FB: American Rivers Conference

[notlongago]

Thats understandable Warthog, I see where you are coming from. I just didn't know if you had any particular reason for Loras or against BV.
Mainly trying to spark some conversations on the board, since the boards aren't very active this time of the year.

I like your thinking.

How about...
Is Coe threatening to become THE power in the conference, as opposed to part of the upper tier of the conference???

Of BVU and Simpson...which school stands the better chance of staying towards the top of the conference next season?  And why??

If neither Central or Wartburg win the conference next season...will we see some rumblings from their fan bases???

Where are the best places to get grub/drinks after games in each of the IIAC cities?

I would say we have already heard grumblings from the Central base...no one is calling for the coaches head yet, but they seem very aware of the drought they are in, and can also see where the future is going. They seem very on edge and uneasy about the future.

[Willie University]

Sept. 7 Wis.-Oshkosh PellaW Dutch dominated their 2nd String last year 
Sept. 14 Augustana (Ill.) Rock Island, Ill. W Dutch seem to have their # lately
Sept. 28 Albion (Mich.) Pella W??? No idea what Albion returns, but its Pella
Oct. 5    Dubuque Dubuque W DBQ gunna miss that QB
Oct. 12  Simpson Indianola L just a hunch
Oct. 19  Buena Vista Pella W Home advantage
Oct. 26  Luther Pella W
Nov. 2   Loras Dubuque W
Nov. 9   Wartburg Waverly L Last minute game.....again.
Nov. 16 Coe Pella W win for the conference title.

Just like Dubuque was not going to replace Jermar Jackson.
Just like Dubuque was not going to replace Colten Hansen
Just like Dubuque will not be able to replace Wyatt Hanus
Something tells me Coach Z has a few tricks up his sleeve 

We had this discussion last season, and I said without Zweifel, Central would win. They did. This season, as things stand now (several 5th year seniors returning for central, recruiting classes as they are, etc.) I am saying w/o that QB, central will again.

Come on man....enough is enough. Central won the game this year on the scoreboard, I get that. But watching the game, they got dominated by UD for the most part. UD didn't capitalize when they needed to and central had lady luck on their side with the play that I will forever title the "fluke".

And again, my opinion but take into account central playing on homecoming and 1st conference game, etc..... emotion helped lift them to victory. Had they played at UD this year, I would bet it would have been closer to the previous years game. I just wasn't impressed with central the past 2 years, sorry. They have some talent but so do 5 other teams in the conference and we are years removed from the schipper days when central was an intimidating force on the field.

But, I am looking forward to this years rematch, you bet your bottom dollar.

Willie U

[DutchFan2004]

Sept. 7 Wis.-Oshkosh PellaW Dutch dominated their 2nd String last year 
Sept. 14 Augustana (Ill.) Rock Island, Ill. W Dutch seem to have their # lately
Sept. 28 Albion (Mich.) Pella W??? No idea what Albion returns, but its Pella
Oct. 5    Dubuque Dubuque W DBQ gunna miss that QB
Oct. 12  Simpson Indianola L just a hunch
Oct. 19  Buena Vista Pella W Home advantage
Oct. 26  Luther Pella W
Nov. 2   Loras Dubuque W
Nov. 9   Wartburg Waverly L Last minute game.....again.
Nov. 16 Coe Pella W win for the conference title.

Just like Dubuque was not going to replace Jermar Jackson.
Just like Dubuque was not going to replace Colten Hansen
Just like Dubuque will not be able to replace Wyatt Hanus
Something tells me Coach Z has a few tricks up his sleeve 

We had this discussion last season, and I said without Zweifel, Central would win. They did. This season, as things stand now (several 5th year seniors returning for central, recruiting classes as they are, etc.) I am saying w/o that QB, central will again.

Replacing a player is tough enough but replacing a 3 year starter at quarterback is very tough.  The quarterback learns much more from playing time than practice time and without playing time he doesn't progress.  That said if UD can surround a new qb with some great players he can be successful.  Time will tell if he can fill Hanus' shoes.  On the surface notlonago's prediction does hold water but predictions are not always correct that is why the game is played.

[DutchFan2004]

Sept. 7 Wis.-Oshkosh PellaW Dutch dominated their 2nd String last year 
Sept. 14 Augustana (Ill.) Rock Island, Ill. W Dutch seem to have their # lately
Sept. 28 Albion (Mich.) Pella W??? No idea what Albion returns, but its Pella
Oct. 5    Dubuque Dubuque W DBQ gunna miss that QB
Oct. 12  Simpson Indianola L just a hunch
Oct. 19  Buena Vista Pella W Home advantage
Oct. 26  Luther Pella W
Nov. 2   Loras Dubuque W
Nov. 9   Wartburg Waverly L Last minute game.....again.
Nov. 16 Coe Pella W win for the conference title.

Just like Dubuque was not going to replace Jermar Jackson.
Just like Dubuque was not going to replace Colten Hansen
Just like Dubuque will not be able to replace Wyatt Hanus
Something tells me Coach Z has a few tricks up his sleeve 

We had this discussion last season, and I said without Zweifel, Central would win. They did. This season, as things stand now (several 5th year seniors returning for central, recruiting classes as they are, etc.) I am saying w/o that QB, central will again.

Come on man....enough is enough. Central won the game this year on the scoreboard, I get that. But watching the game, they got dominated by UD for the most part. UD didn't capitalize when they needed to and central had lady luck on their side with the play that I will forever title the "fluke".

And again, my opinion but take into account central playing on homecoming and 1st conference game, etc..... emotion helped lift them to victory. Had they played at UD this year, I would bet it would have been closer to the previous years game. I just wasn't impressed with central the past 2 years, sorry. They have some talent but so do 5 other teams in the conference and we are years removed from the schipper days when central was an intimidating force on the field.

But, I am looking forward to this years rematch, you bet your bottom dollar.

Willie U

Willie U,

Haven't seen the game and I doubt I ever do.  A W is a W and an L is an L.  The only stat that matters is the scoreboard at the end of the game.  Most of the Dutches games they were out gained in 2005.  They went 9-1 that year.  I am not saying Central will win the UD game haven't followed either team that closely but replacing a three year starter at qb is a very tall order.  If UD beats Central and they could it will be through the hard work of the coaches and new qb. The one thing that favors UD is they are at home for the new qb's first IIAC start.

[doolittledog]

Maybe you're both right here. 

Willie correctly points out that UD replaced all conference QB Jermar Jackson with all conference QB Colton Hansen, who was then replaced with all conference QB Wyatt Hanus.  UD fans shouldn't feel the need to crawl inside a whiskey bottle and never come back out.  History suggests there could be another great QB waiting in the wings for the Spartans.   

notlongago correctly points out that Central was able to beat UD after losing Zweifel. 

I'll point out that while UD slipped from 9-1 to 5-5 last year, the offense went right about its business, despite the loss of Zweifel.

2011 - 489.9 yards per game
2012 - 456.1 yards per game

In 2011 Hanus threw for 317.3 per game
In 2012 Hanus threw for 316.5 per game...after losing NCAA all time leading receiver Zweifel, UD career 3rd leading receiver Fleming, UD career leading rusher Spaulding.  Also the right side of the O-line graduated two 4 year starters. 

If Hanus could lose all that and come back with pretty much an identical year throwing to freshmen, sophomores and juniors with pretty much no experiance...only losing a TE to graduation, then next year with pretty much the entire receiving corp and offensive line returning should provide a soft cushion for whoever the new QB at UD is. 

Now, with all that said, maybe next year in football could be like this past year in basketball for our conference.  Last place could beat 1st place on any given night.  Who knows how it will play out.  That's why we watch the games. 

[DBQ1965]

This was posted elsewhere ...

New football rule changes.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/latest+news/2013/football+rules+committee+recommends+ejection+for+targeting+defenseless+players

Others:

To make blocks below the waist from the side and back illegal, but legal if the blocked player is facing the player blocking below the waist.
   
To add a 10-second runoff with less than a minute remaining in either half when the sole reason for the clock to stop is an injury.
   
To establish three seconds as the minimum amount of time required to be on the game clock in order to spike the ball to stop the clock. If one or two seconds remain on the clock, there is only time for the offense to run one more play.
   
To require a player that changes numbers during the game to report this to the referee, who will announce this.
   
To only allow one player number to be worn by the same team and participate at the same position (e.g., two quarterbacks on the same team are not allowed to have the same number).
   
To require teams to have either their jersey or pants contrast in color to the playing field.
   
To allow the use of electronic communication by the on-field officiating crew after successful experimentation by the Southeastern Conference. This is not a required piece of equipment but will allow officiating crews to use this tool.
   
To allow the Big 12 Conference to experiment with using an eighth official on the field in conference games. This official would be placed in the backfield opposite the referee.
   

[DutchFan2004]

Maybe you're both right here. 

Willie correctly points out that UD replaced all conference QB Jermar Jackson with all conference QB Colton Hansen, who was then replaced with all conference QB Wyatt Hanus.  UD fans shouldn't feel the need to crawl inside a whiskey bottle and never come back out.  History suggests there could be another great QB waiting in the wings for the Spartans.   

notlongago correctly points out that Central was able to beat UD after losing Zweifel. 

I'll point out that while UD slipped from 9-1 to 5-5 last year, the offense went right about its business, despite the loss of Zweifel.

2011 - 489.9 yards per game
2012 - 456.1 yards per game

In 2011 Hanus threw for 317.3 per game
In 2012 Hanus threw for 316.5 per game...after losing NCAA all time leading receiver Zweifel, UD career 3rd leading receiver Fleming, UD career leading rusher Spaulding.  Also the right side of the O-line graduated two 4 year starters. 

If Hanus could lose all that and come back with pretty much an identical year throwing to freshmen, sophomores and juniors with pretty much no experiance...only losing a TE to graduation, then next year with pretty much the entire receiving corp and offensive line returning should provide a soft cushion for whoever the new QB at UD is. 

Now, with all that said, maybe next year in football could be like this past year in basketball for our conference.  Last place could beat 1st place on any given night.  Who knows how it will play out.  That's why we watch the games.

That is a good point about the QB's and who knows if the next one will accomplish the same.  The point here is we are talking about this season and memory serves Hanson and Hanus did not make all conference their first season.  That goes to my previous post.  This season could be a growing season for the UD QB.  If there are enough other players on the field to help the UD QB develop they can have a successful season.  To me that will be the key.  I am not from Missouri but my Wartburg son is so I will steal a line from that wise old sage on the IIAC post pattern page "SHOW ME".  ( Where did he or she go?)  I am not being a downer for the UD faithful just pointing out the history and realities of the position the UD offense is in.  It is a load for this young man or men that are competing for the job.  I don't doubt that the coaching will be there and they will coach up their young men.  The question for me is experience.  Can their QB's learn fast enough to carry the load that Hanus carried and is the QB on his level.

[notlongago]

Maybe you're both right here. 

Willie correctly points out that UD replaced all conference QB Jermar Jackson with all conference QB Colton Hansen, who was then replaced with all conference QB Wyatt Hanus.  UD fans shouldn't feel the need to crawl inside a whiskey bottle and never come back out.  History suggests there could be another great QB waiting in the wings for the Spartans.   

notlongago correctly points out that Central was able to beat UD after losing Zweifel. 

I'll point out that while UD slipped from 9-1 to 5-5 last year, the offense went right about its business, despite the loss of Zweifel.

2011 - 489.9 yards per game
2012 - 456.1 yards per game

In 2011 Hanus threw for 317.3 per game
In 2012 Hanus threw for 316.5 per game...after losing NCAA all time leading receiver Zweifel, UD career 3rd leading receiver Fleming, UD career leading rusher Spaulding.  Also the right side of the O-line graduated two 4 year starters. 

If Hanus could lose all that and come back with pretty much an identical year throwing to freshmen, sophomores and juniors with pretty much no experiance...only losing a TE to graduation, then next year with pretty much the entire receiving corp and offensive line returning should provide a soft cushion for whoever the new QB at UD is. 

Now, with all that said, maybe next year in football could be like this past year in basketball for our conference.  Last place could beat 1st place on any given night.  Who knows how it will play out.  That's why we watch the games.

Question for you: were any of those QBs all conference their first season as a starter? I figure you would know better than I.

Im not saying they wont have another stud QB in a year or two, Im merely talking about next season. A team who was 5-5 and loses their stud QB seems to be in a worse position than a team who was 5-5 and returns everything and adds several 5th years seniors who missed last season, including a potential AA.

[doolittledog]

You two are correct, Hansen and Hanus were in their second years as a starter when they made all-conference. 

I am pointing out though, that it was said on these boards that Dubuque was in for a rough year in 2012 because Zweifel was gone and losing a player of his caliber was too hard to overcome.  Not only was Zweifel gone, but so was Fleming, Spaulding and the right side of the O-line.  Then Dubuque goes out and puts up nearly identical offensive numbers in 2012 as they did the season before.

Now its said that Dubuque will be in for a rough year in 2013 because Hanus is gone and losing a player of his caliber will be too hard to overcome.  Dubuque might be in for a long season...I just don't think it will be because of the loss of 1 player.   

[DutchFan2004]

I agree with you about UD not being in trouble by losing there all conference QB.  I don't think they are in trouble.  I think that there are taller hills to climb because of it though.  I think that the toughest player to replace on the field is a 3 or 4 year starter at QB because they get all of the playing time.  My son told me once that the QB gets better with playing time.  I believe it cause I witnessed it.  You can get all of the practice time and see everything in practice but game speed is different.  That's where a great playing comes through.  Hanus and Hansen showed that.  Seasoning, maturity, growing up call it what you want but a QB needs playing time and coaching.  I am sure that the young men are getting coaching now but they are short on the other part.  In trouble no UD is not in trouble.  Questions yes there are many questions about all of the IIAC teams.  Nobody saw Suckow leaving Coe till it happened.  That is what is so different about D3.  A student is here one year and may be gone the next.  D1 is that way but mostly due to grades.  There are transfers now and again but they usually go down not sideways.  If I have mislead here I am sorry.  I did not mean to imply that UD was in trouble they just have some questions to answer and they may have the answers already.  Thats why the games are played.

[doolittledog]

No worries DF2K4...I see what you are saying.  I'm the one that usually reads too fast and doesn't fully grasp what was said before firing off a reply. 

[Willie University]

And a 5-5 record doesn't mean squat. If they scheduled a couple patsies like UD used to or some in the IIAC currently do then they would have easily been 7-3 with their only 3 losses coming by ridiculously close margins in games where they were not only in it but in control until the end so in reality.......this past seasons Spartans were VERY close if not equal in talent to the previous years team. It's not like the 3 IIAC losses they were coming from behind....they led in all 3 games so it was our F-ups that led to losses.

Which lends me to believe that next years Spartans will be equally as good and I think they could be even better. Not saying the loss of Hanus or Hookstead etc isn't significant but Coach Z has built a pipeline of replacements waiting in the wings and that should be evident by the slim fall off from 2011 to 2012.......

And I like being the underdog 

Willie U

[Duhawkin]

And a 5-5 record doesn't mean squat. If they scheduled a couple patsies like UD used to or some in the IIAC currently do then they would have easily been 7-3 with their only 3 losses coming by ridiculously close margins in games where they were not only in it but in control until the end so in reality.......this past seasons Spartans were VERY close if not equal in talent to the previous years team. It's not like the 3 IIAC losses they were coming from behind....they led in all 3 games so it was our F-ups that led to losses.

Which lends me to believe that next years Spartans will be equally as good and I think they could be even better. Not saying the loss of Hanus or Hookstead etc isn't significant but Coach Z has built a pipeline of replacements waiting in the wings and that should be evident by the slim fall off from 2011 to 2012.......

And I like being the underdog 

Willie U

Underdog? Wouldn't Loras be that?

[notlongago]

And a 5-5 record doesn't mean squat. If they scheduled a couple patsies like UD used to or some in the IIAC currently do then they would have easily been 7-3 with their only 3 losses coming by ridiculously close margins in games where they were not only in it but in control until the end so in reality.......this past seasons Spartans were VERY close if not equal in talent to the previous years team. It's not like the 3 IIAC losses they were coming from behind....they led in all 3 games so it was our F-ups that led to losses.

Which lends me to believe that next years Spartans will be equally as good and I think they could be even better. Not saying the loss of Hanus or Hookstead etc isn't significant but Coach Z has built a pipeline of replacements waiting in the wings and that should be evident by the slim fall off from 2011 to 2012.......

And I like being the underdog 

Willie U

Good sir, you would be taken much more seriously if your arguments were based on facts and not "what ifs". Lets looks at all the "2nd" place teams last season:

BV: UW-Platteville, Concordia-moorhead, bethel. 0-3 all good-very good. Could've benefited from some cupcakes

DBQ: Auggie, UW-Platteville, UW-SP. 1-2 w/ 1 average, 1 good, and 1 team w/ a bad record in a good conference. Could've benefited from cupcakes

Central: UW-Osh Kosh, Auggie, Albion. 1-2 w/ 1 great, 2 average teams. Could've benefited from cupcakes

Wartburg: MacMurry, Bethel, Carthage. 2-1 w/ 1 awful, 1 bad, and 1 good team. Lucky they had the cupcakes or could've been bye-bye streak.

Simpson: UW-RF, Gustavus, Eureka. 2-1 w/1 team with bad record in good conference, 2 bad teams. Another team that puffed up their record a bit with a soft schedule.

So there are 3 teams that could've had 7 or 8 wins w/ a different schedule and 2 that could've had 3 or 4 wins w/ a tougher schedule. Guess the point is, the chips landed about where they should've, so you cannot cherry pick DBQs schedule and say "if this that and the other" with out doing the same for all other teams that finished in the 2nd place spot.

[doolittledog]

This was posted elsewhere ...

New football rule changes.

http://www.ncaa.org/wps/wcm/connect/public/ncaa/resources/latest+news/2013/football+rules+committee+recommends+ejection+for+targeting+defenseless+players

Others:

To make blocks below the waist from the side and back illegal, but legal if the blocked player is facing the player blocking below the waist.
   
To add a 10-second runoff with less than a minute remaining in either half when the sole reason for the clock to stop is an injury.
   
To establish three seconds as the minimum amount of time required to be on the game clock in order to spike the ball to stop the clock. If one or two seconds remain on the clock, there is only time for the offense to run one more play.
   
To require a player that changes numbers during the game to report this to the referee, who will announce this.
   
To only allow one player number to be worn by the same team and participate at the same position (e.g., two quarterbacks on the same team are not allowed to have the same number).
   
To require teams to have either their jersey or pants contrast in color to the playing field.
   
To allow the use of electronic communication by the on-field officiating crew after successful experimentation by the Southeastern Conference. This is not a required piece of equipment but will allow officiating crews to use this tool.
   
To allow the Big 12 Conference to experiment with using an eighth official on the field in conference games. This official would be placed in the backfield opposite the referee.
   

I like most of these.  My only problem is there are so many rules changes from season to season, I wonder how many calls are missed because of confusion.  All of us on this board have been football fans our entire lives and even we ask questions on here regarding rules.  Maybe make a rule that you can only change the rules once every 10 years