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Outside the Crate

I've been watching the North Dakota State/Colgate game.  Very lopsided, as usual.  One of the little interesting tidbits shared by the announcer:  NDSU has twenty red-shirt seniors on their team, and Colgate none.  (They reported that the Patriot League, from which Colgate hails, only allows medical red-shirts.)

I wonder to what extent the final four teams in D3 have red-shirt players.  As I recall, the WIAC allows it.  I've raised the issue before on this site, because I think red-shirting is inimical to the mission of D3 and gives those who practice it a huge advantage.  Everyone ought to play by the same rules, especially this rule.

02 Warhawk

Quote from: Outside the Crate on December 08, 2018, 02:55:53 PM
I've been watching the North Dakota State/Colgate game.  Very lopsided, as usual.  One of the little interesting tidbits shared by the announcer:  NDSU has twenty red-shirt seniors on their team, and Colgate none.  (They reported that the Patriot League, from which Colgate hails, only allows medical red-shirts.)

I wonder to what extent the final four teams in D3 have red-shirt players.  As I recall, the WIAC allows it.  I've raised the issue before on this site, because I think red-shirting is inimical to the mission of D3 and gives those who practice it a huge advantage.  Everyone ought to play by the same rules, especially this rule.

Answer is zero. Redshirting is not allowed in D3

Outside the Crate

I don't believe you are correct.  Red-shirting is allowed in some conferences. 


Mr. Ypsi

Quote from: Outside the Crate on December 08, 2018, 09:41:52 PM
I don't believe you are correct.  Red-shirting is allowed in some conferences.

Wrong.  Grey-shirting (i.e., not playing, practicing, or any other team activities, is allowed to extend eligibility), but how could it not - that's just being a student who is not on the team!  Otherwise, ONLY medical red-shirts (officially, medical hardship) is the ONLY non-loss-of-eligibility allowed in ALL of D3.  Red-shirting otherwise was prohibited across D3 some years ago (maybe a decade?).  WIAC ONCE had red-shirting, but not for quite a while.

Pat Coleman

Yes, redshirting was voted out around 2004.
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Outside the Crate

Phooey, that's just splitting hairs...  I don't care if you call it green-shirting or grey-shirting or red-shirting, the impact of giving a student an extra year is still significant and, in my view, inappropriate even if legal.  The notion that this is "just being a student" is nonsense.  If there were no implications for the practice then more conferences would allow it.  These are STUDENT athletes, and we ought to do everything possible to see students graduate on time.  Of course, if the taxpayers of Wisconsin want to subsidize a lot of students for a fifth year I'm sure the universities will be glad to do it -- and then bitch about insufficient state funding.  Frankly, it's sick and damn lousy public policy and athletic policy.

Let's face it, we know what this is about:  giving young men an extra year of maturity and an extra year in the weight room.  Bulk up, baby!

Pat Coleman

Redshirting: Going through practice every day for a year without incurring a year of eligibility.
Greyshirting: Going through a year of life without incurring a year of eligibility.

This is not splitting hairs. They are really quite different. Not aware of any conferences that prohibit greyshirting, because to prohibit greyshirting you'd be saying that nobody could join a team after their freshman year.
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doolittledog

How about during a medical redshirt.  If you break your leg 1 game into the season and get a medical redshirt, do you drop off the team like the kid taking a greyshirt?  Or can you attend practices and meetings and all that?
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Quote from: Outside the Crate on December 10, 2018, 12:26:35 AM
Phooey, that's just splitting hairs...  I don't care if you call it green-shirting or grey-shirting or red-shirting, the impact of giving a student an extra year is still significant and, in my view, inappropriate even if legal.  The notion that this is "just being a student" is nonsense.  If there were no implications for the practice then more conferences would allow it.  These are STUDENT athletes, and we ought to do everything possible to see students graduate on time.  Of course, if the taxpayers of Wisconsin want to subsidize a lot of students for a fifth year I'm sure the universities will be glad to do it -- and then bitch about insufficient state funding.  Frankly, it's sick and damn lousy public policy and athletic policy.

Let's face it, we know what this is about:  giving young men an extra year of maturity and an extra year in the weight room.  Bulk up, baby!

LOL... you're funny.

Big difference. It's up to the student if they want to graduate in 4 years. The football team doesn't force a player to greyshirt. It's the students choice to sit out a year.

Oline89

Quote from: Pat Coleman on December 10, 2018, 01:27:53 AM
Redshirting: Going through practice every day for a year without incurring a year of eligibility.
Greyshirting: Going through a year of life without incurring a year of eligibility.

This is not splitting hairs. They are really quite different. Not aware of any conferences that prohibit greyshirting, because to prohibit greyshirting you'd be saying that nobody could join a team after their freshman year.

There still is a subtle advantage with Greyshirting.  Every student athlete has 5 years to graduate with 4 years of eligibility.  So if a program encourages and recruits kids to Greyshirt, then there will be a senior class full of 23/24 year old men.  I am not sure how financial aid plays out for these kids, since no student tells admissions that they are planning to graduate in 5 years.  There really would be no way to govern greyshirting.

Pat Coleman

Quote from: doolittledog on December 10, 2018, 07:25:22 AM
How about during a medical redshirt.  If you break your leg 1 game into the season and get a medical redshirt, do you drop off the team like the kid taking a greyshirt?  Or can you attend practices and meetings and all that?

You can still attend practices and meetings.
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Former Duhawk to lead Wildcats

QuoteBREAKING: #KState is expected to offer #NorthDakota State's Chris Kleiman the head coaching job tonite, per source.. All indications point to him accepting the job & he's expected to coach NDSU as far as they go in FCS Playoffs. He is 67-6 at NDSU and has won 3 national titles.

doolittledog

Quote from: 5 Words or Less on December 10, 2018, 11:56:29 PM
Former Duhawk to lead Wildcats

QuoteBREAKING: #KState is expected to offer #NorthDakota State's Chris Kleiman the head coaching job tonite, per source.. All indications point to him accepting the job & he's expected to coach NDSU as far as they go in FCS Playoffs. He is 67-6 at NDSU and has won 3 national titles.


His last act as a Duhawk was a 20-18 loss to Dubuque...mwuh ha ha ha haaaaa  ;D 
Coach Finstock - "There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that and everything else is cream cheese."

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doolittledog

Quote from: 5 Words or Less on December 11, 2018, 08:23:17 AM
What was his Loras record?

Klieman was 3-7 overall, 2-6 in IIAC play in his only season as head coach in 2005.  He was the DC from 2002-2004. 
Coach Finstock - "There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that and everything else is cream cheese."