FB: American Rivers Conference

sportsknight · June 13, 2007, 11:15:43 PM

If he had just a little bit more experience at the college level, I'd think that Wartburg alum and current Iowa O-Line coach Reece Morgan might be a very good pick-up for the Bulldogs.

davedevine · June 13, 2007, 11:23:59 PM

Do people really think Drake is that good of a job? I don't see it..

If I'm not mistaken, I think I read where there's only 19 schools left in their D1AA Non-Scholarship league?
I think it would be at best a lateral move if not a step down from the Central or Wartburg's. Obviously it would be a good starting place for an asst coach, but I can't imagine that AD is getting many successful college head coaches knocking down the door.

I would love if drake played WB and Central every other year to see how it would pan out. I'd much rather see that than Wisconsin White-Water or Augsburg.

Drake also has Zero business playing UNI & W. Illinois except for the cash they receive to show up and get pounded on. Hopefully it's enough $$ to keep their training room fully equipped after those massive beatings.

BoBo · June 14, 2007, 12:02:49 AM

Quote from: davedevine on June 13, 2007, 11:23:59 PM
I would love if drake played WB and Central every other year to see how it would pan out. I'd much rather see that than Wisconsin White-Water or Augsburg.

davedevine, that's Wisconsin-Whitewater, you have a misplaced hyphen.

Pat Coleman · June 14, 2007, 12:04:21 AM

Central would beat Drake 9.9 times out of 10.

Alfredeneumann · June 14, 2007, 07:32:22 AM

SK,
With 7 years @ Iowa, I think R. Mogan is more than qualified for the Drake job. Wouldn't it be a lateral move @ best. Also would he want to move after 15+ years living in IC?

W. Hoover - Did Dowling play Roosevelt @ Drake (Roosevelt's home field now) last season? I could see it being a fun place to play when there would be 2 good teams.

dutchfan1 · June 14, 2007, 09:59:31 AM

Quote from: davedevine on June 13, 2007, 11:23:59 PM
I would love if drake played WB and Central every other year to see how it would pan out. I'd much rather see that than Wisconsin White-Water or Augsburg.

I think it would turn into a contest between Wartburg and Central -- who could beat them worse....reminiscent of the days when we all did that to Billy Penn.....

sc_stormchaser · June 14, 2007, 09:59:50 AM

First, let me say that I'm a huge IIAC fan, but Pat's crazy if he thinks Central or any other IIAC school would beat Drake 99% of the time. I try to get to as many Simpson games as I can, but I have gone to a few Drake games the past few years. As anyone else watched recent IIAC games and Drake games to get an accurate comparison? I would like to hear what your think.

Dave- how's Drake getting pounded by true I-AA schools any different than those same schools playing up and getting drilled by DI schools? Also, Drake has 8 teams in their league and I'm pretty sure most of the remaining schools in their division are the Ivy League schools, along with some independents. That division was never very large.

As for the Drake opening, I think it would be a step up for most DIII head coaches. The two top coaches in the league last year are now at Stanford and Montana State.

DutchFan2004 · June 14, 2007, 12:08:02 PM

Stormchaser,

With a successful D3 coach don't you think that say a Coach Schipper could have gone to those two schools. If Coach Mac from Central keeps up the winning ways don't you think that he could go to a lower level D1 program from there. I see Drake as a lateral position with D3 schools. The kids they both recruit don't get an athletic scholarship.

Pat is pretty well informed but I think that 99% winning against Drake would be over sited. I do think that Central or Wartburg would be better than 50% I have never seen Drake play but I think that the kids that are recruited by Central and Wartburg have equal talent as Drake and from what I have seen I think the coaches at both schools are quality coaches.

I will even throw in Coe in that mix as far as talent. Coe has had some pretty good players as well.

sc_stormchaser · June 14, 2007, 02:04:45 PM

Obviously Schipper is a legendary coach, but to go from Central to a Pac-Ten school as the head coach is a bit of a stretch. In my opinion, Stanford would have been less likely to hire Harbaugh if he had been at a D3 school. In fact, I bet it wouldn't have happened. I wonder if that has ever happened - head coach at a D3 straight to head coach at a D1. Doesn't seem likely, but I really don't know. Anyone?

Yes, they are both non-scholarship, but I still see it has a step up. All of the schools in the league play D1 athletics, with the exception of football. Nationally, more people will recognize the teams in the Pioneer League then in the IIAC. More exposure, plain and simple. The brand of football might not be a huge jump, but from the coaching aspect I think it would be bigger jump.

sportsknight · June 14, 2007, 02:26:05 PM

Quote from: Alfredeneumann on June 14, 2007, 07:32:22 AM
SK,
With 7 years @ Iowa, I think R. Mogan is more than qualified for the Drake job. Wouldn't it be a lateral move @ best. Also would he want to move after 15+ years living in IC?

Cripes, I didn't realize he'd been there that long. I thought it was more like 4 or 5 years, but looks like I was off.

That said, I still say this would be a bit more than a lateral move for him. Yes, he's coaching in one of CFB's power conferences, but he is a position coach. Is the Drake job as much of a move up as becoming a coordinator at a B10, B12, SEC or ACC school? Not even close. But its still a move up.

Pat Coleman · June 14, 2007, 04:54:18 PM

I base this on UW-Platteville beating Drake two years in a row, in years Platteville was a combined 4-10 in the WIAC. If Drake is significantly better than it was two years ago then I'll lower the percentage a bit but if Drake can't consistently beat the bottom feeders in the WIAC then it can't consistently beat the top of the IIAC either.

sc_stormchaser · June 14, 2007, 05:14:53 PM

Pat- your basis is on the '03 and '04 seasons. That's fine...I'll take the last two seasons. Drake beat UW-Platteville by a combined 51 points. As I was looking at Platteville's scores from last year I noticed only two teams beat them by 4 touchdowns - Whitewater and Drake. All of the other games were relatively close. In fact, UW-P beat Dubuque by 14 in week one and then lost to Drake by 4 touchdowns.

Pat Coleman · June 14, 2007, 08:16:26 PM

I understand that. One of those years, you neglected to mention, Platteville was 1-9, 0-7.

Floyd in Iowa City · June 15, 2007, 11:22:30 AM

An article on the school website about Luther's trip to Germany:

http://sports.luther.edu/men/football/season-2007/News/europetrip.html

Whoever wrote the article had the nerve to actually say that the Norse are now undefeated in international play in football! Anyway, there is some sort of story and some photos attached.

DutchHawk · June 15, 2007, 06:09:16 PM

I think Pat is right on as far as Central/Wartburg beating Drake 99% of the time. He knows his stuff. This may be a double point but I believe both of the top school in the IIAC have superior talent to no only Drake but most of that league.

Maybe stormchaser is just upset Simpson wasn't thrown in there for beating Drake...