FB: American Rivers Conference

[Purple Heys]

Is there a Ko-Hack fan out that can speak to the recent woes of their team?

Was 2016 a fluke?  Taking 2016 as an outlier to the data, from 2014 to date the 'Hacks have played like they have soggy crunchberries.

And before you go there, the annual Cornell beat down does not provide any barometer.

It may not provide a barometer, but 19 straight wins of domination has to make you wonder how one can even classify the other as going through "recent woes".  I would only call 2016 a fluke if Coe hadn't had the past success they've had.  Losses to tough Augustana and Dubuque teams this season don't have me thinking the Kohawks should pack in the season quite yet.

De Nile ain't just a river in Egypt...   

I did mention 19 straight wins right?  Shhhhhhhhhhhh 

Feel better now?  That's your noise?  Coe beat Cornell 19 in  row...Yadda yadda yadda.  Coe better beat Cornell every time.

To quote, well, myself, "the annual beatdown over Cornell does not provide any barometer" as to how good, bad, or mediocre Coe has been.

Coe's record over the last 5 years:

'13  7-3   4-3
'14  5-5   4-3
'15  4-6   3-4
'16  11-1  8-0
'17  4-6   2-6
'18  1-2   0-1   (the 1 win being the 19th win in a row vs. the Rams as you so eloquently point out)

At one point (2004-2012) Coe had to be considered an annual IIAC contender, these being the Raeburn years were also tough years to reach the top in the IIAC with both Central and Wartburg being very good teams.  Poppa Staker comes in, has a tough Year 1, but then 2009-2012 has the 'Hacks in the upper echelon of the conference as Central sort of dropped off.

But then, from 2013 on, the 'Hacks - by 'Hack standards - seem to have dropped off except for Sonny Boy's first year.

So I am wondering if the 'Hack fans are feeling this or not.  Maybe 2016 is still fresh in memory and that masks 'Hacks 20-20 W-L record in the four other years over the last five.  But there you have it by the numbers.  Coe has been a middling program in the IIAC.  What's wrong with Coe?  Why aren't they better?  Why does this game against BV seem like a toss-up, when Coe used to dispatch the Beaves with relative ease?

It's weak to sell "tough" losses over to "tough" Augustana and Dubuque teams - you sound like a Ram Fan.  Good Coe teams could beat tough teams.

I need to know these things so I can make my pick for the Pick 'ems and I just can't get a read on Coe.  Can't you see there is a bigger thing here?

[Fannosaurus Rex]

I like to think of myself as a "Big Picture Guy."  It's a Liberal Arts thing.

[Kohawk Nation]

Is there a Ko-Hack fan out that can speak to the recent woes of their team?

Was 2016 a fluke?  Taking 2016 as an outlier to the data, from 2014 to date the 'Hacks have played like they have soggy crunchberries.

And before you go there, the annual Cornell beat down does not provide any barometer.

It may not provide a barometer, but 19 straight wins of domination has to make you wonder how one can even classify the other as going through "recent woes".  I would only call 2016 a fluke if Coe hadn't had the past success they've had.  Losses to tough Augustana and Dubuque teams this season don't have me thinking the Kohawks should pack in the season quite yet.

De Nile ain't just a river in Egypt...   

I did mention 19 straight wins right?  Shhhhhhhhhhhh 

Feel better now?  That's your noise?  Coe beat Cornell 19 in  row...Yadda yadda yadda.  Coe better beat Cornell every time.

To quote, well, myself, "the annual beatdown over Cornell does not provide any barometer" as to how good, bad, or mediocre Coe has been.

Coe's record over the last 5 years:

'13  7-3   4-3
'14  5-5   4-3
'15  4-6   3-4
'16  11-1  8-0
'17  4-6   2-6
'18  1-2   0-1   (the 1 win being the 19th win in a row vs. the Rams as you so eloquently point out)

At one point (2004-2012) Coe had to be considered an annual IIAC contender, these being the Raeburn years were also tough years to reach the top in the IIAC with both Central and Wartburg being very good teams.  Poppa Staker comes in, has a tough Year 1, but then 2009-2012 has the 'Hacks in the upper echelon of the conference as Central sort of dropped off.

But then, from 2013 on, the 'Hacks - by 'Hack standards - seem to have dropped off except for Sonny Boy's first year.

So I am wondering if the 'Hack fans are feeling this or not.  Maybe 2016 is still fresh in memory and that masks 'Hacks 20-20 W-L record in the four other years over the last five.  But there you have it by the numbers.  Coe has been a middling program in the IIAC.  What's wrong with Coe?  Why aren't they better?  Why does this game against BV seem like a toss-up, when Coe used to dispatch the Beaves with relative ease?

It's weak to sell "tough" losses over to "tough" Augustana and Dubuque teams - you sound like a Ram Fan.  Good Coe teams could beat tough teams.

I need to know these things so I can make my pick for the Pick 'ems and I just can't get a read on Coe.  Can't you see there is a bigger thing here?

Coe better beat Cornell every time?  What am I even hearing.  You don't give inspirational speeches for a living do you?

I am well aware as you have pointed out excessively now that Coe beating Cornell is not a barometer of how good or bad of a team Coe is.  I just don't usually go around saying "those guys suck!" when the team I root for has no room to talk.  But that's just me.

Thank you for the Coe football history lesson as well.  Since I was part of the Raeburn years I'll make a small correction for you (*2002-2012).  I don't think winning the conference in 2016 masks anything, I just think there is greater parity in the conference now with Wartburg, Central, Coe and Dubuque (2011 and on) all vying for a piece of the prize and other teams improving as well.

Since you are such a big Coe football history buff, you'll know that Coe went through a bit of a dip in 2006-2008 (18-12 overall, 14-10 conference) as well.  I just don't get too worked up over a couple down years.  I'm also not trying to sell you on anything, pretty much just stating a fact that Augustana is an improved program from a tough conference with rich football tradition and Dubuque is tough year in year out now to explain to you that Coe's 2 losses weren't to patsies. 

You don't need to attempt to school me on good Coe teams beating tough teams.  I am well aware.

[Schipper Strong]

Is Coe as good as they once were?  Probably not.  Is Dubuque better than they once were, absolutely.  Is Central as good as they once were?  Well, it would be hard to be as good as the teams that made it to the Stagg Bowl, but at least this year's team appears to be on a strong path that should build confidence the longer things keep going well.  I don't think there is one team truly setting themselves in a league of their own, so to speak, like there used to be.  I think that many small Iowa colleges adding football to their student offerings greatly affected the recruiting for several teams.  I know that Grandview adding it had a huge impact on Central and Simpson recruiting.  Dordt and Briar Cliff probably affected Northwestern and Buena Vista the most.  Not sure who may have added it in other areas of the state.  But I also know that with Iowa high schools graduating fewer students every year since 2010 and more kids going to state and community colleges because of cost savings, it is tough for the Iowa privates.  That has to include the football teams which could be why our conference champs are not making the deep playoff runs they used to be able to make.  I worked at Central for 21 years and during the Roe years, he always set a pretty much unreachable goal for the freshman class, but would be happy as long as we were over 400.  Central has not had 400 for a long time and I heard from many of my former colleagues that enrollment was a problem for basically all the privates in Iowa. 

Looking through the Central program, I can really tell that every year more and more of the players are coming from out of state.  As a believer in the value of both geographic and cultural diversity, I see that as a good thing.  At this point it is probably necessary just to survive through this baby bust era.  Most small colleges live or die by their enrollment, we may have robust endowments, but how those can be spent is generally quite restricted and you don't want to have to use it just to make ends meet.  Would be nice if all of us had a huge donor like some schools that shall not be named, but are playing Central tomorrow.   

Everyone I tried to get to ride along to the game tomorrow dropped out on me, so not sure if I will make the trip or not.  The heart is there and I will be watching, just not sure if it will be from the stands on a couldn't be much better day or from my recliner in front of the smarter than me TV, and it brags about it!   

Good luck to all except Dubuque, hope everyone stays healthy.

[Purple Heys]

It's seems there has been a recent shift in the pecking order in the IIAC (sorry folks, I am not ready to commit to the ARC).

WAS:  Central, Wartburg, 'Hacks, Dubuque, everybody else, Cornell

IS:  Wartburg, Central, Dubuque, Simpson, 'Hacks, then the rest.

[Purple Heys]

Coe better beat Cornell every time?  What am I even hearing.  You don't give inspirational speeches for a living do you?

I am well aware as you have pointed out excessively now that Coe beating Cornell is not a barometer of how good or bad of a team Coe is.  I just don't usually go around saying "those guys suck!" when the team I root for has no room to talk.  But that's just me.

Thank you for the Coe football history lesson as well.  Since I was part of the Raeburn years I'll make a small correction for you (*2002-2012).  I don't think winning the conference in 2016 masks anything, I just think there is greater parity in the conference now with Wartburg, Central, Coe and Dubuque (2011 and on) all vying for a piece of the prize and other teams improving as well.

Since you are such a big Coe football history buff, you'll know that Coe went through a bit of a dip in 2006-2008 (18-12 overall, 14-10 conference) as well.  I just don't get too worked up over a couple down years.  I'm also not trying to sell you on anything, pretty much just stating a fact that Augustana is an improved program from a tough conference with rich football tradition and Dubuque is tough year in year out now to explain to you that Coe's 2 losses weren't to patsies. 

You don't need to attempt to school me on good Coe teams beating tough teams.  I am well aware.

I would think as a Reaburn guy you would have higher expectations for your ‘Hacks.  In the age of analytics, the tracking numbers indicate they are down.  They have 7 games to prove otherwise.

[Purple Heys]

FYI, I picked the 'Hacks to win on the road.   

[Kohawk Nation]

Coe better beat Cornell every time?  What am I even hearing.  You don't give inspirational speeches for a living do you?

I am well aware as you have pointed out excessively now that Coe beating Cornell is not a barometer of how good or bad of a team Coe is.  I just don't usually go around saying "those guys suck!" when the team I root for has no room to talk.  But that's just me.

Thank you for the Coe football history lesson as well.  Since I was part of the Raeburn years I'll make a small correction for you (*2002-2012).  I don't think winning the conference in 2016 masks anything, I just think there is greater parity in the conference now with Wartburg, Central, Coe and Dubuque (2011 and on) all vying for a piece of the prize and other teams improving as well.

Since you are such a big Coe football history buff, you'll know that Coe went through a bit of a dip in 2006-2008 (18-12 overall, 14-10 conference) as well.  I just don't get too worked up over a couple down years.  I'm also not trying to sell you on anything, pretty much just stating a fact that Augustana is an improved program from a tough conference with rich football tradition and Dubuque is tough year in year out now to explain to you that Coe's 2 losses weren't to patsies. 

You don't need to attempt to school me on good Coe teams beating tough teams.  I am well aware.

I would think as a Reaburn guy you would have higher expectations for your 'Hacks.  In the age of analytics, the tracking numbers indicate they are down.  They have 7 games to prove otherwise.

Reading comprehension must not be a strong characteristic for Cornell fans if what you took from my response is that I have low expectations for Coe.  I just don't hang my hopes and dreams on the outcome of games played by a bunch of D3 kids playing for the love of the game.  Do I want them to win?  Absolutely.  If they lose does it ruin my weekend?  Nope.  My expectations have zero impact on either result.  The players and coaches expectations for themselves is what helps dictate that.  I take the same approach when cheering on the Hawkeyes.  Makes sports a little more enjoyable for me.

I did say they are going through a dip (or down however you want to refer to it).  I sure hope they can meet your expectations over these next 7 games.

Glad Coe won your coin toss 

[Outside the Crate]

Wartburg up 21-0 with 4:14 to go in first half.

[Outside the Crate]

Half-time:  Wartburg up 28-0.  Scacia is 13 of 17 for 225 yards.  Knights are looking good.  Last score was a 74-yard pass from Scacia to Colin Shulte.  Only a couple first downs for NWU in the first half.

At half-time, NWU honored last year's NWU national men's basketball championship team, which is a feather in the NWU cap as well as that of the American Rivers Conference.

Also at half-time, Fred Ohles, the president of NWU sang the praises of their now 2-year affiliation with the conference.  Interestingly enough, he mentioned his hope that more colleges would join the AR conference in the years to come.

[Fannosaurus Rex]

Central leads 14-0 after an exciting first half in Dubuque.

[Old Dutch]

28-0 end of third in Dubuque!

[Outside the Crate]

42-14 final in Lincoln.  Scrubs allowed a couple fourth quarter touchdowns, of course, but the Knights played very well today.

[wartknight]

42-14 final in Lincoln.  Scrubs Backups allowed a couple fourth quarter touchdowns, of course, but the Knights played very well today.

Corrected it for you.........I agree though, nice game for the Knights on the road!

[Kohawk Nation]

35-14 Coe FINAL.