FB: American Rivers Conference

[Willie University]

I was not aware that D3 kids were doing this. 

Nike camps are free to go there?  Do they pay to get you there as well? I can see how that might help recruit out of state players.  Maybe The IIAC teams would benefit from going there.  Somehow I don't see that being the savior of the playoff record.  It may have helped UD to get to the #4 spot in the IIAC.  I don't see that putting the IIAC to the regional finals.  I don't see St Johns or UWW doing that.  Might be helpful but don't see that being the key to the IIAC doing better in the playoffs. Central didn't do that poorly against St Johns.  Better execution would have helped against St Johns this year.  Central while losing first round against a regional finalist was not blown out.  So going to the Nike camps may be helpful I don't see it being a savior for the conference.

1.) UD finished tied for 3rd, not 4th.
2.) You can't compare St. John's and UW Whitewater to IIAC schools. COMPLETELY different markets and recruiting potentials for in state student athletes.
3.) And other IIAC colleges have dabbled in recruiting from states like Florida INCLUDING Central college... just haven't been as successful
4.) The recruiting pool in Iowa has been decreasing for a while which means that if all the Iowa colleges that have solely based their recruiting in Iowa are fighting for that same dwindling pool of athletes, guess what? I let you answer that yourself.
5.) And you are correct, recruiting methods alone--no matter what they are--are not the savior of the conference or a team

Willie U

[DutchFan2004]

Willie didnt mean to slight the spot of UD you are correct that they tied Coe with the same conference record.  I forgot about that.  They were in the top 4 teams.  Sorry for the slight did not mean to impune the Spartans at all. 

[doolittledog]

Did everybody wake up on the wrong side of the bed this morning???

Everyone seems a bit peeved today. 

I'm just hoping Storm-what? doesn't  come on here and tell me UD's finantial health is as bad as what he's been saying Wartburgs is on the basketball side of this board!!!

[Willie University]

Willie didnt mean to slight the spot of UD you are correct that they tied Coe with the same conference record.  I forgot about that.  They were in the top 4 teams.  Sorry for the slight did not mean to impune the Spartans at all. 

No offense taken. It's been a LONG time since they have been anywhere close to there so don't want to take anything away from them  

Willie U

[dutchfan1]

I was not aware that D3 kids were doing this. 

Nike camps are free to go there?  Do they pay to get you there as well? I can see how that might help recruit out of state players.  Maybe The IIAC teams would benefit from going there.  Somehow I don't see that being the savior of the playoff record.  It may have helped UD to get to the #4 spot in the IIAC.  I don't see that putting the IIAC to the regional finals.  I don't see St Johns or UWW doing that.  Might be helpful but don't see that being the key to the IIAC doing better in the playoffs. Central didn't do that poorly against St Johns.  Better execution would have helped against St Johns this year.  Central while losing first round against a regional finalist was not blown out.  So going to the Nike camps may be helpful I don't see it being a savior for the conference.

Dutch -- I think the point that both Spurrier and Big Willie were trying to get at is this: if IIAC student athletes were a little more well rounded/well versed in playing different styles of ball, we might be a bit more successful in the post season when we are up against different playing styles and abilities. The Nike camps, and other camps like it, expose players to this; when they come back to Iowa to play, they are better players for it. The top tier of the conference can obviously win games within the conference when it counts, but the last few playoff seasons have proven that we don't stack up to the other conferences in the West. I can't imagine that some additional skills training would hurt....

As far as recruiting goes, exposure is exposure. If you happen to see a player at one of these camps that turns your head, I would imagine that a coach would want to pursue the lead, no matter where the player's hometown is.

A favorite quote: "If you do what you've always done, you will get what you've always got." Point being, it may be time to try something new if we want to have more success than we have in the past. Right?

[Spurrier]

dutchie, you are so smart. . .

as much as i hate to admitt it, football has changed. . . the smash mouth days are over. . .the dutch lining up with 330 pound lineman and big bruising fullbacks and crushing the opposition is over. . .hence the spread offense. . .speed, my brothers and sisters, speed. . .

i know where it can be found. . .does the iiac?

[Charlie Kohawk]

1.) UD finished tied for 3rd, not 4th.

There's that inferiority complex rearing its ugly head again.

[Willie University]

Charlie,

Speak when spoken too.

The end.
Willie U

[Walston Hoover]

Charlie,

Speak when spoken too.

The end.
Willie U

Mega Karma from me Willie.
One statement I would like clarified. You mentioned several IIAC schools have tried recruiting Florida and haven't been as successful. I know Wartburg tried and got several kids that played. Had some discipline problems, not showing up in shape problems, maybe showing up 2 years, but not 3 problems. Anyway enough problems to the point that its not worth the trip anymore.
I would like to have your statement about not being as successful. If you mean getting the kids to school, I'd probably disagree just knowing the Wartburg had no problem that I'm aware of getting the kids to school. If you mean keeping the kids in school I'd agree with you statement, although it may be a numbers issue too. If it is a success on the field reference, than I would have to disagree as well. Just wondering since it could be meant a few different ways.

[Confused77]

Spurrier- I know where speed is found as well... but the interesting thing about speed is sometimes you can't get it to show up for more than a year or 2 as walston stated. Of course there is also the occasional difficulties of getting speed admitted into school as well..

[Willie University]

Spurrier- I know where speed is found as well... but the interesting thing about speed is sometimes you can't get it to show up for more than a year or 2 as walston stated. Of course there is also the occasional difficulties of getting speed admitted into school as well..

Quit kidding yourself. All of the IIAC schools including loras have admitted student-athletes that aren't considered the "standard" as far as admittance is concerned. Every college has "academic support or academic success" centers, remedial courses, and "probation" type programs available for these students that do get admitted. The only college in Iowa that will probably not admit the type of student-athletes all the IIAC schools are recruiting is Grinnell. And this has nothing to do with where they are from---there are just as many boneheads in Iowa as there are in Florida. Although, as a whole the education system in Iowa is much better. The state schools don't really count since they aren't really reruiting the same type of athletes however, I would be willing to bet charlie kohawks kupcake that the "big" schools have admitted athletes that have barely passed NCAA regulations and turned away non athlete students with similar credentials and come up with justifiable reasons why.

Willie U

[Willie University]

Charlie,

Speak when spoken too.

The end.
Willie U

Mega Karma from me Willie.
One statement I would like clarified. You mentioned several IIAC schools have tried recruiting Florida and haven't been as successful. I know Wartburg tried and got several kids that played. Had some discipline problems, not showing up in shape problems, maybe showing up 2 years, but not 3 problems. Anyway enough problems to the point that its not worth the trip anymore.
I would like to have your statement about not being as successful. If you mean getting the kids to school, I'd probably disagree just knowing the Wartburg had no problem that I'm aware of getting the kids to school. If you mean keeping the kids in school I'd agree with you statement, although it may be a numbers issue too. If it is a success on the field reference, than I would have to disagree as well. Just wondering since it could be meant a few different ways.

WH- Expansion on my statement. Wartburg has dabbled and been more successful then other colleges in the IIAC at recruiting Florida kids. But, I was just using florida as an examle with DF2004. There are many other states with speed as well. However, I disagree about the discipline problems, etc... every IIAC football team starts the year with more players then they finish with regardless of where they are from for all the same reasons you mentioned above. Being that wartburg had smaller numbers from out of state, maybe the types of kids they recruited weren't the best as far as the situations you mentioned but as a whole, I know UD doesn't have those same types of issues anymore then any other program.

Willie U

[Confused77]

Willie- I am not kidding myself. I know the standards are bent for athletes. Just stating that all this world beating speed is tough to keep in school. Whether it is because of grades, homesickness, the cold, it doesn't matter...it doesn't always stick around for one reason or another.

[Charlie Kohawk]

Charlie,

Speak when spoken too.

The end.
Willie U

Does this count, Willie?

P.S. I'll say what I want, when I want.

[Willie University]

Charlie,

Speak when spoken too.

The end.
Willie U

Does this count, Willie?

P.S. I'll say what I want, when I want.

Relax big shooter, we all know you will, when you will, how you will, what you will, why you will and none of it WILL really amount to much other then COE is the almighty, no other school can compare and I, charlie kohawk, who never played college football, know it all.

Keep it coming kupcake

Willie U