FB: American Rivers Conference

[MUC57]

A belated congrats to Wartburg on a good season. Nice to see some different teams in the playoffs. Of course, I never tire of seeing Mount Union in there, but that's different. Best of luck next year. Also nice to see the IIAC have a team representing the conference. Iowa is not really very far from Ohio. Easy to root for "almost neighbors"!

[Purple Heys]

As much as it hurts to say it, the better team won yesterday.  However, I'm concerned about a comment made to the press by an Oshkosh player that most of their best players take a "grey" year -- and take a year off for obvious reasons.  I wonder how many older players they have.  Years ago, I heard that this was quite common practice in the Pacific Northwest.  Seems unlike D3.

Easier financially at State School tuition rates...

[HansenRatings]

As much as it hurts to say it, the better team won yesterday.  However, I'm concerned about a comment made to the press by an Oshkosh player that most of their best players take a "grey" year -- and take a year off for obvious reasons.  I wonder how many older players they have.  Years ago, I heard that this was quite common practice in the Pacific Northwest.  Seems unlike D3.

UWO encourages their entire freshman class to all greyshirt, or at least they did a few years ago, and they spend that first semester doing an independent weightlifting regimen to bulk up. The freshman that plays DIII and is physically prepared for the WIAC is uncommon.

This regimented system is uncommon among the other WIAC schools, but it's not uncommon for a significant chunk of their team's senior class to be fifth-year seniors, because not every player can make the roster as freshman (Title IX). I know the rules have changed a little since I left UWP, but I bet there's still a lot of 5th-year seniors.

All that said, there was an article, I think in the Waterloo Courier, that emphasized how beneficial it was for the Wartburg defense to have at least one 5th-year senior in every position group this season.

[Purple Heys]

As much as it hurts to say it, the better team won yesterday.  However, I'm concerned about a comment made to the press by an Oshkosh player that most of their best players take a "grey" year -- and take a year off for obvious reasons.  I wonder how many older players they have.  Years ago, I heard that this was quite common practice in the Pacific Northwest.  Seems unlike D3.

Easier financially at State School tuition rates...

BTW, the 100 man roster limit may rationalize "grey" players, but realistically, at private school rates, this would not be as viable.  Title IX applies to private schools does it not?

[Old Dutch]

I heard many discussion of the Grey Shirt tradition in Wisconson schools years ago.  Seems a bit of a stretch when compared with the Division III philosophy statement by the NCAA:  Seen here http://www.ncaa.org/governance/division-iii-philosophy-statement

Division III Philosophy Statement
Colleges and universities in Division III place the highest priority on the overall quality of the educational experience and on the successful completion of all students' academic programs. They seek to establish and maintain an environment in which a student-athlete's athletics activities are conducted as an integral part of the student-athlete's educational experience, and an environment that values cultural diversity and gender equity among their student-athletes and athletics staff. To achieve this end, Division III institutions:

#4 of 18 DIII values as listed
4.  Primarily focus on intercollegiate athletics as a four-year, undergraduate experience;

I know Central often ends up with 1-3 5th yrs and they do make a difference.  But they are not intentional, perhaps an injury or transfer or other things.  And yes the state school tuition is a benfit, but 5th years don't have to be full time students either . . .

[Old Dutch]

Congrats to the Wartys great year for them and good boost for the IIAC!

[bluenote]

What happened to WindMill? 

[doolittledog]

What happened to WindMill? 

Because I'm up early and I like looking at stats...

The Dutch have gone 8 seasons without a title.  2010-2017
The last time the Dutch have had this long of a title drought was 9 seasons from 1947-1955
The past 8 seasons the Dutch have gone 42-18 in conference with 0 titles
The previous 8 seasons the Dutch went 51-14 in conference with 5 titles

Basically, Central is riiiiight there...but they're falling juuuuuuust short of the top spot.

 

[Purple Heys]

What happened to WindMill? 

Because I'm up early and I like looking at stats...

The Dutch have gone 8 seasons without a title.  2010-2017
The last time the Dutch have had this long of a title drought was 9 seasons from 1947-1955
The past 8 seasons the Dutch have gone 42-18 in conference with 0 titles
The previous 8 seasons the Dutch went 51-14 in conference with 5 titles

Basically, Central is riiiiight there...but they're falling juuuuuuust short of the top spot.

I blame Cornell

[doolittledog]

What happened to WindMill? 

Because I'm up early and I like looking at stats...

The Dutch have gone 8 seasons without a title.  2010-2017
The last time the Dutch have had this long of a title drought was 9 seasons from 1947-1955
The past 8 seasons the Dutch have gone 42-18 in conference with 0 titles
The previous 8 seasons the Dutch went 51-14 in conference with 5 titles

Basically, Central is riiiiight there...but they're falling juuuuuuust short of the top spot.

I blame Cornell

Let me look at that...

The previous 8 years I believe Central was 8-0 against Cornell and 1-0 against Upper Iowa, while the past 8 years they were 2-0 against Cornell and 2-0 against Nebraska Wesleyan and didn't play Upper Iowa. 

The previous 8 years Central was 8-0 against Dubuque, while the past 8 years they are 4-4 against Dubuque.  That accounts for the 4 more losses.

So 5 less wins because of not playing Cornell or Upper Iowa, and 4 less wins because they have gone 4-4 against Dubuque.  That accounts for the 9 less wins. 

Therefore, Cornell and Dubuque are messing everything up for Central 

[badgerwarhawk]

As much as it hurts to say it, the better team won yesterday.  However, I'm concerned about a comment made to the press by an Oshkosh player that most of their best players take a "grey" year -- and take a year off for obvious reasons.  I wonder how many older players they have.  Years ago, I heard that this was quite common practice in the Pacific Northwest.  Seems unlike D3.

UWO encourages their entire freshman class to all greyshirt, or at least they did a few years ago, and they spend that first semester doing an independent weightlifting regimen to bulk up. The freshman that plays DIII and is physically prepared for the WIAC is uncommon.

This regimented system is uncommon among the other WIAC schools, but it's not uncommon for a significant chunk of their team's senior class to be fifth-year seniors, because not every player can make the roster as freshman (Title IX). I know the rules have changed a little since I left UWP, but I bet there's still a lot of 5th-year seniors.

All that said, there was an article, I think in the Waterloo Courier, that emphasized how beneficial it was for the Wartburg defense to have at least one 5th-year senior in every position group this season.

As much as it hurts to say it, the better team won yesterday.  However, I'm concerned about a comment made to the press by an Oshkosh player that most of their best players take a "grey" year -- and take a year off for obvious reasons.  I wonder how many older players they have.  Years ago, I heard that this was quite common practice in the Pacific Northwest.  Seems unlike D3.

Easier financially at State School tuition rates...

BTW, the 100 man roster limit may rationalize "grey" players, but realistically, at private school rates, this would not be as viable.  Title IX applies to private schools does it not?

It would be interesting to see how many private school athletes are actually paying full tuition.   I really don't have a clue but those that I have known, including my own daughter, weren't paying anything near the full cost.  Also the CCIW school she attended told her they could guarantee the money for five years because many of their students double major.  It actually cost more when she decided to transfer to a public school. 

[Alfredeneumann]

Sacia finalist 1 of 4 for Gagliardi Award

http://www.go-knights.net/news/2017/12/5/football-sacia-named-finalist-for-gagliardi-trophy.aspx

[Alfredeneumann]

Rick Willis AFCA Regional coach of the year

http://www.go-knights.net/news/2017/12/5/football-willis-named-afca-regional-coach-of-the-year.aspx?path=football

Congrats Coach!

[Alfredeneumann]

As much as it hurts to say it, the better team won yesterday.  However, I'm concerned about a comment made to the press by an Oshkosh player that most of their best players take a "grey" year -- and take a year off for obvious reasons.  I wonder how many older players they have.  Years ago, I heard that this was quite common practice in the Pacific Northwest.  Seems unlike D3.

UWO encourages their entire freshman class to all greyshirt, or at least they did a few years ago, and they spend that first semester doing an independent weightlifting regimen to bulk up. The freshman that plays DIII and is physically prepared for the WIAC is uncommon.

This regimented system is uncommon among the other WIAC schools, but it's not uncommon for a significant chunk of their team's senior class to be fifth-year seniors, because not every player can make the roster as freshman (Title IX). I know the rules have changed a little since I left UWP, but I bet there's still a lot of 5th-year seniors.

All that said, there was an article, I think in the Waterloo Courier, that emphasized how beneficial it was for the Wartburg defense to have at least one 5th-year senior in every position group this season.

As much as it hurts to say it, the better team won yesterday.  However, I'm concerned about a comment made to the press by an Oshkosh player that most of their best players take a "grey" year -- and take a year off for obvious reasons.  I wonder how many older players they have.  Years ago, I heard that this was quite common practice in the Pacific Northwest.  Seems unlike D3.

Easier financially at State School tuition rates...

BTW, the 100 man roster limit may rationalize "grey" players, but realistically, at private school rates, this would not be as viable.  Title IX applies to private schools does it not?

It would be interesting to see how many private school athletes are actually paying full tuition.   I really don't have a clue but those that I have known, including my own daughter, weren't paying anything near the full cost.  Also the CCIW school she attended told her they could guarantee the money for five years because many of their students double major.  It actually cost more when she decided to transfer to a public school.

Probably about the same percentage of student body. Which is a small percentage. I refer to "scholarship days" as "discount coupon days". "Outside the Crate" can probably supply more knowledge on how many and how much $ students actually pay.

[Purple Heys]

As much as it hurts to say it, the better team won yesterday.  However, I'm concerned about a comment made to the press by an Oshkosh player that most of their best players take a "grey" year -- and take a year off for obvious reasons.  I wonder how many older players they have.  Years ago, I heard that this was quite common practice in the Pacific Northwest.  Seems unlike D3.

UWO encourages their entire freshman class to all greyshirt, or at least they did a few years ago, and they spend that first semester doing an independent weightlifting regimen to bulk up. The freshman that plays DIII and is physically prepared for the WIAC is uncommon.

This regimented system is uncommon among the other WIAC schools, but it's not uncommon for a significant chunk of their team's senior class to be fifth-year seniors, because not every player can make the roster as freshman (Title IX). I know the rules have changed a little since I left UWP, but I bet there's still a lot of 5th-year seniors.

All that said, there was an article, I think in the Waterloo Courier, that emphasized how beneficial it was for the Wartburg defense to have at least one 5th-year senior in every position group this season.

As much as it hurts to say it, the better team won yesterday.  However, I'm concerned about a comment made to the press by an Oshkosh player that most of their best players take a "grey" year -- and take a year off for obvious reasons.  I wonder how many older players they have.  Years ago, I heard that this was quite common practice in the Pacific Northwest.  Seems unlike D3.

Easier financially at State School tuition rates...

BTW, the 100 man roster limit may rationalize "grey" players, but realistically, at private school rates, this would not be as viable.  Title IX applies to private schools does it not?

It would be interesting to see how many private school athletes are actually paying full tuition.   I really don't have a clue but those that I have known, including my own daughter, weren't paying anything near the full cost.  Also the CCIW school she attended told her they could guarantee the money for five years because many of their students double major.  It actually cost more when she decided to transfer to a public school.

It would be more interesting to see how many football playing private school young men get aid packages that approximate the 7k-8k tuition that an in-state UW-X football playing kid pays (presuming that the UW-X football playing gets no tuition, or housing aid).