FB: American Rivers Conference

[Schipper Strong]

Blaine Hawkins is the best QB in Division 3. He played well yesterday despite the final stats. He marched the team down the field quickly and efficiently on the first drive. He had a fantastic run for a TD that was called back and don't say holding as UWW was holding all day long.He then got the TD back without allowing time left for WW to do anything. We were behind by 6 pts at the half.
How many non WIAC teams did that? Hawkins was under constant pressure and the WW QB had all day. Yes your O/D lines were better. How do you think Meylor's stats would be if the script was flipped? Hawkins sat out several entire second halves against starters for our opponents, as I am sure Brett Elliot did before him. Those receivers getting out of bounds despite the WW defense doing everything they could to keep them in bounds shows the heart I and FR referred to. It meant a lot to them to try to make it possible. Emma is right a bunch of heartless bastages you and your booing fans are. I am forever Dutch and proud of it.

I love it. I was waiting for a comment to be made about the holding call. You realize Central scored on that drive anyway right? In fact, as a UWW fan, I wish #10 didn't hold and allowed Your QB score on that play because then whitewater would have gotten the ball back, with a good opportunity to increase the  lead going into the locker room.

Unfortunately, #10 did hold, which prolonged the scoring drive, allowing central to take more time off the clock and score with under a minute left in the half. Giving the ball back to UWW with 45 seconds left. Where as if holding didn't take place UWW would have gotten the ball back with over 4 minutes left.

And that was one of only two scoring drives our defense held BH to all game.

And of course BH was under constant pressure. The entire stadium knew he was just to be passing 95% of the time. It was easy to defend because there was no threat to run. Whitewater is balanced, there's a threat to run and pass....keeping the defense honest and guessing.

Lastly. Emma said nothing about the fans being  "heartless bastages". Sounds to me you're just upset your team lost and a few UWW  fans "booing" is a convenient target to take out your frustrations.

Apparently reading isn't a U duh duh course.

[Schipper Strong]

Hazzbeen booing the refs for missing a blatant pass interference call is not the same thing as booing a team you are decimating because they called a timeout. Central did not boo the Wheaton team. We had tremendous respect for them as we did for Bethel.  All of our playoff opponents had excellent teams.

[emma17]

To be clear, I wasn't expressing an issue with Central's first team trying to score. I'm probably neutral on that idea given.
My point was specific to Schipper's comments:

Congratulations to Blaine Hawkins for breaking the NCAA TD passes in a season record today. I suspect that was also part of why the Dutch tried so hard to add one more to the total at the end. Thank you to all the 5th year seniors and to any 4th year seniors that choose not to pursue the 5th year. It was fun watching you play. What a memorable season.

and

So why the fury at trying to tack on one more?

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These comments from Schipper were specifically about trying to add another TD pass to pad Hawkins' record. We all have our own opinions on this, mine is the athlete accomplishing the task would likely find it "empty" given the circumstances.

[02 Warhawk]

Blaine Hawkins is the best QB in Division 3. He played well yesterday despite the final stats. He marched the team down the field quickly and efficiently on the first drive. He had a fantastic run for a TD that was called back and don't say holding as UWW was holding all day long.He then got the TD back without allowing time left for WW to do anything. We were behind by 6 pts at the half.
How many non WIAC teams did that? Hawkins was under constant pressure and the WW QB had all day. Yes your O/D lines were better. How do you think Meylor's stats would be if the script was flipped? Hawkins sat out several entire second halves against starters for our opponents, as I am sure Brett Elliot did before him. Those receivers getting out of bounds despite the WW defense doing everything they could to keep them in bounds shows the heart I and FR referred to. It meant a lot to them to try to make it possible. Emma is right a bunch of heartless bastages you and your booing fans are. I am forever Dutch and proud of it.

I love it. I was waiting for a comment to be made about the holding call. You realize Central scored on that drive anyway right? In fact, as a UWW fan, I wish #10 didn't hold and allowed Your QB score on that play because then whitewater would have gotten the ball back, with a good opportunity to increase the  lead going into the locker room.

Unfortunately, #10 did hold, which prolonged the scoring drive, allowing central to take more time off the clock and score with under a minute left in the half. Giving the ball back to UWW with 45 seconds left. Where as if holding didn't take place UWW would have gotten the ball back with over 4 minutes left.

And that was one of only two scoring drives our defense held BH to all game.

And of course BH was under constant pressure. The entire stadium knew he was just to be passing 95% of the time. It was easy to defend because there was no threat to run. Whitewater is balanced, there's a threat to run and pass....keeping the defense honest and guessing.

Lastly. Emma said nothing about the fans being  "heartless bastages". Sounds to me you're just upset your team lost and a few UWW  fans "booing" is a convenient target to take out your frustrations.

Apparently reading isn't a U duh duh course.

I read it just fine. You seemed to be complaining a little on the "don't say holding..." call.

[Schipper Strong]

To be clear, I wasn't expressing an issue with Central's first team trying to score. I'm probably neutral on that idea given.
My point was specific to Schipper's comments:

Congratulations to Blaine Hawkins for breaking the NCAA TD passes in a season record today. I suspect that was also part of why the Dutch tried so hard to add one more to the total at the end. Thank you to all the 5th year seniors and to any 4th year seniors that choose not to pursue the 5th year. It was fun watching you play. What a memorable season.

and

So why the fury at trying to tack on one more?

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These comments from Schipper were specifically about trying to add another TD pass to pad Hawkins' record. We all have our own opinions on this, mine is the athlete accomplishing the task would likely find it "empty" given the circumstances.

I hardly call giving an elite athlete, whether you believe it or not, a chance to score one more TD padding the record.

[D O.C.]

So, any opinions on the final D3 poll order of finish 5-8?

Yeah, that lower right home stand meant to yell U Dub Dub but it came out U f***ed Up when I was standing there in 2009.

(1380)

[SJU13]

Read a nice article on Hawkins (and congrats on a fantastic season for him & Central): https://www.wsj.com/articles/blaine-hawkins-central-college-11638454719?page=1

In terms of rankings that'll be an interesting discussion given Muhlenberg's (regular season #15) game against Mount. They also beat regular season #9 Delaware Valley. Central rolled though #14 Bethel and beat #6 Wheaton. Linfield beat #25 Redlands and #5 SJU. Can Muhlenberg jump 7+ spots based on playoff progress? Linfield and Central seem good candidates for 5&6 (or vice versa). SJU and Wheaton to round them out unless you put the mules in the top 8 then one of those bow out to 9.

[emma17]

To be clear, I wasn't expressing an issue with Central's first team trying to score. I'm probably neutral on that idea given.
My point was specific to Schipper's comments:

Congratulations to Blaine Hawkins for breaking the NCAA TD passes in a season record today. I suspect that was also part of why the Dutch tried so hard to add one more to the total at the end. Thank you to all the 5th year seniors and to any 4th year seniors that choose not to pursue the 5th year. It was fun watching you play. What a memorable season.

and

So why the fury at trying to tack on one more?

[/b]

These comments from Schipper were specifically about trying to add another TD pass to pad Hawkins' record. We all have our own opinions on this, mine is the athlete accomplishing the task would likely find it "empty" given the circumstances.

I hardly call giving an elite athlete, whether you believe it or not, a chance to score one more TD padding the record.

I'm not sure if you're suggesting that I question or don't respect Hawkins' skills. It's quite the opposite, which is exactly why I don't think he'd care about throwing another TD against UWW's second team.

[kiko]

To be clear, I wasn't expressing an issue with Central's first team trying to score. I'm probably neutral on that idea given.
My point was specific to Schipper's comments:

Congratulations to Blaine Hawkins for breaking the NCAA TD passes in a season record today. I suspect that was also part of why the Dutch tried so hard to add one more to the total at the end. Thank you to all the 5th year seniors and to any 4th year seniors that choose not to pursue the 5th year. It was fun watching you play. What a memorable season.

and

So why the fury at trying to tack on one more?

[/b]


These comments from Schipper were specifically about trying to add another TD pass to pad Hawkins' record. We all have our own opinions on this, mine is the athlete accomplishing the task would likely find it "empty" given the circumstances.

I hardly call giving an elite athlete, whether you believe it or not, a chance to score one more TD padding the record.

It literally is padding the record.  Pretend it isn't if you'd like, but that is exactly what it is.

(And I don't have an issue with it.  IMO there are a number of different contexts in which pressing for one more when the game is clearly over is not across the line, and this is one of them.)

[USee]

I guess so. To the extent someone sets a record and then continues to play I suppose Hawkins entire Saturday was "padding a record". And most of Broc Rutters senior year was too then.

This whole thing is a bit ridiculous to be debating.

[badgerwarhawk]

I just wanted to compliment the Central fan base for the support they give the program.  The crowd they brought to the Perk was easily one of the two largest of the season.  They obviously travel very well.  Hope those of you who had the opportunity enjoyed Fat Jacks.

The time outs didn't make any sense to me but so it goes.   It's only being debated because of the timing of them. 

[02 Warhawk]

For the record he didn't pad any records in the second half. He tried, but UWW's defense had other plans.

[USee]

For the record he didn't pad any records in the second half. He tried, but UWW's defense had other plans.

Which makes the debate even more ridiculous

[kiko]

I guess so. To the extent someone sets a record and then continues to play I suppose Hawkins entire Saturday was "padding a record". And most of Broc Rutters senior year was too then.

This whole thing is a bit ridiculous to be debating.

Sure.  Each time Broc Rutter was still playing and still chucking it down the field in the final minute or so of a game that had long been decided as a way to pad his stats, it is exactly the same thing.  And please, feel free to show me when that happened.

[Pat Coleman]

Congratulations to Blaine Hawkins for breaking the NCAA TD passes in a season record today. I suspect that was also part of why the Dutch tried so hard to add one more to the total at the end. Thank you to all the 5th year seniors and to any 4th year seniors that choose not to pursue the 5th year. It was fun watching you play. What a memorable season.

Very classy of Whitewater to take time and announce this impressive achievement over the PA system.

Congrats to BH...very impressive season.

So why the fury at trying to tack on one more?

I'm surprised you ask the question. Does an AA, Gagliardi finalist really want to "pad his stats" against the 2nd team? Wouldn't a Gagliardi finalist, given the type of criteria reviewed by the committee, want his own 2nd team teammates to get playing time when the game was so out of reach? That's why UWW fans booed. It's no different than keeping a star basketball player in the game to get the last two assists to complete the triple double, when the game has already been decided.

Not super relevant as most of the votes were already cast.