make as many mistakes as they did and wind up 5-5.  I was looking for more like 7-3.  Then I thought 2013 would be a really outstanding year.  Now, who knows.  At least in 2013 Central should spend much less time on the bus.  Seems I heard somewhere that the 2013 schedule is just the flip of 2012, Oshkosh, Albion and BV all get to come to Pella.  Another good thing I notice, based on nothing but my unscientific reading of the homecoming program, the team seems to be becoming more geographically and ethnically diverse.  I don't know who the recruiters are I should congratulate, but I hope they keep it up and keep getting better.

[notlongago]

I knew Central's 2012 team would be young and that they might struggle. I wasn't expecting them to make as many mistakes as they did and wind up 5-5.  I was looking for more like 7-3.  Then I thought 2013 would be a really outstanding year.  Now, who knows.  At least in 2013 Central should spend much less time on the bus.  Seems I heard somewhere that the 2013 schedule is just the flip of 2012, Oshkosh, Albion and BV all get to come to Pella.  Another good thing I notice, based on nothing but my unscientific reading of the homecoming program, the team seems to be becoming more geographically and ethnically diverse.  I don't know who the recruiters are I should congratulate, but I hope they keep it up and keep getting better.

The new hire (Coleman?) is the recruiting coordinator now.

[DutchFan2004]

DD,

I am not so sure about your statement about a 4-3 IIAC team would be a 4-3 team in the CCIW.  Millikin was not a push over this year as they went to OT with IW and Elmhurst and could have won both games but didn't.  IW had some pretty big injuries as was mentioned late in the season.  I am guessing that Central if it was in the CCIW this year would have seen the streak end.  I don't see Simpson or BV winning 4 in the CCIW.  Carthage was no powerhouse this year but not a Cornell either.

Well Auggie went 4-3 in the CCIW this year.  Maybe they caught teams at the right time...but still, I'm pointing out that a team that went 4-3 in the CCIW this year had losses to 2 teams that went 4-3 in the IIAC.  I'm not saying the IIAC is stronger...I'm just saying it's not time to take the IIAC to the vet and have her put down. 

Again...in bold...I believe the CCIW is a strong conference...easy to argue the CCIW is stronger than the IIAC.

I'm just saying the CCIW co-champion beat the IIAC champion by 3 points...not a big deal.

I'm just saying a team that went 4-3 in the CCIW this year (Augustana) has losses to 2 teams that went 4-3 in the IIAC this year...not a big deal. 

If Augustana could go 4-3 in the CCIW, I see no reason to believe that one of the teams that went 4-3 in the IIAC could not have done the same in the CCIW this year...especially when you consider Auggie lost to 2 of those IIAC teams that went 4-3.  I'm not saying every IIAC team that went 4-3 would have done the same in the CCIW, but I don't see why someone would think it was impossible. 

We need to get over our inferiority complex we've had lately.  The talk on here makes it seem like North Park would have their starters pulled by halftime against the best the IIAC has to offer.

I see now.  I took what you said as saying all the 4-3 IIAC teams could do that.  I would say that there were some teams that could have done that.  I don't know which ones.  I think Augustana got lucky with the schedule for their 4-3 record.  It is my opinion and it does not change the fact that they did do it. 

[Willie University]

News just in.....UD QB and IIAC MVP Wyatt Hanus named Gagliardi finalist!

http://www.dbq.edu/udathletics/news.cfm?ID=2307&team=Football

[Pat Coleman]

News just in.....UD QB and IIAC MVP Wyatt Hanus named Gagliardi finalist!

http://www.dbq.edu/udathletics/news.cfm?ID=2307&team=Football

Yep -- on our front page as of 7 a.m. along with the list of the rest. We'll have the customary fan voting as soon as Jostens has it set up.

[DBQ1965]

Happy Thanksgiving all IIAC fans and friends.  Best wishes to you.

[doolittledog]

I will echo DBQ1965...Happy Thanksgiving to you all.